diablo

all you can bring in your arguement is all irelands in the last 10 years and nobody is disagreeing we didnt win any thats obvious but in those ten years if like cork,mayo,armagh,down we didnt meet the evntual champions 8 times out of the 10 years how many all ireland finals would dublin have been is my point

hill16no1man (Dublin) - Posts: 12665 - 01/09/2011 15:31:34    1024807

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Hill16.

Look, obviously whether or not a team or county has underachieved is based more on the ability of the team rather than the actual medals/games/all-stars they have won in a particular time.

The truth is that Dublin have had a lot of very good teams over the years and not won an All-Ireland nor have they beaten the best teams when it has come to it. If you were to say that the players available to Dublin were poor, then we'd say it was just a bad team. Truth is, recent Dublin teams have been good enough, yet they've lost out repeatedly. Are you saying that Dublin have gotten the very best out of each team they have produced?

I'm not basing it solely on All-Ireland titles - but a county like Dublin should be challenging. If you're saying that Dublin are of a lower standard than Kerry, Tyrone or Cork, then I'd say fine, Dublin have not underachieved. But Dublin are in that bracket so in my opinion, they have not gotten the best from several teams over the years.

Take Tyrone. They deservedly won 3 All-Irelands in the last few years but I still think that team may have underachieved by not being able to follow it up year on year when they were good enough to do so. In the same period I think Cork underachieved with the players they have at their disposal and Kerry probably overachieved, although it is one of the best teams to represent the county, they have only missed one semi final since the qualifiers were introduced.

diablodeKingdom (Kerry) - Posts: 210 - 01/09/2011 16:01:20    1024851

The game was all-round horrible.
1. Donegal tried to choke Dublin out of it and almost succeeded.
2.It was up to Gilroy and Dublin to devise a tactic to overcome Donegal's defensive strategy (which was expected and within the rules) and Dublin very nearly failed.
3.The Dublin full forward line were not getting any ball supply, so it fell to the Dublin half forwards and mid-fielders who were unable to shoot for points from distance.
4. Donegal placed too much emphasis and energy on being defensive. They hand-passed the ball over and back taking way too long to go forward. A purely defensive strategy is unsustainable in any game. Eventually opposition with natural superior talent will overcome that strategy.
5. Donegal were guilty of a lot of diving and acting. Connolly was provoked and he is surely regretting his reaction which most likely will cost him a place in the final.
6. Many are saying Dublin played a similiar style of game to Donegal but I think Donegal took so long in coming forward, it just allowed Dublin to set up for them. I don't think we will see this style from Dublin against Kerry simply because they won't get the time.
7. As a spectator I hope this defensive style of play "goes away". It was brutal to watch. It was like outdoor basketball and not like Gaelic football at all (at all). It got Donegal so far, but let's hope we see the back of it.
8. Maybe a look at the handpass rule is in order. What's wrong with having to strike the ball with a fist? That's the way it was when I was a young fella and I never saw the need to change it.

Liameen (USA) - Posts: 38 - 02/09/2011 13:27:10    1025465

really hoped Donegal would win this match!! but have to admit in the end I was glad the dubs did it (imagine ehat the final would be like if they didn't!). Found this the most disappointing game of football ever, the only gameplan Donegal had was to stop dublin from playing the game as it should be played. Hopefully on the 18th we'll get to see how Dublin would have played in the semi-final had they been allowed too!!!

down4sam.again (Down) - Posts: 11 - 02/09/2011 14:35:35    1025539

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Glenswilly77
County: Donegal
03/09/2011
12:59:29


Donegal v Dublin

Look lads, read this Irish Times article today, its about time someone with some authority spoke up. I have watched the game 3 times. I watched the Sunday game analysis last night and not once did they mention the 2 man tackle that nearly killed Lacey......THIS ARTICLE IS A MUST READ

www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/sport/2011/0903/1224303425786.html

If that was Bernard Brogan that was pole axed by a Donegal player they would be moaning about it for weeks.

Administrator (None) - Posts: 2274 - 03/09/2011 13:57:21    1026055

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riddler
Posts: 1
Kildare


Media Views on Donegal

Just wanted to see what people think about the coverage of Donegal v Dublin match this week. Obviously Donegal's tactics were not refined enough to convert a lot of possession into scores in the second half, but in my opinion some of the coverage is unfair. Keith Duggan has a good piece in today's Irish Times about the hypocrisy of RTE's analysts,while from reading Keith Barr's opinion in the Independent you would think that Dublin did not contribute any negative tactics to the game. I think that it should be remembered that this is McGuinness' first year in charge of Donegal. The first thing he had to do was stabilise the team and get some results. His tactics weren't great for neutrals, but at least now that Donegal have had some success they can try to develop their tacics and improve their football, a bit like Tyrone did. Also, why shouldn't a team play to its own strengths. Also, I think that Donegal scored more from play than Dublin and in my opinion Bernard Brogan in particular got some relatively soft frees. This isn't an attack on Dublin who did have the courage to push on when they got on top to win the game, but I think some of the coverage is one-sided and insults the intelligence of people who can follow the game for themselves.

Administrator (None) - Posts: 2274 - 03/09/2011 14:01:01    1026056

Administrator
County: All
Posts: 602

1026055
This was posted as a new thread but as the subject matter is the same it has been incorporated here.

Glenswilly77
County: Donegal
03/09/2011
12:59:29


Donegal v Dublin

Look lads, read this Irish Times article today, its about time someone with some authority spoke up. I have watched the game 3 times. I watched the Sunday game analysis last night and not once did they mention the 2 man tackle that nearly killed Lacey......THIS ARTICLE IS A MUST READ

www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/sport/2011/0903/1224303425786.html

If that was Bernard Brogan that was pole axed by a Donegal player they would be moaning about it for weeks.

Look here tulip Murpky took O'Carroll but you choose to ignore that,move on its a mans game that has contact lacey was met shoulder to shoulder MAYBE A BIT LATE BUT THAT'S IT

tomaoo7 (Dublin) - Posts: 5896 - 03/09/2011 14:54:50    1026098

Well said tomaoo , the roc was taken out be they fail to mention that on here. Lacey got a late shoulder hit so what it happens all the time get over it. Plus lacey went off with a knee injury so the shoulder hit had nothing to do with his injury.

clondalkindub (Dublin) - Posts: 9926 - 03/09/2011 15:47:54    1026136

Unmanly donegal players will be the overriding memory of this game for me!!!....for shame!!!

Cowardly conduct from them!!

Regards,

Snufalufagus....Laochra Gael

Snufalufagus (Dublin) - Posts: 8100 - 03/09/2011 16:30:23    1026156

Wise up....The only think wrong with Rory was that he aggravated an old hip injury. My cousin works with him in Ulster bank. Everyone in Kilmacud knew straight away what the problem was. I doubt you have ever been to a club game???

You sound like one of the 60,000 die hard bandwagon jumpers. I am sure you will dis-own them as usual when Kerry teach you a lesson.

PS. I LIKE THE TRUE DUBLIN SUPPORTERS AND THINK THEY ARE GREAT BUT UN-EDUCATED COMMENTS LIKE THAT JUST SHOW YOU KNOW NOTHING ABOUT DUBLIN FOOTBALL.

Glenswilly77 (Donegal) - Posts: 201 - 03/09/2011 17:09:11    1026171

Glenswilly77
County: Donegal
Posts: 174

1026171
Wise up....The only think wrong with Rory was that he aggravated an old hip injury. My cousin works with him in Ulster bank. Everyone in Kilmacud knew straight away what the problem was. I doubt you have ever been to a club game???

You sound like one of the 60,000 die hard bandwagon jumpers. I am sure you will dis-own them as usual when Kerry teach you a lesson.

PS. I LIKE THE TRUE DUBLIN SUPPORTERS AND THINK THEY ARE GREAT BUT UN-EDUCATED COMMENTS LIKE THAT JUST SHOW YOU KNOW NOTHING ABOUT DUBLIN FOOTBALL.

This coming from a supporter of a team -that thinks the only way to play football is to put 15 men behind the ball don't make me laugh....Maybe Donegal should play in the AIB league next year...

Clondalkindub why do Ulster teams go out to destroy football..

tomaoo7 (Dublin) - Posts: 5896 - 03/09/2011 17:21:04    1026177

Ok something doesn't make sense, didn't the roc go to France to learn French for his teaching course? Or did he go to learn French for the customers in ulster bank?

clondalkindub (Dublin) - Posts: 9926 - 03/09/2011 17:26:47    1026182

Throwback Thursday to when HS went into meltdown after Donegal 0-06 v 0-08 Dublin.

Ring-a-Ring-a-Rosie, As the light declines, i'll remember Dublin city.... in the rare oul times :D

waynoI (Dublin) - Posts: 13650 - 02/06/2016 12:42:18    1860858

Yikes. That seems like such a long time ago now. I remember coming in about a minute late for the second half. I was shocked to see McFadden miss a goal and then thought to myself that that was the winning or losing of the game. Still, it paved the way to 2012. I think that given our resources and our form, it was a necessary year for us. We played some very awful stuff that year, but the next year is what we all remember.

Donegalman (None) - Posts: 3830 - 02/06/2016 15:01:06    1860910

wouldn't disagree with ya there Donegalman.

waynoI (Dublin) - Posts: 13650 - 02/06/2016 17:44:37    1860965

I was on Holidays for that match and while I watched the Donegal game my friends watched Arsenal and Man United nearly score as much.
I was so distraught after the game but a call home and a few beers later I was back to normality and planning how we were going to win the All Ireland in 2012. Thankfully Jim came up with a better plan and the rest as they say is history (for both teams)

dstuction (Donegal) - Posts: 1209 - 03/06/2016 11:02:10    1861135