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Replying To brisbane: "Why would intercounty players leave their county squads to go and play professionally for regional teams?
Same reason intercounty players leave their county squads to go and play professionally for Aussie rules team because its PROFESSIONAL lol. My proposal is for a PROFESSIONAL football league why do you want me to explain how a amateur football league would work when there is one every year in spring?? The 8 teams could be any 8 teams there are just suggestions i put forward as an example based on regions/populations/football areas." The AFL is a long established professional organisation and very few GAA players have established a career there. Your idea is a fantasy. Just because the GAA take in revenue is no basis that they would waste any money on this. You ignored my question about the last regional football competition we had that went bust.
GreenandRed (Mayo) - Posts: 7344 - 18/05/2019 17:09:15
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Replying To GreenandRed: "The AFL is a long established professional organisation and very few GAA players have established a career there. Your idea is a fantasy. Just because the GAA take in revenue is no basis that they would waste any money on this. You ignored my question about the last regional football competition we had that went bust." OMG what is up with the mayo posters? Mayo Guys please read my posts and reply to the parts you would like to discuss with me dont go off on a emotional rant. The Title of this discussion is COULD THE GAA GO PROFESSIONAL? Not how do you feel about the Gaa going professional. I am just putting out suggestions on how the Gaa could go professional.
The AFL was set up in the 90s its fairly new i mentioned the Irish AFL players to show you how Gaa players will move to the other end of the world and take up a new sport to live the professional life. This was in response to your question of why i believe players would play of new Irish teams just to be professional.
" Just because the GAA take in revenue is no basis that they would waste any money on this" Ok once again the title of this is COULD THE GAA GO PROFESSIONAL? I am giving suggestions on how the Gaa could become professional not SHOULD they become professional.
"You ignored my question about the last regional football competition we had that went bust." No i didnt the last line in my post was "The 8 teams could be any 8 teams there are just suggestions i put forward as an example based on regions/populations/football areas"
Mayo posters please stick to the topic and read the posts thoroughly
brisbane (Galway) - Posts: 674 - 18/05/2019 18:41:14
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Replying To brisbane: "OMG what is up with the mayo posters? Mayo Guys please read my posts and reply to the parts you would like to discuss with me dont go off on a emotional rant. The Title of this discussion is COULD THE GAA GO PROFESSIONAL? Not how do you feel about the Gaa going professional. I am just putting out suggestions on how the Gaa could go professional.
The AFL was set up in the 90s its fairly new i mentioned the Irish AFL players to show you how Gaa players will move to the other end of the world and take up a new sport to live the professional life. This was in response to your question of why i believe players would play of new Irish teams just to be professional.
" Just because the GAA take in revenue is no basis that they would waste any money on this" Ok once again the title of this is COULD THE GAA GO PROFESSIONAL? I am giving suggestions on how the Gaa could become professional not SHOULD they become professional.
"You ignored my question about the last regional football competition we had that went bust." No i didnt the last line in my post was "The 8 teams could be any 8 teams there are just suggestions i put forward as an example based on regions/populations/football areas"
Mayo posters please stick to the topic and read the posts thoroughly" I don't feel it possible and I think it's a lot to do with the culture of Gaelic games.
I don't feel people would look to attend enough games to run a professional league.
Gaelic fans tend to be of a more casual variety in their attendance. I don't feel there's the culture of consuming the game week in week out.
You look even at the All Ireland semifinals. If Dublin aren't in one they don't sell out.
It would hard to have a really compelling season with 8 teams. I just don't think you're going to get people buying season tickets for say a 14 game regular season.
Would we only having a football league? A hurling league doubles the cost.
You can't pay a flat rate of 20k to each player. Once you go to a professional game you're looking at market economics dictating salary. If a regular player is making €20k, the top players are going to worth considerably more. 20k isn't even close to a living wage in this country.
34k attend games on average in the AFL, every team gets 22 games a season. I just don't see the GAA capable of getting those sorts of attendances.
The AFL makes 10 times the revenue of the GAA.
The AFL is close to the highest standard professional sports league in the Asia Pacific region and certainly is in Australia. Ireland that would not be the case. You'd be talking about it being way behind the Premier League football.
I just don't see it realistically able to make anywhere near enough money to be viable.
I don't think it desirable to be honest.
As it stands there's a lot of money already flowing to the top of our sports. Clubs are struggling, you'd need more money going to the top of the game to run 2 professional leagues and I don't see that being good for the sport as a whole.
Whammo86 (Antrim) - Posts: 4222 - 18/05/2019 19:42:29
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Replying To brisbane: "OMG what is up with the mayo posters? Mayo Guys please read my posts and reply to the parts you would like to discuss with me dont go off on a emotional rant. The Title of this discussion is COULD THE GAA GO PROFESSIONAL? Not how do you feel about the Gaa going professional. I am just putting out suggestions on how the Gaa could go professional.
The AFL was set up in the 90s its fairly new i mentioned the Irish AFL players to show you how Gaa players will move to the other end of the world and take up a new sport to live the professional life. This was in response to your question of why i believe players would play of new Irish teams just to be professional.
" Just because the GAA take in revenue is no basis that they would waste any money on this" Ok once again the title of this is COULD THE GAA GO PROFESSIONAL? I am giving suggestions on how the Gaa could become professional not SHOULD they become professional.
"You ignored my question about the last regional football competition we had that went bust." No i didnt the last line in my post was "The 8 teams could be any 8 teams there are just suggestions i put forward as an example based on regions/populations/football areas"
Mayo posters please stick to the topic and read the posts thoroughly" Difficult to think you're not trolling at this stage. Plenty of posters from a range of counties politely giving you the opinion that they're not in favour if your proposal of professional regional teams. You're not doing yourself any favours by not having any solid proposals to counter their argument, choosing to shoot the messenger without listening to the message.
GreenandRed (Mayo) - Posts: 7344 - 18/05/2019 20:56:31
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Replying To bananapublican: "I would love if the GAA would do a very patriotic thing to curb the outflow of our young people from this country. It could at least do a feasability study on having a professional league in Hurling and football. Now before the die hards get on my back, the present form of 32 counties wouldn't work, I know. But 16 regional teams would. Dublin and Cork would be fit to have 2 teams. Amalgamations would be needed with weaker counties. Hurling possibly could have an 8 team pro league.
The age old argument is it has always been amateur but everything else has moved on, why not trash this out. Unfortunately the county boards, littered with a lot of oldies won't give this the research such a subject merits.
A good professional league would also stop the mess that now is the club scene, it would give a certain season and a better structure to the year. I have 2 young sons who love the game but face the grim possibility of emigration if we don't think radically. It is hard to keep expecting them to train hard for a sport with no real prospects when if they put as much into another sport there is a chance of making a living and staying at home." no n o no never
mickcunningham (Westmeath) - Posts: 1801 - 18/05/2019 21:50:58
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Replying To bananapublican: "I would love if the GAA would do a very patriotic thing to curb the outflow of our young people from this country. It could at least do a feasability study on having a professional league in Hurling and football. Now before the die hards get on my back, the present form of 32 counties wouldn't work, I know. But 16 regional teams would. Dublin and Cork would be fit to have 2 teams. Amalgamations would be needed with weaker counties. Hurling possibly could have an 8 team pro league.
The age old argument is it has always been amateur but everything else has moved on, why not trash this out. Unfortunately the county boards, littered with a lot of oldies won't give this the research such a subject merits.
A good professional league would also stop the mess that now is the club scene, it would give a certain season and a better structure to the year. I have 2 young sons who love the game but face the grim possibility of emigration if we don't think radically. It is hard to keep expecting them to train hard for a sport with no real prospects when if they put as much into another sport there is a chance of making a living and staying at home." The Irish market isn't large enough to support a professional sport and I would argue that it is not, as it is currently structured , to support a professional soccer league. Rugby works because there are only 4 professional teams and they play in a international league.
However I do agree with you that emigration is a very serious problem, especially in the rural areas and that the GAA is an economic force that could help rural communities. Last year the Kildare-Mayo game was worth over 400,000 Euros to Newbridge. So I suggest that the GAA plays more games away from Croke Park and in smaller towns.
Rather than creating a professional league I suggest that the GAA merge the league and All Ireland championship with the league acting as the regular season with teams qualifying to play in the All Ireland. The new format wouldn't start until April and the league would played April through June. This way teams would be playing in better conditions in front of larger crowds.
JuniorBee (Mayo) - Posts: 40 - 21/05/2019 07:58:14
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"Growing up, you'd only dream that football would become professional. The reality is it's not at that place in Ireland at the minute. It's definitely going in the right direction, and hopefully with a push from AFL, it might go that way,"
https://www.the42.ie/mairead-seoighe-galway-north-melbourne-2020-4640793-May2019/
brisbane (Galway) - Posts: 674 - 22/05/2019 16:52:11
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Replying To Whammo86: "I don't feel it possible and I think it's a lot to do with the culture of Gaelic games.
I don't feel people would look to attend enough games to run a professional league.
Gaelic fans tend to be of a more casual variety in their attendance. I don't feel there's the culture of consuming the game week in week out.
You look even at the All Ireland semifinals. If Dublin aren't in one they don't sell out.
It would hard to have a really compelling season with 8 teams. I just don't think you're going to get people buying season tickets for say a 14 game regular season.
Would we only having a football league? A hurling league doubles the cost.
You can't pay a flat rate of 20k to each player. Once you go to a professional game you're looking at market economics dictating salary. If a regular player is making €20k, the top players are going to worth considerably more. 20k isn't even close to a living wage in this country.
34k attend games on average in the AFL, every team gets 22 games a season. I just don't see the GAA capable of getting those sorts of attendances.
The AFL makes 10 times the revenue of the GAA.
The AFL is close to the highest standard professional sports league in the Asia Pacific region and certainly is in Australia. Ireland that would not be the case. You'd be talking about it being way behind the Premier League football.
I just don't see it realistically able to make anywhere near enough money to be viable.
I don't think it desirable to be honest.
As it stands there's a lot of money already flowing to the top of our sports. Clubs are struggling, you'd need more money going to the top of the game to run 2 professional leagues and I don't see that being good for the sport as a whole." " I don't feel people would look to attend enough games to run a professional league" I think they will nearly 8000 went to a fbd league game in connacht pretty much a challenge game in January.
"Gaelic fans tend to be of a more casual variety in their attendance. I don't feel there's the culture of consuming the game week in week out" I would not call Mayo or Dublin fans casual fans. Perhaps Antrim fans are casaul due to the fact the county has very little chance of winning an all ireland.
"You look even at the All Ireland semifinals. If Dublin aren't in one they don't sell out. It would hard to have a really compelling season with 8 teams." The Aviva Stadium has a Capacity: 51,700 if it was sold out every week would it be better then 78000 in croke park just because croke park wasnt a sell out? 8 teams is a starting base like the womens Afl it could be expaned and 8 equal teams is more compelling then Dublins 4 in a row or the munster comp.
"Would we only having a football league? A hurling league doubles the cost." I said just a football league so just 8 teams to begin with. Leave hurling amateur for the romantics and its expantion limitations.
"You can't pay a flat rate of 20k to each player. Once you go to a professional game you're looking at market economics dictating salary. If a regular player is making €20k, the top players are going to worth considerably more." Well if teams can pay more then 20k that is fantastic the 20k is more of a minimum requirement.
"20k isn't even close to a living wage in this country." What is the living wage then??????????????????????? €9.80 per hour x 40 hours a week is 392 x 52 weeks is 20348
" 34k attend games on average in the AFL, every team gets 22 games a season. I just don't see the GAA capable of getting those sorts of attendances." You cant really compare a competitive professional league against a amateur league which has leitrim v london or waterford v clare.
"The AFL makes 10 times the revenue of the GAA" The AFL is 30 years professional of course it will bring in more revenue the GAA is amateur. I am comparing the GAA with the Womens AFL as a guide as it is new not the Mens AFL which you keep referring to.
"The AFL is close to the highest standard professional sports league in the Asia Pacific region and certainly is in Australia. Ireland that would not be the case. You'd be talking about it being way behind the Premier League football."
I am not sure what your point is here can you explain it again and i will reponsed.
brisbane (Galway) - Posts: 674 - 22/05/2019 17:55:50
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https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.irishtimes.com/business/economy/gaa-fixtures-generate-220m-for-economy-before-sponsorship-and-merchandising-1.2349044%3fmode=amp
If the above is correct than the country owes the players a debt and it could be semi professional at best.
The GAA can't find it really but it is in the states interest to increase that €220m and help it become international so sports tourism revenue could be increased
There are two options if the state wished to increased this number:
1. Get the GAA to structure the system properly with a spread of matches in regional towns - a tiered system with a population limit on any region or county which takes part
2. Provide a tax break for all players who take play a certain number of minutes per season which increases every year they play, with a permanent tax break for those who play 10,000 minutes in their career
If the state can give tax breaks to horse racing then why not our own indigenous sports. The six counties could be left out here but Theresa May will sort that out I'm sure
3. State purchases all stadia required and funds their upgrade. Then sells them to whoever will buy them and run the league- be it the GAA or varous franchises
tirawleybaron (Mayo) - Posts: 1109 - 23/05/2019 07:03:50
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Replying To brisbane: "" I don't feel people would look to attend enough games to run a professional league" I think they will nearly 8000 went to a fbd league game in connacht pretty much a challenge game in January.
"Gaelic fans tend to be of a more casual variety in their attendance. I don't feel there's the culture of consuming the game week in week out" I would not call Mayo or Dublin fans casual fans. Perhaps Antrim fans are casaul due to the fact the county has very little chance of winning an all ireland.
"You look even at the All Ireland semifinals. If Dublin aren't in one they don't sell out. It would hard to have a really compelling season with 8 teams." The Aviva Stadium has a Capacity: 51,700 if it was sold out every week would it be better then 78000 in croke park just because croke park wasnt a sell out? 8 teams is a starting base like the womens Afl it could be expaned and 8 equal teams is more compelling then Dublins 4 in a row or the munster comp.
"Would we only having a football league? A hurling league doubles the cost." I said just a football league so just 8 teams to begin with. Leave hurling amateur for the romantics and its expantion limitations.
"You can't pay a flat rate of 20k to each player. Once you go to a professional game you're looking at market economics dictating salary. If a regular player is making €20k, the top players are going to worth considerably more." Well if teams can pay more then 20k that is fantastic the 20k is more of a minimum requirement.
"20k isn't even close to a living wage in this country." What is the living wage then??????????????????????? €9.80 per hour x 40 hours a week is 392 x 52 weeks is 20348
" 34k attend games on average in the AFL, every team gets 22 games a season. I just don't see the GAA capable of getting those sorts of attendances." You cant really compare a competitive professional league against a amateur league which has leitrim v london or waterford v clare.
"The AFL makes 10 times the revenue of the GAA" The AFL is 30 years professional of course it will bring in more revenue the GAA is amateur. I am comparing the GAA with the Womens AFL as a guide as it is new not the Mens AFL which you keep referring to.
"The AFL is close to the highest standard professional sports league in the Asia Pacific region and certainly is in Australia. Ireland that would not be the case. You'd be talking about it being way behind the Premier League football."
I am not sure what your point is here can you explain it again and i will reponsed." The Women's AFL isn't self sufficient, it's funded by the AFL even it with a limited likely 9 week season is committed to paying €4.5m out next year in salaries for a 10 team league.
€20k roughly puts someone just outside the bottom third of earners in Ireland.
I just don't really see that being a salary worth giving up other more lucrative pursuits for.
You may think that any amount of money is better than nothing. There have been studied in the past showing that when money is introduced to an endevour people no longer treat it as part of a social contract to participate in it. Once money is introduced people start valuing their time in a way they don't when not being paid. I don't really feel that anything close to €20k a year would incentivize some to turn professional at the expense of a traditional job.
One would not be financially secure after a 10 year career in the GAA at that sort of money.
I was a bit hasty calling it not a living wage in Ireland. It is not a living wage in Dublin though. You're not getting much of an apartment in the greater Dublin area for 10k a year for instance.
Whammo86 (Antrim) - Posts: 4222 - 23/05/2019 19:01:04
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yes but only by abandoning the county team model and using clubs like in Aussie Rules meaning dublin would have 4 or 5 top division clubs etc
dickie10 (UK) - Posts: 687 - 23/05/2019 22:57:05
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