they will get it all because they have gone with the northern government so it will have the backing of england scotland and wales
and im sure france would rather play it here

hill16no1man (Dublin) - Posts: 12665 - 06/12/2014 13:34:25    1677064

@PoolSturgeon

The US and Canada are mounting a joint bid as far as I'm aware so won't get the full support from the US. South Africa are bidding to hold it as well but hopefully safety fears and the fact that they got the soccer world cup in 2010 will go against them.


Overall I don't think it's a bad thing at all and I can't see it doing any harm to the GAA. Young people aren't going to just turn their back on the GAA just because the world cup comes to town in another sport.

OgraAnDun (Down) - Posts: 406 - 06/12/2014 15:21:23    1677072

there are just over 50 rugby clubs in Ireland
I wouldn't be too worried about rugby
the biggest threat to the GAA is the GAA not providing a regular program of games to young players

valley84 (Westmeath) - Posts: 1890 - 06/12/2014 16:22:33    1677083

i welcome it..however i would charge a hefty price for the use of gaa facilities...would be suprised to see all of it hosted in ireland considering the french in 2007 took place in cardiff and scotland as well while the upcoming english 1 hosting some games in wales and both england and france have much better facilities than us

fabio8 (USA) - Posts: 2182 - 06/12/2014 16:25:46    1677084

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1677062
Rugby World Cup for Ireland great news great sporting news.
Celtic Park in Derry capacity to hold 20,000 plus would be an option !
We could have real multi-sport stadia throughout the country instead of wasting money on countless white-elephants.


Sadly as expected the greater North Western region will be excluded from this bid, despite having the 4th largest City on the Island of Ireland ( Derry City ), which is also surrounded by very large towns like Letterkenny, Coleraine, Strabane, Omagh, as well as countless other medium sized towns.

It's not a question of logistics, rather a question of politics.
In the North, While collectively Nationalists and Unionists support the All Ireland bid, collectively the majority of all parties would favor east of the Bann when choosing to host games.

Likewise in the South, Donegal is Isolated Politically and ultimately are the last to get anything. Hell Donegal don't have a railway or motorway, nor are they likely to have anytime soon.

This will be the case until Ireland's partition finally ends, which would change current political balance dramatically on the Island with the North West becoming a much more prominent region when it comes to the roll out of motorways, railways and everything else.

However that aside, It would be nice to see such a huge event come to these shores.

GaryMc82 (Derry) - Posts: 3017 - 06/12/2014 16:35:19    1677087

06/12/2014 10:13:28 Jack_Goff
Bid formerly announced and Croker set to host both semi's and the final. GAA said they will receive funding for 6 or 7 grounds. Some will get major work others very minor with things like a big screen added, media facilities etc. I didn't hear if the work planned for Casement and the Pairc in Cork are included in the 6 or 7. The GAA would be wise to get funding for grounds like Navan, Newbridge, Drogheda and Aughrim as part of the deal. Even if they won't be used because those 4 grounds are by far the worst in Leinster.
Anybody know the biggest threat to us in the bid? I'd guess a country like Russia or USA would be?
France, Australia and New Zealand surely out of the running given they had the last 3. South Africa have the facilities so hopefully they don't look for it.South Africa, US will probably be in the running. Pairc and Casement are included.
GAA wont get any funding for those grounds as part of the deal and shouldn't.

ormondbannerman (Clare) - Posts: 13473 - 07/12/2014 12:20:35    1677173

Ormo you don't know what the GAA will and won't get. They are in the position of power for this deal. Cork have gotten 30M from the Irish Govt and The Northern Executive is giving a lot of money in Belfast. Pretty much every other GAA stadium included in the bid except for Croker will get funding be it minor capacity upgrades, a face-lift, spectator facilities or media facilities.

They would be wise to push for public funding for grounds in wicklow, kildare, navan and louth. All 4 of these are falling down and if they're yapping about a 40k M50 stadium they obviously are expecting a lot of government grants in future. I say channel those grants to 4 counties surrounding Dublin instead of into Dublin for another white elephant.

And Hill16man yeah I agree they have themselves in a good position. Should get support from ENgland, Scotland, Wales, France. New Zealand I believe will back us too. Talk of Wales blackmailing us for a few games like they always do in return for a vote, but if it's all or nothing they will rather play an hours flight away then travel to the other side of the world.

Jack_Goff (Meath) - Posts: 2920 - 07/12/2014 12:59:24    1677179

While i would like to see us win i cannot see it happening, I cant see where our support his going to come outside England, Scotland and Wales. What i could see happening is the world cup been given to South Africa in 2023, Italy 2027, Argentina 2031, France 2035, Us/Canada 2039 and Aus/nz 2043. Someone mentioned security fears in South Africa but if the can hold a much larger event like the soccer world cup the hold this.

ros1 (Roscommon) - Posts: 1211 - 07/12/2014 14:09:45    1677202

I dont know the voting politics involved but it seems to me that most decisions on rugby matters are decided by the first tier countries ie England, Scotland, Wales, Ireland, France, New Zealand, Australia, and South Africa. My sense is that the other 2 -- Argentina and Italy -- do not have much clout, being as they are " Johnny come lately's" to the inner circle. This is why I think Ireland are favourites to be awarded it. It seems to me the US and Canada, as 2nd tier countries, have very little power to influence. Of course the rugby government bodies want to expand the appeal of rugby in the US, but I dont think this is an immediate priority. The US public at large are generally ignorant about rugby and are not going to care about a World Cup being staged there. I dont envisage Washington getting massively behind the US/Canadian bid either. For me all the signs point to the Irish bid being successful.

PoolSturgeon (Galway) - Posts: 1904 - 07/12/2014 19:25:27    1677251

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I stated almost a year ago, that this bid was basically already a certain success. The bulk of the Northern Hemisphere European bodies will back Ireland, as will probably 1 or 2 of the Southern Hemisphere countries.

I had Issues with Casement Park soaking up a full £70 million stg, as this would easily develop 2 or 3 GAA stadiums. Clearly the English were giving this money with an eye on having a Rugby World cup on their doorstep.

I'm disappointed that the GAA and particularly the Ulster GAA hadn't the balls to stare down the British, as they would get the money regardless of where the Ulster Stadium is situated. Anybody not familiar with modern day Northern politics, basically what one crowd get, the other half have to get also. So If Ravenhill/Windsor Park get £70mil, then Ulster GAA were going to get that also. Knowing this, I would have made a strong argument for a more logistically sound location for all 9 counties of Ulster. Why sell your soul for a money??

GaryMc82 (Derry) - Posts: 3017 - 07/12/2014 19:53:14    1677260

If South Africa, Italy and Argentina can come to a agreement we could be left out in the cold with only England, Scotland and Wales supporting us which would amount to 8 votes out of 28 votes. Argentina and Italy are due to get the same status as us but i don't know if this will be done before the vote. There seems to be an appetite to expand the game as can be seen by Japan winning the 2019 rights and giving the world cup to the 3 countries i mentioned would achieve that a lot more then giving it to Ireland. Plus with the World cup been held just before the vote so near Ireland there will be a big temptation not to have it so close so soon again.

ros1 (Roscommon) - Posts: 1211 - 07/12/2014 20:31:44    1677270

06/12/2014 10:37:19 witnof
Jack Pairc and Casement included.
Argentina maybe the biggest threat. They will argue that it cannot simply Go to an Anglophone country every 8 years. They have the facilities in place already si nô major investirent required. They can when the major rugby playing nations control the vote and Ireland can pull strings etc
06/12/2014 13:11:42 IssacBall
Rugby World Cup for Ireland great news great sporting news.
Celtic Park in Derry capacity to hold 20,000 plus would be an option !
We could have real multi-sport stadia throughout the country instead of wasting money on countless white-elephants. Wouldn't be so sure on Celtic Park. Dublin x 2/3, Limerick x 2, Cork x 1/2, Belfast x 2 and another 2 stadiums.

ormondbannerman (Clare) - Posts: 13473 - 07/12/2014 20:45:02    1677274

06/12/2014 13:30:19 rcarragh
9 years of listening to stories about the rubgy world cup. I feel ill already. That would be tough but how will you feel about 9 years of listening to stories about the rugby world cup....
06/12/2014 13:34:25 hill16no1man
they will get it all because they have gone with the northern government so it will have the backing of england scotland and wales
and im sure france would rather play it here Doing a deal with the Northern Government doesn't mean bid wouldn't have backing of Eng/Sco/Wal. Likely to have that already due to the way rugby politicking works...

06/12/2014 15:21:23 OgraAnDun
@PoolSturgeon The US and Canada are mounting a joint bid as far as I'm aware so won't get the full support from the US. South Africa are bidding to hold it as well but hopefully safety fears and the fact that they got the soccer world cup in 2010 will go against them.

Overall I don't think it's a bad thing at all and I can't see it doing any harm to the GAA. Young people aren't going to just turn their back on the GAA just because the world cup comes to town in another sport. Don't see why South Africa having hosted the soccer world cup would go against them.

ormondbannerman (Clare) - Posts: 13473 - 07/12/2014 20:52:36    1677278

06/12/2014 16:22:33 valley84
there are just over 50 rugby clubs in Ireland
I wouldn't be too worried about rugby
the biggest threat to the GAA is the GAA not providing a regular program of games to young players There is a lot more than 50 rugby clubs in Ireland. Where did you pull that figure from?

06/12/2014 16:25:46 fabio8
i welcome it..however i would charge a hefty price for the use of gaa facilities...would be suprised to see all of it hosted in ireland considering the french in 2007 took place in cardiff and scotland as well while the upcoming english 1 hosting some games in wales and both england and france have much better facilities than us The price will be fair. The French in 2007 gave games away for votes. That is only reason way. English have games in Cardiff as Cardiff is so close to some of the real big rugby areas in England which don't have a stadium already

ormondbannerman (Clare) - Posts: 13473 - 07/12/2014 20:55:19    1677279

07/12/2014 12:59:24 Jack_Goff
Ormo you don't know what the GAA will and won't get. They are in the position of power for this deal. Cork have gotten 30M from the Irish Govt and The Northern Executive is giving a lot of money in Belfast. Pretty much every other GAA stadium included in the bid except for Croker will get funding be it minor capacity upgrades, a face-lift, spectator facilities or media facilities.
They would be wise to push for public funding for grounds in wicklow, kildare, navan and louth. All 4 of these are falling down and if they're yapping about a 40k M50 stadium they obviously are expecting a lot of government grants in future. I say channel those grants to 4 counties surrounding Dublin instead of into Dublin for another white elephant.
And Hill16man yeah I agree they have themselves in a good position. Should get support from ENgland, Scotland, Wales, France. New Zealand I believe will back us too. Talk of Wales blackmailing us for a few games like they always do in return for a vote, but if it's all or nothing they will rather play an hours flight away then travel to the other side of the world. You don't know an yes the GAA are in the position of power and everything so far looks like GAA are in agreement with the bid
Why do you think it would be wise for the GAA to look for funding for those grounds?? They will get a lot of other grounds done up which will be used in the bid.

ormondbannerman (Clare) - Posts: 13473 - 07/12/2014 20:58:15    1677280

07/12/2014 14:09:45 ROS1
While i would like to see us win i cannot see it happening, I cant see where our support his going to come outside England, Scotland and Wales. What i could see happening is the world cup been given to South Africa in 2023, Italy 2027, Argentina 2031, France 2035, Us/Canada 2039 and Aus/nz 2043. Someone mentioned security fears in South Africa but if the can hold a much larger event like the soccer world cup the hold this. Why don't you see other countries than our "triple crown" rivals backing us?
For what reasons do you not see other countries backing us?

ormondbannerman (Clare) - Posts: 13473 - 07/12/2014 21:01:03    1677283

07/12/2014 19:25:27 PoolSturgeon
I dont know the voting politics involved but it seems to me that most decisions on rugby matters are decided by the first tier countries ie England, Scotland, Wales, Ireland, France, New Zealand, Australia, and South Africa. My sense is that the other 2 -- Argentina and Italy -- do not have much clout, being as they are " Johnny come lately's" to the inner circle. This is why I think Ireland are favourites to be awarded it. It seems to me the US and Canada, as 2nd tier countries, have very little power to influence. Of course the rugby government bodies want to expand the appeal of rugby in the US, but I dont think this is an immediate priority. The US public at large are generally ignorant about rugby and are not going to care about a World Cup being staged there. I dont envisage Washington getting massively behind the US/Canadian bid either. For me all the signs point to the Irish bid being successful. Argentina and Italy still have plenty of clout. They like the rest have 2 votes for big decisions. US and Canada don't have huge power in terms of decisions but are huge tv markets etc and earning potential is huge. US are in general ignorant enough but if done right, like the recent US v NZ game in Soldiers Field can get the attention of a lot of americans

ormondbannerman (Clare) - Posts: 13473 - 07/12/2014 21:05:09    1677284

Americans though only get interested in a sport when they become good at it and think they have a chance of becoming the best. I think a lot more work needs to be done to improve the quality of the game in the US before a World Cup there would truly capture the imagination of the public. If the US team were knocked out in the first round that would be the end of the American public's interest in it!

PoolSturgeon (Galway) - Posts: 1904 - 07/12/2014 21:33:19    1677291

Ormond i don't know if Italy/Argentina have the same voting power yet it is planned the will thou. If Italy, Argentina and South Africa are all bidding for it, i cannot see where our support will come from. For the 2023 tournament it is very likely that South Africa will get the tournament as it needs to be in a traditional rugby country after Japan and 2023 will be 12 years from the last southern hemisphere tournament, then the 2027 tournament will probably be back in Europe where i think there will be a good case for the Italian bid to help develop rugby in that country, then Argentina in 2031 to help develop rugby there and it is expected the soccer world cup will be there in 2030 so the will have the stadium. For the development of rugby there is a lot more benefit for the rwc to be held in these countries rather then Ireland and that is why i think we will not get the votes.

ros1 (Roscommon) - Posts: 1211 - 07/12/2014 21:59:10    1677296

So a bunch of fat middle class boys are looking to come over here in 2023 to throw their ball backwards. Sounds like a blast

srb (Antrim) - Posts: 344 - 08/12/2014 10:12:41    1677317