moomoo
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So when others say Kerry have no underage talent etc its true but when Pat Spillane says it its not true?!

My tongue is also in cheek...I have spent a lifetime listening to Kerry fellas talking themselves down for 11 months of the year!!!

bennybunny (Cork) - Posts: 3917 - 29/10/2013 13:52:31    1507022

Declan O Sullivan is not the player he was I don't know if it's injuries or mileage or whatever but he's not near the player that for me was the best player in Ireland in the late 00's, likewise Marc O Se is not the player he was he's definitely lost a yard or 2 of pace , but until the Gooch retires Kerry will always be challenging for All Ireland's.

clondalkindub (Dublin) - Posts: 9926 - 29/10/2013 14:33:36    1507048

Should Dublin not be substituted fro Kerry?

lilywhite1 (Kildare) - Posts: 2990 - 29/10/2013 14:47:24    1507054

jimbodub
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Pat is only speaking sense...

The players aren't there to replace the current crop as they retire

Where are the stand out Club players? Kerry underage hasn't been at the business end for a while now...

They rely on the same bunch. What a bunch to have but every dog has their day...

Kerry would have been relegated last year if they hadn't of brought back the old guard... the players they had on pitch up that point were getting well beaten. In fact... how long was it that Kerry went without scoring...

There's no shame in that... how could you begin replacing some of those players

There was one big push left for several of the current crop of Kerry players... that was 2013... and they were bloody close

I think if they had of beaten Dublin that they could have got the better of Mayo

Especially considering that Mayo had so many problems up front... Injuries / illness etc etc

I mean when the likes of Galvin, A'OM, Brosnan say enough is enough... Pat Spillane is right... you're taking a massive chunk out of the current Kerry team

I think if they leave on the back of Tomas O'Se that Kerry will def struggle in 2014

Marc O'Se is what 33 or so isn't he... with his type of game... he's not going to last the pace.

Colm Cooper / Declan O'Sullivan are both 30 as it stands... by the time the Champ comes around they'll be both pushing 31

I mean those 3 names are some of the finest footballers of all time... where's the raw material to replace such?

I agree with Pat... it just inst there and it'll be a while before Kerry reemerge.

Again do you go to every Kerry club game to know that there is no up and coming talent? Or are you just trying to state opinion as fact again?

Making up more lies again i see, Kerry have been in at least the All Ireland minor Q/F every year bar 2 since 2000, not bad for a team that haven't been in the business end of the championship like you claim.

moomoo (Kerry) - Posts: 4023 - 29/10/2013 15:28:01    1507076

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Kerry are gone for a few years now, must start rebuilding and find new young blood, most Kerry supporters themeselves are under no illusion and would be the first to admit it...
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Yes but even if they did admit it, would any of us believe them?

brendtheredhand (Tyrone) - Posts: 10897 - 29/10/2013 15:54:19    1507096

Another hot air thread from our resident Dublin wafflers. Give it up lads!

pdempsey (Mayo) - Posts: 1313 - 29/10/2013 15:57:30    1507100

Making up more lies again i see, Kerry have been in at least the All Ireland minor Q/F every year bar 2 since 2000, not bad for a team that haven't been in the business end of the championship like you claim.

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Finals are the business end.. winning finals.. you have had very little underage success at a national level for a fair chunk of time now... is that lies?

Since when is getting to a 1/4 final good enough?

Cork have had far more over the time period you've mentioned.... more lies?

Club level its even longer... you'll have to back many years

What about the rest of my post... is that lies?

Pat Spillane has pretty much backed up what I've been saying for quite sometime...

The raw materials just aren't there at present... that doesn't mean that they wont return

But as it stands... Pat is bang on... you're going to be soon losing a large chunk of that once great Kerry team

Going by who came in to cover those positions in the league before the old guard returned... they are no where near the quality of the lads they replaced. This will be proven soon enough...

The Kerry bench is weak - this was exposed by Dublin in 2011 / 2013

You boys are investing over 5 million in a state of the art center of excellence soon enough

http://www.gaa.ie/gaa-news-and-videos/daily-news/1/0810130810-kerry-announce-centre-of-excellence-details/

By all accounts it will be a fantastic facility which will only go to strengthen Kerry football...

I think Kerry obviously realize what needs to be done... and they are doing it.

There's a reason for that...

jimbodub (Dublin) - Posts: 20600 - 29/10/2013 16:39:01    1507129

rendtheredhand
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Mollymalone
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Kerry are gone for a few years now, must start rebuilding and find new young blood, most Kerry supporters themeselves are under no illusion and would be the first to admit it...
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Yes but even if they did admit it, would any of us believe them?

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True they cried wolf for long enough...

But just look at the facts...

Who's there to replace the O'Se's , A'OM, Galvin, Brosnan etc etc etc...

From all the evidence at hand... no one near the quality of them boys mentioned

jimbodub (Dublin) - Posts: 20600 - 29/10/2013 16:43:20    1507133

"Unless we face up to the shortcomings, we could be in trouble for a while in terms of challenging for All-Ireland honours which, of course, is all that matters down here.

"The million dollar question is: Is there untapped talent out there? Judging by the fare on offer in the senior final, the answer would have to be an emphatic NO.

"The standard of football in the Kerry club championship has been quite poor for some time now. Take away the power of Dr Crokes and the magic of Colm Cooper and there was little to talk about."


Out of a Kerry mans own mouth... Is he also lying moomoo..?

No. He's not... he's telling it like it is.

Just like I have been doing.

"Unless we face up to the shortcomings, we could be in trouble for a while in terms of challenging for All-Ireland honours which, of course, is all that matters down here"

Think about that moomoo...

jimbodub (Dublin) - Posts: 20600 - 29/10/2013 17:18:40    1507146

Kerry is in decline from our peak of 04 to 09,but so are Tyrone 03,05 and 08, Cork 10, Armageh 02,and Donegal 12. Only Mayo are improving while Dublin are going to dominated the next 5 years. I believe if Mayo put in another big year next year they can win Sam 2014, before the dubs string a few together from 2015 to 2020.

kerryrowz (Kerry) - Posts: 833 - 29/10/2013 17:52:12    1507165

JimboDub don't you worry yourself about us down here we have heard it all before and ............ well the record speaks for itself!

Ciarrai Abu (Overseas) - Posts: 1050 - 29/10/2013 18:00:51    1507172

JimboDub im afraid your not one to listen to as regards telling lies. You said on Hoganstand a while back that when i [jimbodub] reach 10,000 posts then you wont hear from me again. A blatant lie in my book. Your now over 11,000 posts and still waffling on.

kerry74 (Kerry) - Posts: 1354 - 29/10/2013 18:57:02    1507211

jimbodub
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Making up more lies again i see, Kerry have been in at least the All Ireland minor Q/F every year bar 2 since 2000, not bad for a team that haven't been in the business end of the championship like you claim.

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Finals are the business end.. winning finals.. you have had very little underage success at a national level for a fair chunk of time now... is that lies?

Since when is getting to a 1/4 final good enough?

Cork have had far more over the time period you've mentioned.... more lies?

Club level its even longer... you'll have to back many years

What about the rest of my post... is that lies?

Pat Spillane has pretty much backed up what I've been saying for quite sometime...

The raw materials just aren't there at present... that doesn't mean that they wont return

But as it stands... Pat is bang on... you're going to be soon losing a large chunk of that once great Kerry team

Going by who came in to cover those positions in the league before the old guard returned... they are no where near the quality of the lads they replaced. This will be proven soon enough...

The Kerry bench is weak - this was exposed by Dublin in 2011 / 2013

You boys are investing over 5 million in a state of the art center of excellence soon enough

http://www.gaa.ie/gaa-news-and-videos/daily-news/1/0810130810-kerry-announce-centre-of-excellence-details/

By all accounts it will be a fantastic facility which will only go to strengthen Kerry football...

I think Kerry obviously realize what needs to be done... and they are doing it.

There's a reason for that...

So now only getting to finals is the business end of the championship despite the fact for years from the Q/F on has been know as the business end, making things up again to suit you.

From 2001-09 Kerry have made the minor semi finals thats more then Cork so yes it is more lies from you.

As for club teams since the Intermediate and Junior All Ireland have come in KErry clubs have won 3 titles and 2 others made the final, wile Junior teams have won 5 and 2 others made finals, so again your making things up.

Again have you been going to every underage and club game to know the raw materials arent there or are you just making claims anf trying to pass them off as fact again?

moomoo (Kerry) - Posts: 4023 - 29/10/2013 19:20:34    1507230

Moomoo

Cork have WON titles chief....

WON titles at under age over that time frame you've mentioned

Whens the last one Kerry won... then look at Corks record in the time frame you've mentioned

Which one is better? I reckon winning things has them in front... don't you? :)

As in All Ireland titles... kind of a biggie

Kerry lads.. there's no need for the harsh reaction

Just echoing the sentiments of one of your own...

I just so happened to be saying the same thing for quite sometime

There is no cute hoorism coming from Spillane

He has every right to be concerned and he's spot on regarding not having the players to replace your current panel

You'll see that for yourself... you've already seen the start of it

I have no doubt that Kerry with such a fine and record setting tradition will be back... but face the facts lads...

It wont be for a while... and IMO Spillane is spot on regarding Kerry

I guess the only hope for you is that he's either lying... or doesn't have a clue.

jimbodub (Dublin) - Posts: 20600 - 29/10/2013 20:25:07    1507257

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Moomoo

Cork have WON titles chief....

WON titles at under age over that time frame you've mentioned

Whens the last one Kerry won... then look at Corks record in the time frame you've mentioned

Which one is better? I reckon winning things has them in front... don't you? :)

As in All Ireland titles... kind of a biggie

Kerry lads.. there's no need for the harsh reaction

Just echoing the sentiments of one of your own...

I just so happened to be saying the same thing for quite sometime

There is no cute hoorism coming from Spillane

He has every right to be concerned and he's spot on regarding not having the players to replace your current panel

You'll see that for yourself... you've already seen the start of it

I have no doubt that Kerry with such a fine and record setting tradition will be back... but face the facts lads...

It wont be for a while... and IMO Spillane is spot on regarding Kerry

I guess the only hope for you is that he's either lying... or doesn't have a clue.

So once again you change your story. You said nothing about winning titles you said they have been in just as many semi finals. You going to change your story again now?

Kerry last won in 1994 Cork in 2000 so in 20 years they've won the same amount, so your again making things up as they have won a title not titles.

Why no talk about club titles now? It seemed to be a very big part of your point in your last post?

Again have you been to every underage and club game? Funny for years we've been lead to believe by people outside of KErry that Pat Spillane has no idea what hes talking about, funny that you now agree with him...

moomoo (Kerry) - Posts: 4023 - 29/10/2013 20:38:59    1507263

@ Moomoo or any Kerry poster for that matter:

I'm a little out of the loop since I moved away from Ireland, but what do ye reckon about the clubs chances this year?? (i.e. Crokes, Currow & Keel) I've seen a bit of Crokes and think it could finally be there year. But Currow? Don't think they were anywhere near the standard of winning an intermediate AI when we last played them, but how are they going this year? And Keel?? We've some record in Junior can they keep it going I wonder?!

And all this about Galvin, O'Mahony and Brosnan leaving a massive hole. I think they need to go and it would be worse if they stayed. The half back line has Lyne, Fitzgerald, Crowley, Young, Maguire, they might not be Tomas O'Se's but they are still fine footballers. Young really needs to step up (or aside) now. Fitzgerald has been the next Marc O'Se in my eyes for years' looks to be stepping up to the plate nicely. Will be good to see Lyne back next year too unlucky with injuries. Would love to see Casey playing next year too. Walsh can do the dirty work in that half forward line.

JMK (Kerry) - Posts: 273 - 29/10/2013 21:03:08    1507279

And whoever said Daithi Casey is pushing on, are ya mad?? He's 23 years old!! In an era of just ending of Gooch, O'Sullivan, Donaghy, Galvin, the list goes on. It's his time to step up now, not time to be pushing on!! Just because Dublin have 19/20 year old forwards doesn't mean that 23 year olds are too old!!

JMK (Kerry) - Posts: 273 - 29/10/2013 21:06:39    1507281

Moomoo

I always meant titles man... bloody hell... the only thing that matters is titles

I'm not changing my story

You see, you just misunderstood... why would I mean 1/4 finals / semi-finals... seriously?

Your club scene hasn't won the big prize in quite sometime... and IMO they wont be winning it in 2013

Again Moomoo... I'm just echoing one of your owncounty mans words Mooomoo... which backed up my own stance.

So either we're both wrong and Kerry have the players or they don't... IMO they don't.

All the evidence to date suggests that they don't and that's what I'm basing my opinions on... I 100% agree with Pat Spillane...

I think he's every right to be concerned.

The players aren't there at the minute to replace that exceptional level of quality

That will be clear to see soon enough once the mass exodus happens...

Of course I haven't been to every club game and every under age game... I presume you have and thats how you know I'm wrong...

That's how you know Pat Spillane is wrong...

I'm not having a go at Kerry... far from it...read over my posts and I've been quite complimentary

But the fact remains that Kerry need to rebuild

The sooner some of the old guard leave the better and you can get these players into the team.

Sure only time will tell... either Pat is right or he's wrong...

jimbodub (Dublin) - Posts: 20600 - 29/10/2013 21:19:28    1507284

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Moomoo

I always meant titles man... bloody hell... the only thing that matters is titles

I'm not changing my story

You see, you just misunderstood... why would I mean 1/4 finals / semi-finals... seriously?

Your club scene hasn't won the big prize in quite sometime... and IMO they wont be winning it in 2013

Again Moomoo... I'm just echoing one of your owncounty mans words Mooomoo... which backed up my own stance.

So either we're both wrong and Kerry have the players or they don't... IMO they don't.

All the evidence to date suggests that they don't and that's what I'm basing my opinions on... I 100% agree with Pat Spillane...

I think he's every right to be concerned.

The players aren't there at the minute to replace that exceptional level of quality

That will be clear to see soon enough once the mass exodus happens...

Of course I haven't been to every club game and every under age game... I presume you have and thats how you know I'm wrong...

That's how you know Pat Spillane is wrong...

I'm not having a go at Kerry... far from it...read over my posts and I've been quite complimentary

But the fact remains that Kerry need to rebuild

The sooner some of the old guard leave the better and you can get these players into the team.

Sure only time will tell... either Pat is right or he's wrong...

Yet you only said it when you had dug yourself a hole how odd...

You said business end of the championship, thats from the Q/F on its only become finals now when your trying to back your point up ie changing your story.

Crokes are going for 3 in a row in Munster, Kerry clubs going for 8 in a row in Intermediate and 12th title out of 13 not bad for a county whos have no good club players...

Again where is all this ''evidence'' since Kerrys last All Ireland they've been in the final once and semi final this year, you've been saying for well over a year now they have no players if thats so how did they make it the semi final this year for example?

So you havent been to Kerry underage or club games yet you still can comment on the state of the players, hows that?

moomoo (Kerry) - Posts: 4023 - 29/10/2013 21:33:07    1507286

PS

He's not wrong

jimbodub (Dublin) - Posts: 20600 - 29/10/2013 21:35:32    1507287