That's all lies lads....Kildare and Mayo will dominate football for the next ten years......

Dublin and Kerry supporters are like bald men fighting over a hairbrush!!! ;-)

JayP (Dublin) - Posts: 1772 - 29/10/2013 21:35:57    1507288

Haha...

jimbodub (Dublin) - Posts: 20600 - 29/10/2013 21:37:34    1507290

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County: Dublin
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Haha...

Run out of ways to change your story is it?

moomoo (Kerry) - Posts: 4023 - 29/10/2013 21:42:14    1507291

I'm not changing my story moomoo

You just misunderstood. I merely had to explain to you what I meant

Cork have had more success at underage over that period... Kerry haven't been at successful at underage for quite some time.

THAT MEANS WINNING THINGS.

You can proudly boast all the 1/4 finals and semi finals you want...

That's not the point. Now I hope that clears that up for you :)

Business end meant winning things... that's where your confusion has come from

It's not lies on my part. It's the truth.

Your senior club scene has failed to deliver an All Ireland title since... bloody hell it must be close to 20 years or even more

When speaking about club success that's what I was talking about...

This is about players that are available to replace Toms O'Se / Paul Galvin / Aidan O'Mahony / Eoin Brosnan/ Marc O'Se

How many of those intermediate and Juniour clubs have players currently capable of replacing such players?

That's the point man... that's the point that Pat Spillane made and I echoed his own words.

I'm merely agreeing with your fellow Kerry man.

I presume so that you very much disagree with him.

jimbodub (Dublin) - Posts: 20600 - 29/10/2013 21:58:08    1507296

@ Jimbodub

I'm not disagreeing with you because I myself am a little concerned for the talent coming through the ranks in Kerry. I don't think it is anywhere near as bad as you are making it out to be though. One point that you are emphasizing is the lack of Senior club success coming from Kerry. Last year out of the 30 man panel for Kerry 14 players represented senior clubs. And this is actually quite a large number it used to be less as far as I remember. The O'Se's play for intermediate club. Declan O'Sullivan's club were Junior for a long time, I'm a bit out of the loop lately with regards to club so not sure where they are now - but definitely not senior. Paul Galvin only this year played for a senior club, they have been intermediate for a long time. Killian Young plays football in the level below Junior (called Novice in Kerry). Donnacha Walsh, Darran O'Sullivan, Anthony Maher, Bryan Sheehan, even Maurice Fitzgerald all played in levels below senior. I'm pointing this out as it's irrelevant to the success of the Kerry senior team. How many All Irelands did Crossmaglen and Nemo Rangers win between them in the last 20 years? Armagh & Cork have only won 2 out of the last 20 AIs.

Even in regards to Minor successes. Last time Kerry won Minor was 1994, yet our golden period recently was 2000-09. I can only think of one player on that minor team who made it and that was Mike Frank Russell. u21 has always been more relevant in my eyes, Kerry won u21s in 73,75,76 & 77 before going on to win 7 out of 9 Senior All Irelands. Just as again Kerry won u21 in 95,96 & 98, before the naughties. And didn't Tyrone have good success in u21 before the naughties too. Last time Kerry won that was 08. Not that long ago in fairness. So before I started saying that u21 was relevant what I was getting at was that underage success isn't a direct correlation to senior success. As you keep mentioning Cork are the most successful in underage with over 20 all irelands betwen minor and u21, yet they only have 7 senior all irelands. Galway have always been quite successful in underage but what has it done them?? Kerry will come up good players without success at underage. Look this year Kerry's two stand out forwards. Gooch and James O'Donoghue. Neither won an all ireland at minor or u21.

JMK (Kerry) - Posts: 273 - 30/10/2013 15:02:12    1507470

All good points JMK

I'm merely giving an opinion

jimbodub (Dublin) - Posts: 20600 - 30/10/2013 16:00:02    1507501

As am I jimbodub, didn't mean to sound like I was putting you down or anything!! And for the record, Pat Spillane isn't a terrible analyst but when he starts talking about Kerry ya might aswell stop listening. He's the cute Kerry hoor that gives the rest a bad name!! Man loves controversy!!

JMK (Kerry) - Posts: 273 - 30/10/2013 16:08:52    1507506

Not at all...

I didnt think that whatsoever

All very reasonable

jimbodub (Dublin) - Posts: 20600 - 30/10/2013 17:31:48    1507540

dublin
they have even more young players to throw in next year
which will add to the quality and squad strenght
meaning the guys with all ireland medals will find more young lads
looking for there place on team

rhudson (Galway) - Posts: 1478 - 30/10/2013 19:51:39    1507574

Kerry will more than likely see themselves in a semi final next year where they will be the team to finally put the nail in Mayos coffin and end their mini era of nearly men again.

Kerry will have their work cut out to beat Dublin in 2014 final but are the nearest out there to them.

A Kerry v Dublin final would be good for the neutral , neutrals are fed up of a million songs Mayo being there , it's boring and predictable.

syferuseen (Roscommon) - Posts: 80 - 31/10/2013 09:48:23    1507636

The draw in 2014 means that Mayo wont have the luxury of playing deflated AI champs

Since 2011

They have played and defeated the current holders at key moments in their championship runs

No question it's helped playing teams who were no where near their previous AI winning level...

It's def made Mayo look better than they actually are... Mayo are still a very good team

But playing deflated AI champs has benefited Mayo under James Horan

Look at the evidence

Beat Cork in 2011 - Cork were nowhere near their previous level

Beat Dublin in 2012 - Dublin had a shocking 2012 campaign - through the league / championship

Beat Donegal in 2013 - Donegal had a very poor 2013 campaign - through the league / championship


After each of those victories Mayo went onto lose against the better team on the bigger day

jimbodub (Dublin) - Posts: 20600 - 31/10/2013 11:24:56    1507684

Jim, your argument is self defeating. By Mayo playing so called "weakened AI champs" in AI semis or quarters they have been ill prepared for the subsequent finals (12 & 13) and semi final in 2011. It was a disadvantage and not an advantage. This thread is a load of waffle - as I stated before.

pdempsey (Mayo) - Posts: 1313 - 31/10/2013 12:11:58    1507701

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It's certainly helped you reach a couple more AI finals though...

That's my point...Its going to be hard enough to make 3 in a row

In 2014 you wont have the luxury of playing a malfunctioning reigning AI champ on the way to another final

jimbodub (Dublin) - Posts: 20600 - 31/10/2013 12:20:25    1507705

That's very true jimbob.

I have said it all along, Mayo have punched above their weight for a couple of years now, once the better counties kick start again like Cork, Kerry and Tyrone , Mayo will not be talked about like they are. They don't get scrutinised like any of the top sides because of this sympathetic romance a lot seem to hold for them, they have had it handy out here because Galway and ourselves are really poor of late.

Anyway back to Kerry , is tommy Walsh coming home Otis that just a maybe still?

syferuseen (Roscommon) - Posts: 80 - 31/10/2013 12:25:29    1507708

Both Donegal in 2012 / Dublin in 2013 had to do it the hard way in reaching a final


Mayo will more than likely have to go the harder route in 2014

This is on the back of already playing in the last two finals

That's a big ask for any team

You'll have to be at your very best next year... it'll be an incredible achievement if you pull it off

All the best you to... Honestly I'd put it down as one of the great AI victories if Mayo manage to win it in 2014

Maximum respect if that's the case...

jimbodub (Dublin) - Posts: 20600 - 31/10/2013 12:26:16    1507709

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County: Roscommon
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That's very true jimbob.

I have said it all along, Mayo have punched above their weight for a couple of years now, once the better counties kick start again like Cork, Kerry and Tyrone , Mayo will not be talked about like they are. They don't get scrutinised like any of the top sides because of this sympathetic romance a lot seem to hold for them, they have had it handy out here because Galway and ourselves are really poor of late.
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I guess it hasn't helped that they are capable of spending 500,000 on one team and played most of their big games on their home pitch in 2013

As you said yourself... You boys and Galway are not where you want to be at the minute...but throw on those other advantages... is it any wonder they have it easy

jimbodub (Dublin) - Posts: 20600 - 31/10/2013 12:55:52    1507734

Lads James horan is a cool customer and a right good manager and has some really good players with more to come from that Minor team, I really think it'l be mayo Dublin Kerry and down on semis next year .

KingdomBoy1 (Kerry) - Posts: 14092 - 31/10/2013 13:36:35    1507763

Can anyone stop Kerry???

Maybe emigration :D

realdub (Dublin) - Posts: 8592 - 31/10/2013 16:24:52    1507845

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Lads James horan is a cool customer and a right good manager and has some really good players with more to come from that Minor team, I really think it'l be mayo Dublin Kerry and down on semis next year .


Not that many disagreeing with you that Mayo could make the semi final stage next year but they will win no all Ireland , simply not enough quality up front . Horan is an okay type manager throw in a bit of bluffing with his character and you'll find a more decent assessment of how he is.
He truly reflects Mayo itself tbh, huff and puff but will never have the necessary to blow the lot away.

I really think it's as good a chance as we're ever going to get next June , let's beat Mayo. Hon de Rossie .

syferuseen (Roscommon) - Posts: 80 - 31/10/2013 17:10:39    1507873

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1507734 syferuseen
County: Roscommon
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That's very true jimbob.

I have said it all along, Mayo have punched above their weight for a couple of years now, once the better counties kick start again like Cork, Kerry and Tyrone , Mayo will not be talked about like they are. They don't get scrutinised like any of the top sides because of this sympathetic romance a lot seem to hold for them, they have had it handy out here because Galway and ourselves are really poor of late.
________

I guess it hasn't helped that they are capable of spending 500,000 on one team and played most of their big games on their home pitch in 2013

As you said yourself... You boys and Galway are not where you want to be at the minute...but throw on those other advantages... is it any wonder they have it easy

Lol. Fair enough you are referring to Mayo , but coming from a Dub, who play all Championship games in Croke Park and all home League games, plus all the funding. Pull the other one

FoolsGold (Cavan) - Posts: 2763 - 31/10/2013 17:29:58    1507882