Orm: You don't know an yes the GAA are in the position of power and everything so far looks like GAA are in agreement with the bid
Why do you think it would be wise for the GAA to look for funding for those grounds?? They will get a lot of other grounds done up which will be used in the bid.

I know more than you on this evidently, as officials have named the likely venues. First of all they need at least 12 stadia and only 4 Rugby venues have been named by the IRFU. Windsor park not included yet anyway.

At least 8 GAA venues will be used and possibly a 9th. I am not expecting them to use either Navan, Drogheda, Aughrim or Newbridge for the Rugby world cup, lets make that clear. I'm saying that if the GAA are wise they would get some funding to bring these grounds up to the deserving standard. And they will never have such a position of power again for at least 20-30 years.

Jack_Goff (Meath) - Posts: 2920 - 08/12/2014 11:30:50    1677332

GaryMc, the First Minister in British ruled Ireland is from Derry! Take it up with him. No-one else cares.

hurlingdub (Dublin) - Posts: 6978 - 08/12/2014 12:22:32    1677351

Deputy First Minister, apologies. Seriously though, you can hardly give about west of the Bann being neglected when Shinners have about 350 MLAs from there :-)

hurlingdub (Dublin) - Posts: 6978 - 08/12/2014 12:32:42    1677356

Read the front page of the sunday times. Rumour had it the GAA have gotten a deal worth 10-12M to upgrade stadia not already listed for upgrades. I wonder what venues they will chose.

Jack_Goff (Meath) - Posts: 2920 - 08/12/2014 13:26:29    1677366

The Webb Ellis Cup is doing a world tour at the moment and it was at the grounds where I was with one of my kids training. Now there were some people there just to get a photo of themselves with the cup but before the could do that a guy came over the speakers and said, yes, you could get your photo taken but you could not touch the cup as the next person to touch the cup would be the captain of the world cup winning team. It made me laugh - call Indiana Jones, the holy grail has been found!

zinny (Wexford) - Posts: 1805 - 08/12/2014 14:04:48    1677372

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Deputy First Minister, apologies. Seriously though, you can hardly give about west of the Bann being neglected when Shinners have about 350 MLAs from there :-)

Seriously, I really can........check this out below.

The 6 counties are divided into 18 boundaries each of which has 6 MLA's, giving a grand total of 108 MLA's up North at present.
Of the 18 boundaries, only 6 are technically west of the Bann, meaning we have a representation of 36 MLA's versus 72 East of the Bann.

In this type of scenario ( Bidding for Rugby World Cup ) where party allegiance is Irrelevant, you get the 72 EAST MLA's easily winning out by a 2:1 majority on having Two hosting Stadiums in the East. So in this type of Situation, I am 100% correct in what I said about West of the Bann being neglected.

If we had no political border, the greater North Western region would certainly be more Influential in such matters. And we wouldn't see Ireland's 4th largest City completely bypassed for such a major event on our Island, while smaller Cities and towns on the Island get one or more Stadiums refurbished.

I am parochially biased on the matter, naturally. However as I stated earlier, I still support the competition coming to Ireland.

GaryMc82 (Derry) - Posts: 3017 - 09/12/2014 09:07:55    1677520

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Genuinely what is the population difference between West and East of the Bann?

MesAmis (Dublin) - Posts: 13718 - 09/12/2014 09:52:58    1677528

GaryMac82

Derry may be Ireland's 4th largest city, but I can't say it jumps to my mind when I think of 10 potential stadia for a RWC.

I know 4 rugby stadia are being considered and assume these are Aviva, Thomond, Ravenhill and possibly (complete guess) the RDS.

Croke Park will get the final and semi finals if we win the bid and so that leaves 5 other GAA grounds.

If this were the case, I feel Casement, Castlebar, Parc Ui Caoimh and 2 other would be most likely.

The Gaelic Grounds could miss out because of Thomond being in Limerick, but I don't think it will - capacity and proximity to Shannon would probably see it get a few games.

That leaves one with Celtic Park or the Brandywell lagging well behind Portlaoise, Tullamore, Breffni, Clones, Armagh, Pearse, Thurles or Killarney.

I could put forward a case for Breffni in that it has hosted an international rules match and Cavan hosted 120000+ people for 3 fleadh ceoils in recent years - but I would also consider some of the stadia I've listed as being more suitable.

cavanman47 (Cavan) - Posts: 5017 - 09/12/2014 13:54:43    1677589

GaryMc, if the Deputy First Minister is from Derry and doesn't fight its corner, you can hardly expect anyone else to! I do agree that Celtic Park would be a good venue, as would Ballybofey if both had a facelift with the money being talked on. Perhaps the chuckle brother did not want to offend the local soccer team!

hurlingdub (Dublin) - Posts: 6978 - 09/12/2014 14:21:10    1677599

Is this a GAA world cup or a RUGBY world cup ?

s goldrick (Cavan) - Posts: 5518 - 09/12/2014 14:57:10    1677611

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GaryMc, if the Deputy First Minister is from Derry and doesn't fight its corner, you can hardly expect anyone else to! I do agree that Celtic Park would be a good venue, as would Ballybofey if both had a facelift with the money being talked on. Perhaps the chuckle brother did not want to offend the local soccer team!

I have no doubt Martin would definitely be in favour of Derry hosting a game, as would every other Derry MLA. But his current position cannot veto a vote by the overall Assembly ( As far as I know ), which this certainly would end up being if he tried to block Belfast getting two host stadiums.

At the end of the day, I know It is what it is. But It clearly shows how badly partition has harmed the whole North West.

GaryMc82 (Derry) - Posts: 3017 - 09/12/2014 16:26:08    1677643

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Derry may be Ireland's 4th largest city, but I can't say it jumps to my mind when I think of 10 potential stadia for a RWC.


You have hit the nail on the head, Derry as a City just doesn't jump to mind. That is something that needs to be corrected.

Its larger in population than Limerick, Galway, Waterford and is closing in on Cork in terms of population. Yet friends of mine who was visiting from Galway for the first time last year were suprised how large the place really is. One of them admitted to always thinkin of it as a large town like Carlow or Castlebar.

Belfast International is only 1 hour 40 minutes up the road, and City of Derry airport is right here on our doorstep. We also have a train link to Belfast. And a superb bus network, both within the City and also Nationally.

Many people fly abroad on Holidays, and then travel an hour or 2 to their resort, yet here in Ireland, we think foreigners are lazy asses who want their plane to land under the Main stand of the Stadium. Not the case, a wee scenic trip would do them no harm.

GaryMc82 (Derry) - Posts: 3017 - 09/12/2014 16:54:07    1677656

There are basically three elements to choosing stadiums.
1. Population (likely turnout for matches)
2. Transport (airport/trains)
3. Existing stadium size
4. Hotel beds available (Rugby fans don't like the tent/campervan experience)

On this basis the stadiums will be as follows:

Croke Park
Aviva
Pairc Ui Caoimh
Casement Park
Ravenhill
Salthill
Thomond

The top four will host all matches between the Six nations and the rugby championship teams. The bottom 4 will get the games between the big teams and the cannon fodder. The real low grade fixtures where the competing countries will not bring many supporters might get distributed to provincial towns where the novelty of the event might bring out a crowd. So add in Castlebar, Killarney, Kilkenny or Portlaoise and one from Omagh/Clones/Cavan (likely to be Omagh to Keep the NI Government happy).

Using Next years Pool as a example:

Pool A (Eng/Wal/Aus/Fiji/Urug) would use Croke Park, Aviva, Portlaoise/Kilkenny (Fiji v Uruguay in Kilkenny)
Pool B (SA/Sco/Samoa/USA/JAP) would use Cork, Salthill, Castlebar (Japan v USA in Castlebar)
Pool C (NZ/Arg/Tonga/Nam/Geor) would use Casement, Ravenhill, Omagh (Namibia v Georgia in Omagh)
Pool D (Fra/Ire/Ita/Can/Rom) would use Croke Park, Limerick, Killarney (Canada v Romania in Killarney)

A different draw would change the layout slightly but the basic principles are the same. Kerrymen would hope to have the USA in Killarney for fear the Yanks would start going to another part of the country and not come back.

tirawleybaron (Mayo) - Posts: 1126 - 09/12/2014 18:27:25    1677686

09/12/2014 18:27:25 tirawleybaron
There are basically three elements to choosing stadiums.
1. Population (likely turnout for matches)
2. Transport (airport/trains)
3. Existing stadium size
4. Hotel beds available (Rugby fans don't like the tent/campervan experience)
On this basis the stadiums will be as follows:
Croke Park, Aviva, Pairc Ui Caoimh, Casement Park, Ravenhill, Salthill, Thomond
The top four will host all matches between the Six nations and the rugby championship teams. The bottom 4 will get the games between the big teams and the cannon fodder. The real low grade fixtures where the competing countries will not bring many supporters might get distributed to provincial towns where the novelty of the event might bring out a crowd. So add in Castlebar, Killarney, Kilkenny or Portlaoise and one from Omagh/Clones/Cavan (likely to be Omagh to Keep the NI Government happy).
Using Next years Pool as a example:
Pool A (Eng/Wal/Aus/Fiji/Urug) would use Croke Park, Aviva, Portlaoise/Kilkenny (Fiji v Uruguay in Kilkenny)
Pool B (SA/Sco/Samoa/USA/JAP) would use Cork, Salthill, Castlebar (Japan v USA in Castlebar)
Pool C (NZ/Arg/Tonga/Nam/Geor) would use Casement, Ravenhill, Omagh (Namibia v Georgia in Omagh)
Pool D (Fra/Ire/Ita/Can/Rom) would use Croke Park, Limerick, Killarney (Canada v Romania in Killarney)
A different draw would change the layout slightly but the basic principles are the same. Kerrymen would hope to have the USA in Killarney for fear the Yanks would start going to another part of the country and not come back. Good post but don't see how you can say rugby fans don't like campervan/tent experience. A huge amount did it in New Zealand in 2011 so if people had to do so again it wouldn't be an issue.
A few other things I could query but don't have time to do so now....

ormondbannerman (Clare) - Posts: 13473 - 09/12/2014 18:46:39    1677690

Roscommon getting a big redevelopment. Probably mostly funded by themselves though. Louth currently have a 3M plan to build a new stand on the grass bank at the side. The GAA really need to sort out the last few grounds in need of development.

Jack_Goff (Meath) - Posts: 2920 - 10/12/2014 21:10:46    1677924

Hopefully it goes ahead in Roscommon Jack, certainly if a venue in the middle of the country for the world cup then Hyde park is the most central pitch in the country.

ros1 (Roscommon) - Posts: 1211 - 10/12/2014 21:25:58    1677928

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Hopefully it goes ahead in Roscommon Jack, certainly if a venue in the middle of the country for the world cup then Hyde park is the most central pitch in the country. TBF wouldn't any of the grounds in Athlone not be the most central pitches in the country. Would be interesting if they looked at doing something temporary to Dubarry Park and then it was reduced after the world cup....

ormondbannerman (Clare) - Posts: 13473 - 11/12/2014 18:29:53    1678098

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Is this a GAA world cup or a RUGBY world cup ?


Not sure what you're getting at, but if you are suggesting the IRFU shouldn't use GAA stadia, just look at England 2015 - they have plenty of decent sized rugby stadia but are using Wembley, St James Park, the Olympic Stadium, Elland Road and a few more. .

It's the country's ability to host this, not just the organisations. You can't tell the IRFU that they must build their own airport and hotels for all the travelling fans, can you??

cavanman47 (Cavan) - Posts: 5017 - 11/12/2014 18:47:20    1678099

All the goods games will be held in Dublin, Belfast and possibly Cardiff, looking at rwc 2015 nearly all the attractive games are in London and Cardiff, Dubarry Park is in the middle of a residual area, there would be parking issues, traffic etc, plus the would not have the space to really increase there capacity sufficiently. Roscommon town is more central then athlone. The probably wont give any game to the Midlands in any case.

ros1 (Roscommon) - Posts: 1211 - 12/12/2014 20:39:44    1678336

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1678336 All the goods games will be held in Dublin, Belfast and possibly Cardiff, looking at rwc 2015 nearly all the attractive games are in London and Cardiff, Dubarry Park is in the middle of a residual area, there would be parking issues, traffic etc, plus the would not have the space to really increase there capacity sufficiently. Roscommon town is more central then athlone. The probably wont give any game to the Midlands in any case.

All the big games will of course go to the largest Cities, however I can understand that given the sheer mass of people for those games. However GAA championship has shown consistently that smaller games of 20-30,000 can be stages in almost every other county of Ireland. We make do, temporary car parks are opened, stewarts are drafted in.

The only major sticking point for hosting International games in smaller towns or remote locations, would be us having potentially 20,000 International fans arriving to watch the games. And this would require substancial hotel/B&B/Campsite capacity, and a well drilled temporary transport method between each host town and the Large cities. Perhaps combining counties to support a venue, would make hosting the event possible.

Dublin, Belfast, Cork, and Limerick seem already sure of hosting, with total of 11 or 12 venues required.

I would like to see the following 5 regions combine to support a host venue each.

North West region ( Derry, Donegal, Tyrone, Fermanagh )
Southern Leinster region ( Carlow, Kilkenny, Wexford, Wicklow )
Connacht West region ( Galway, Mayo, Sligo )
North Midlands ( Leitrim, Roscommon, Longford, Cavan, Monaghan, Louth )
Southern Midlands ( Offaly, Laois, Kildare, Meath, Westmeath )

Ireland as a whole has a lot to offer, and if every region has a part to play, It would truely feel like an All Ireland bid.

GaryMc82 (Derry) - Posts: 3017 - 14/12/2014 10:26:23    1678422