Benbulben, that isnt true. The manager has every right to leave the door open in case of injury or whatever else. Who is EOH to make demands of the manager? We dont actually know what he was told, or what he made efforts to find out. The rest of the squad dont seem to be supporting him in any way, therefore we can assume he is on his own on this one.
Similarly he was well within his right to call in kilcullen if he felt he could add something that was missing. Again, why does EOH get a say in this? Maybe Kilcullen offers something EOH doesnt?

TheMaster (Mayo) - Posts: 16187 - 29/05/2013 12:54:21    1394273

O'Hara has shown all the characteristcs of a man with an axe to grind. The man obviously thinks because he is Eamon O'Hara, Sligo's most famous player of the last god knows how many years and has an All Star in his back pocket, Sligo should be looking to accomodate a 37 year old has been who can't put the time and commitment into the team that the manager expects of his players. O'Hara over the last few seasons has been nowhere near as influential as he was in his younger days and he's also been guilty of some stupid red cards in this time. He's no Ryan Giggs
He talks about the players "deserve better than this", better than what exactly Eamon? The fact that Walsh was looking to get lads back training in November is a clear sign of intent on the managers part that he wants his team to be in the best shape possible by next year. If anything that's a good sign of a manager. Sure, there are the issues with the county board squandering money and perhaps facilities haven't been provided to the same level as what was promised but that's county boards for you (jsut ask Roscommon and Meath). All counties have had to tackle this at some stage, hardly the managers fault in that regard. He talks about Walsh getting tactics wrong, so a manager got tactics wrong in a game, so what. Walsh if anything looked tactically sound in previous games when they've beaten Mayo, Galway and ran Kerry close. All managers have suffered this at some stage you only have to look at the great Mickey Harte last Sunday, doesn't make him a bad manager all of a sudden does it?
Its not for any pundit to call on managers to resign

keithlemon (Australia) - Posts: 920 - 29/05/2013 13:14:49    1394306

"Blatant controversy, soap box standing and cliched hyperbole is sadly taking the place of proper analysis of our games so far this season!!"

Well said Dick Clerkin

keithlemon (Australia) - Posts: 920 - 29/05/2013 13:25:31    1394316

TheMaster
County: Mayo
Posts: 7162

If you read my post properly you would see I was responding to another post that said maybe KW didn't want EOH in the squad and if that was the case he should of told him there and then and not use an excuse about commitment. That left him open to criticism when he changed the rules. There were very similar issues in your own county down through the years when prominent players were dropped.

Benbulben (Sligo) - Posts: 298 - 29/05/2013 13:29:07    1394319

Master, I know we've had our run in's in the past but I tip my hat to you sir, your posts on this thread have been excellent

keithlemon (Australia) - Posts: 920 - 29/05/2013 13:30:12    1394323

27/05/2013 19:57:51
TheCoolEra
County: Sligo
Posts: 1

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As a Sligo supporter, I am delighted with what both Eamon O'Hara and Tommy Breheny said in the aftermath of the game in Ruislip. I also agree with Ciaran Whelan's point about an outside manager is able to give a team a lift for 2/3 years but then you need to have in county man to take on the role of the job. The county board structure in Sligo is a joke at the present. There are great GAA people in the county but it's become so political that you just cannot get agreement to appoint the right people. I think Kevin Walsh has done a decent job in Sligo but should have been replaced last winter. Asking the county's best ever player to commit in November is farcical. Eamon deserved more but as Sligonian said earlier that the majority of Sligo GAA fans welcome the expose that he gave out last night.


I agree. At 70 years of age, it would be wiser to give Mickey Kearns a diet and gym programme, then bring him on to the panel about February :)

an tseabhac (Kerry) - Posts: 441 - 29/05/2013 14:10:46    1394371

Benbulben
If you read my post properly you would see I was responding to another post that said maybe KW didn't want EOH in the squad and if that was the case he should of told him there and then and not use an excuse about commitment.

And if you read mine properly you would see that I addressed this very point. The reality is EOH and Kilcullen are two different players. It is fair to say EOH isnt going to be as fit as kilcullen, maybe walsh felt he needed to be training before he could offer something? Or maybe he wanted to give youth a chance and have EOH there in case of emergency. Either way, he is perfectly within his right to ask a player to train if that player wants to be in his squad, is he not? It is like me saying ciaran mcdonald should walk back into the mayo squad because they happened to add another player, they are two different cases with obviously very different requirements, it is ridiculous. The manager is there to pick his squad on what he sees. Walsh done that, I dont believe he should have to run his decisions by Eamon O'Hara. I didnt hear EOH conferring with walsh when he went on national tv and said he was still available for selection, was that helping the sligo squad? The guy was told what was required of him, he couldnt do it. The manager has done nothing wrong.

TheMaster (Mayo) - Posts: 16187 - 29/05/2013 14:10:58    1394372

an tseabhac
County: Kerry
Posts: 95


I agree. At 70 years of age, it would be wiser to give Mickey Kearns a diet and gym programme, then bring him on to the panel about February :)

Mickey Kearns was a legend in his own right but I believe Eamon, while a different player and from a different era is rightly considered Sligo's best ever

TheCoolEra (Sligo) - Posts: 2 - 29/05/2013 14:21:49    1394384

Walsh himself hadn't committed in November!! Then changed the rules for another player - who had a bigger focus on his club championship in another county.

If all above is true then Walsh certainly lacks credibility in my view. He can't have it every way then after a disasterous result expect no scrutiny (the source is irrelevant).

Solo_Run (Leitrim) - Posts: 209 - 29/05/2013 14:24:13    1394389

arock

"Only problem with any comments last weekend are that RTE by its strange format seems to facillitate anyone with personal rant or gripe to get air time to rubbish someone else. This is wrong, totally wrong, no matter even if the person speaking is saying the truth. Thats two weekends now we have had poor editioral control with people on this out-dated show. Its only a matter of time before someone over-reaches and brings not just the show but the very games into disrepute. If someone wants to have a pop go on facebook"

In fact, Des Cahill first asked O'Hara why he was not togged out in Ruislip on Sunday. Why would you ask someone that question when they announced their retirement 6 months ago??? And that should have been O'Hara's answer right there, in any case.

keeper7 (Longford) - Posts: 4088 - 29/05/2013 14:26:29    1394393

Kilcullen actually made 2 mistakes when he came on which cost them the game on Sunday.

s goldrick (Cavan) - Posts: 5518 - 29/05/2013 14:32:26    1394401

TheCoolEra
County: Sligo
Posts: 2

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an tseabhac
County: Kerry
Posts: 95


I agree. At 70 years of age, it would be wiser to give Mickey Kearns a diet and gym programme, then bring him on to the panel about February :)

Mickey Kearns was a legend in his own right but I believe Eamon, while a different player and from a different era is rightly considered Sligo's best ever

Yerra it was not to be taken at face value. Not old enough to remember MK, only that there's county players at home from that time who nearly get emotional talking about how gifted he was. I yield to your knowledge.

an tseabhac (Kerry) - Posts: 441 - 29/05/2013 14:43:21    1394419

TheMaster
County: Mayo

Again if you read my post properly you would see I didn't say anything about Kevin Walsh been right or wrong in what he done. You stated we don't know what Kevin Walsh said, if you do maybe you will enlighten us. What I said was he could of avoided all this if he dealt with this back in November if he told O'Hara he did not want him on the Panell anymore because of age or whatever other reason but to use the excuse of not committing to training and then bringing another player half way through the league and letting him play a club match the night before a championship match is using double standards. I agree with you when you say no player no matter who he is should have any say in what the manager does or what is the point in having a manager at all. This whole mess started on Sunday when the ref blew the final whistle in Ruislip and Des Cahill asked O'Hara why he wasn't there. As i said before if we had won we wouldnt be having this conversation. There was plenty of criticism thrown at management when Cairan mac was dropped from Mayo and Sligo supporters are allowed to question when one of our best decorated players is dropped and we loose a game like that. We are at an all time low here in Sligo and questions have to be asked and answered. Even if we get a good run in the qualifiers, last Sunday will not be forgotten for a long long time. No disrespect to London the were better than us on the day and deserved their win.

Benbulben (Sligo) - Posts: 298 - 29/05/2013 14:51:54    1394435

Benbulben
Again if you read my post properly you would see I didn't say anything about Kevin Walsh been right or wrong in what he done. You stated we don't know what Kevin Walsh said, if you do maybe you will enlighten us.

I said we dont know, I am a part of that, and I never claimed otherwise. You however, seem to be second guessing what was said between the two, asking why wasnt this or that done, how do you know it wasnt? You are only going off what O'Hara had to say.


What I said was he could of avoided all this if he dealt with this back in November if he told O'Hara he did not want him on the Panell anymore because of age or whatever other reason but to use the excuse of not committing to training and then bringing another player half way through the league and letting him play a club match the night before a championship match is using double standards.

Maybe he didnt know that he wouldnt need him all of 7 months later. Isnt that a possibility? You are talking like there was some rule in the squad, but I dont see it that way. From what I seen he told o'hara that he needed to be there in november. Specifically o'hara. Kilcullen is a different case altogether. Furthermore, maybe kilcullen was deemed fit enough as he was, surely it is reasonable that he could be called up if this was the case? The bottom line is they are two different players, couldnt kilcullen have been deemed more important than EOH? That is just a maangement call, it is what he is there to do.


This whole mess started on Sunday when the ref blew the final whistle in Ruislip and Des Cahill asked O'Hara why he wasn't there.

Not really. It was a fair question. The mess started when o'hara spoke out of turn, you cant blame the guy asking the question for what the guy answering said.


There was plenty of criticism thrown at management when Cairan mac was dropped from Mayo

There was, and I wasnt one of them. However, if he had come out and said he refused to come to training until it suited him there would have been far less asking about him, that is for sure. Look, EOH was told what he needed to do to be in the squad, he refused for whatever reason (maybe his blatent lack of respect for his manager had something to do with it), and that is the reason he isnt in the squad, case closed.

TheMaster (Mayo) - Posts: 16187 - 29/05/2013 17:03:20    1394590

The master

Case closed? Well thank you for sorting all that out for us poor Sligo fans who shouldn't be allowed to question a manager who just delivered one of the worst results in Sligo's history. You really are THE MASTER.

Benbulben (Sligo) - Posts: 298 - 29/05/2013 17:23:44    1394616

O'Hara would've known in advance he was gonna be asked that question, it wasn't just sprung on him.

keeper7 (Longford) - Posts: 4088 - 29/05/2013 17:27:26    1394621

Its not just O'Hara who couldn't commit in Nov. There was also Johnny Davey, Noel Maguire and David Rooney. Philip Green retired also after he couldn't commit but he was convinced back in January after the other keeper broke his arm. Sligo doesn't have the playing resources to be forcing lads into premature retirement especially when there were 5 other changes to last years panel due to emigration and long term injuries.

Anto (Sligo) - Posts: 345 - 29/05/2013 17:54:47    1394644

Benbulben, no problem.

Anto. Maybe walsh just felt o'hara didnt have that much to offer any more. This thing where the same rule has to apply to everyone is nonsense. The reality is he was told what he needed to do to be in the squad, he couldnt/wouldnt do it. That doesnt mean every person in the squad has to do this. It is like a guy not being fully fit and the whole squad having to do his specific training, it doesnt make any sense. I see Padraig Joyce stated that the two of them had a bit of a falling out, which is pretty much exactly what most people thought anyway. How can what O'Hara has to say be taken as gospel in light of that?

Personally, I think a clean break from o'hara will be good for sligo. I would imagine younger lads will take on bigger roles and the team as a unit will move forward.

TheMaster (Mayo) - Posts: 16187 - 30/05/2013 10:36:16    1394936

Personally O hara was finished a few years ago, unfortunately we still have to look and listen to him on Sunday eves now!!

Belclare1 (Galway) - Posts: 1626 - 30/05/2013 14:34:41    1395206

TheMaster
County: Mayo
Posts: 7178

I thought you had this case closed. With your Knowledge and insight of the game and your seven odd thousand posts, it completely bewilders me that you haven't brought multiple all Ireland's to mayo. Master at what I wonder

Benbulben (Sligo) - Posts: 298 - 30/05/2013 14:39:56    1395217