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All the goods games will be held in Dublin, Belfast and possibly Cardiff, looking at rwc 2015 nearly all the attractive games are in London and Cardiff, Dubarry Park is in the middle of a residual area, there would be parking issues, traffic etc, plus the would not have the space to really increase there capacity sufficiently. Roscommon town is more central then athlone. The probably wont give any game to the Midlands in any case.

Just on a geographical point, how is roscommon town more central than Athlone?

square_ball_69 (Westmeath) - Posts: 826 - 14/12/2014 12:12:42    1678432

lads so many here are ignoring the facts.

First of all the Rugby Union wants to end countries sharing the WC. They want the whole we'll give you a vote for a few games to stop.
The IRFU have publicly stated this is all or nothing. They along with the governments both North and South are not spending a sh*t load of money just so Wales can rob 3 or 4 lucrative matches off us. ANd as I said the world union doesn't want that anymore.

Secondly the number of GAA stadiums being used is not 5 (lol) but 7,8 or 9. Croke Park for the semi's and final, Casement if it's done up, Pairc Ui Chaoimh, Gaelic Grounds Limerick, McHale Park, Galway City Gaelic Grounds, Semple Stadium thurles. That's 8 GAA grounds that they want to put forward. Killarney is rumoured to be going into the bid as well and it's capacity is around 40k and rumoured to be increased (what a waste of money if true). So that would be 9 stadiums most of which would get upgrades mainly spectator facilities, big screens and media facilities.

Other likely venues would be Nowlan Park, Celtic Park Derry or Roscommons stadium if the upgrades they've got planned are major. None of these have been mentioned but there are rumours they will need one more stadium and they make sense. These venues will be considered and not pointless temporary improvements to a Rugby ground like Dubarry park.

Jack_Goff (Meath) - Posts: 2920 - 14/12/2014 16:47:31    1678459

12/12/2014 20:39:44 ROS1
All the goods games will be held in Dublin, Belfast and possibly Cardiff, looking at rwc 2015 nearly all the attractive games are in London and Cardiff, Dubarry Park is in the middle of a residual area, there would be parking issues, traffic etc, plus the would not have the space to really increase there capacity sufficiently. Roscommon town is more central then athlone. The probably wont give any game to the Midlands in any case. There is going to be no games In Cardiff in an Irish hosted world cup. This is an Irish Bid, nothing more.
14/12/2014 10:26:23 GaryMc82
All the big games will of course go to the largest Cities, however I can understand that given the sheer mass of people for those games. However GAA championship has shown consistently that smaller games of 20-30,000 can be stages in almost every other county of Ireland. We make do, temporary car parks are opened, stewarts are drafted in.
The only major sticking point for hosting International games in smaller towns or remote locations, would be us having potentially 20,000 International fans arriving to watch the games. And this would require substancial hotel/B&B/Campsite capacity, and a well drilled temporary transport method between each host town and the Large cities. Perhaps combining counties to support a venue, would make hosting the event possible.
Dublin, Belfast, Cork, and Limerick seem already sure of hosting, with total of 11 or 12 venues required.
I would like to see the following 5 regions combine to support a host venue each.
North West region (Derry, Donegal, Tyrone, Fermanagh)
Southern Leinster region (Carlow, Kilkenny, Wexford, Wicklow)
Connacht West region (Galway, Mayo, Sligo)
North Midlands (Leitrim, Roscommon, Longford, Cavan, Monaghan, Louth)
Southern Midlands (Offaly, Laois, Kildare, Meath, Westmeath)
Ireland as a whole has a lot to offer, and if every region has a part to play, It would truely feel like an All Ireland bid.GaryMc82 nice idea but will never happen. Each region would have a part to play in an Irish hosted world cup in teams basing themselves in certain areas, training camps, etc etc. Fans going on tourist trips to areas where there is no games like New Zealand would almost certainly in an Irish hosted world cup spend some time in Donegal considering Dave Gallaher who captained the Originals new Zealand team that toured here in 1905 and were unbeaten on that tour was from Ramelton. But you are not going to see games regionalised like that

ormondbannerman (Clare) - Posts: 13473 - 14/12/2014 20:02:55    1678483

14/12/2014 16:47:31 Jack_Goff
lads so many here are ignoring the facts.
First of all the Rugby Union wants to end countries sharing the WC. They want the whole we'll give you a vote for a few games to stop.
The IRFU have publicly stated this is all or nothing. They along with the governments both North and South are not spending a sh*t load of money just so Wales can rob 3 or 4 lucrative matches off us. ANd as I said the world union doesn't want that anymore.
Secondly the number of GAA stadiums being used is not 5 (lol) but 7,8 or 9. Croke Park for the semi's and final, Casement if it's done up, Pairc Ui Chaoimh, Gaelic Grounds Limerick, McHale Park, Galway City Gaelic Grounds, Semple Stadium thurles. That's 8 GAA grounds that they want to put forward. Killarney is rumoured to be going into the bid as well and it's capacity is around 40k and rumoured to be increased (what a waste of money if true). So that would be 9 stadiums most of which would get upgrades mainly spectator facilities, big screens and media facilities.
Other likely venues would be Nowlan Park, Celtic Park Derry or Roscommons stadium if the upgrades they've got planned are major. None of these have been mentioned but there are rumours they will need one more stadium and they make sense. These venues will be considered and not pointless temporary improvements to a Rugby ground like Dubarry park. Where have you seen World Rugby don't want shared hosting bids anymore. I know Dubarry Park isn't going to be used but it would be ahead of some of the GAA grounds on basis its a rugby ground

ormondbannerman (Clare) - Posts: 13473 - 14/12/2014 20:03:18    1678484

Clones would be a good shout too, very good complex near by too

MonaghanGlory (Monaghan) - Posts: 738 - 14/12/2014 20:43:12    1678495

14/12/2014 20:43:12
MonaghanGlory
Clones would be a good shout too, very good complex near by too Wont be used. town too small. travel etc not good enough.

ormondbannerman (Clare) - Posts: 13473 - 14/12/2014 21:51:30    1678505

Dubarry park!!!!!! I heard some outlandish claims here but that is easily the best. A fine ail ground alright but your average gaa club would be the same. It'll be held where the best grounds, facilities for crowds and where the Taoiseach, minister for finance and the minister for sport are from. This is Ireland after all and politics will make sure it'll never achieve it's full potential.

Bain (Donegal) - Posts: 470 - 14/12/2014 21:51:36    1678506

14/12/2014 21:51:36
Bain
Dubarry park!!!!!! I heard some outlandish claims here but that is easily the best. A fine ail ground alright but your average gaa
club would be the same. It'll be held where the best grounds, facilities for crowds and where the Taoiseach, minister for finance
and the minister for sport are from. This is Ireland after all and politics will make sure it'll never achieve it's full potential I used as to highlight the ridiculous of some proposed venues.
Its more than a decent AIL ground and is it really the same as the average club gaa ground?
Games wont be played there
Minister for Sport is irrelevant as is Taoiseach. Where theyre from wont play any part in decision as to grounds being used

ormondbannerman (Clare) - Posts: 13473 - 15/12/2014 11:53:27    1678548

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14/12/2014 20:43:12
MonaghanGlory
Clones would be a good shout too, very good complex near by too Wont be used. town too small. travel etc not good enough.

Wouldn't shoot the idea down yet, I don't think the travel would suit anyone if it was in Clones it would suit counties up here, if it was in Clare it would suit counties around Clare,
So where do you have it ?

MonaghanGlory (Monaghan) - Posts: 738 - 15/12/2014 21:21:29    1678735

14/12/2014 20:43:12 MonaghanGlory
Clones would be a good shout too, very good complex near by too
ormondbannerman
Wont be used. town too small. travel etc not good enough.
15/12/2014 21:21:29 MonaghanGlory
Wouldn't shoot the idea down yet, I don't think the travel would suit anyone if it was in Clones it would suit counties up here, if it was in Clare it would suit counties around Clare,
So where do you have it? As a world cup venue Clones wouldn't be any good. It doesn't have sufficient facilities surrounding it and as this thread is about the world cup my point was perfectly relevant.

ormondbannerman (Clare) - Posts: 13473 - 15/12/2014 21:36:46    1678738

Yes so if Clones is not good enough then where is in Ulster ?

MonaghanGlory (Monaghan) - Posts: 738 - 15/12/2014 21:47:44    1678741

Would agree Gary, squareball roscommon town is nearer to the central point in Ireland then Athlone. Ormond the Welsh will demand games in Cardiff for there votes as the have done in every world cup.

ros1 (Roscommon) - Posts: 1211 - 15/12/2014 22:00:34    1678744

It would be a real lost chance if some games were not played in all regions of the country. I would play games in Derry, Sligo, Kilkenny, Killarney and one in the Midlands either Roscommon or Tullamore. It would be much better then having 3 venues in Dublin or Belfast or 2 venues in Cork or Limerick.

ros1 (Roscommon) - Posts: 1211 - 16/12/2014 21:47:08    1678977

Limericks's Gaelic Grounds will have to be included. The Mackey Stand needs to be demolished and the 2023 World Cup would provide a great opportunity to do this and build a new modern stand with a bar and restaurant and meeting rooms.

record (Limerick) - Posts: 129 - 18/12/2014 09:45:12    1679247

Why would the Gaelic Grounds be included -

1. Croke Park
2. Thurles
3. Aviva
4. New Cork
5. New Casement
6. Ravenhill
7. Thomand
8. salthill ( but would need a major improvement) -but Galway should be represented
9. Athletic Grounds

That is it.
But Omagh/Newry would be unfortunate to be left out


So. Dublin x2, Belfast x2, Cork x 1 Derry x 1 Limerick x1, Galway x 1 Armagh x1

cuchulainn35 (Armagh) - Posts: 1676 - 18/12/2014 12:32:45    1679286

15/12/2014 22:00:34
ROS1
Would agree Gary, squareball roscommon town is nearer to the central point in Ireland then Athlone. Ormond the Welsh will demand games in Cardiff for there votes as the have done in every world cup. Athlone is only about 8kilometres from centre point of Ireland which is in county Roscommon.
Welsh may look for games for their vote but everything has been planned as an Irish only bid and Ireland have enough politicking and should be able to win without the welsh getting a game. World cup in 2011 would have been in Japan but a deal done between NZ and Ireland changed vote of irfu to NZ from Japan and countless other deals
16/12/2014 21:47:08 ROS1
It would be a real lost chance if some games were not played in all regions of the country. I would play games in Derry, Sligo, Kilkenny, Killarney and one in the Midlands either Roscommon or Tullamore. It would be much better then having 3 venues in Dublin or Belfast or 2 venues in Cork or Limerick.You need the bigger stadiums and Dublin/Belfast will definitely have at least 2 each as the major population sources and best venues
Limerick will have Thomond and Gaelic Grounds is also likely to be used as big venue, close to Shannon airport,
18/12/2014 12:32:45 cuchulainn35
Why would the Gaelic Grounds be included -
1. Croke Park 2. Thurles 3. Aviva 4. New Cork 5. New Casement 6. Ravenhill 7. Thomand 8. salthill ( but would need a major improvement) -but Galway should be represented
9. Athletic Grounds That is it.
But Omagh/Newry would be unfortunate to be left out
So. Dublin x2, Belfast x2, Cork x 1 Derry x 1 Limerick x1, Galway x 1 Armagh x1 Why do you think Thurles will be used? Big stadium but doesn't have anywhere near enough hotels in Thurles etc to be used. Gaelic Grounds is big ground, in a city close to airport etc
Omagh/Newry wouldn't be unfortunate to be left out. And you will need more than 9 grounds to be used in total

ormondbannerman (Clare) - Posts: 13473 - 18/12/2014 13:03:46    1679293

cuchailann

thurles is not being put forward it seems probably due to the surrounding area of the stadium
you missed out rds will be put forward
so only 3 rugby stadiums will be used it seems thomond, aviva and ravenhill.


ormond

gaelic grounds you stated before would not be used as its a poor ground and thomond is far better
are you doing a u turn now?

hill16no1man (Dublin) - Posts: 12665 - 18/12/2014 13:37:10    1679305

Athletic grounds ahead of St.Tiarnachs Park... yeah

MonaghanGlory (Monaghan) - Posts: 738 - 18/12/2014 14:56:06    1679327

yes he's doing a turn.

Limerick the self proclaimed Rugby city will be getting 2 venues. Will be a great atmosphere around the city with double the games. They'd be made to use thomond only when you have the GAA grounds with a 45k capacity.

Thurles has been put forward as a possible stadium. Tipperary is a big county with many towns and a decent Rugby following. They will want a few big matches in the center of munster. Dunbarry park is a non runner and will not happen. They should be look to use Omagh or Armagh city for a smaller venue. It's not fair that Belfast will have the only 2 venues used in the bid, but that's N! politics for you. NI should be looking for 2 in belfast, and at least 1 outside of Belfast.

Jack_Goff (Meath) - Posts: 2920 - 18/12/2014 19:19:08    1679379

Ormond without splitting hairs athlone is 12.5km away according to Google maps, Hyde Park is by far and away the closest suitable ground to the middle point. I would still have 2 grounds in Dublin, 2 in Belfast, 1 in Galway, I in Limerick and 1 in Cork along with the five grounds i mentioned. 9 of those grounds with some work in some cases are capable of holding more then 25k people, while the remaining 3 are capable of holding 18.5k or more plenty big enough. Only 5 of the venues in rwc 2011 were over 26k. From a tourist point of view it is important that Sligo and Killarney are included, i don't see how it would make sense to have 2 games in Limerick and none in Derry a bigger city, plus northern Ireland would demand at least 3 grounds which is fair enough. I think this would be the best balanced plan, there is alot of games you are not going to need a 35k stadium for. You never know what back room deals are done but Italy would have to be favourites to beat us, i think the reason Nz won was the Oceania rep went against his members wishes and voted for nz for whatever reason.

ros1 (Roscommon) - Posts: 1211 - 18/12/2014 20:39:16    1679404