PJ
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Could you be more specific? I'm not going to sit around for 35 minutes hoping to see it some of us do work you know.

Break_er (Donegal) - Posts: 798 - 30/08/2011 13:40:17    1022822

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There was also an incident in the second half where Cian Osullivan made an honest tackle on a donegal player, Jim McGuinness and his side kicks ran onto the pitch claiming Cian had elbowed the lad in the face, Sullivan was then given a yellow card, there was no contact with the face and no elbow, in fact it was hardly even a free kick. There were 3 incidents with Donegal players going to ground holding their face when there was no contact with that part of their anatomy what so ever! The gamesmanship of the Donegal team was a disgrace and at times was akin to what you might see in the premiership.

30/08/2011 13:28:35
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ruanua
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McMahon clearly handled the ball on the ground



Since when is your elbow part of your hand!!

PJ you are really showing yourself up now. What do you wanna call it, an elbowball? Can you not be any way objective at all? The tackle by O'Sullivan was a bad one and deserved a yellow card. No less, no more. When I saw it from the stands it looked a lot worse than it actually was so its easy to see why the management were annoyed. You would think the Dublin management and players were angels the way you go on.

benjyyy (Donegal) - Posts: 1422 - 30/08/2011 13:40:48    1022824

Break_er
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1022822 PJ
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Could you be more specific? I'm not going to sit around for 35 minutes hoping to see it some of us do work you know



The game is on the rte player for the next couple of weeks, plenty of time for you to watch it!

PJ (None) - Posts: 2288 - 30/08/2011 13:44:01    1022828

PJ

Why can you just not cooperate and tell me at what minute this 'incident' occured? Are you hiding something? Did it happen in a dream you had lastnight about the big bad mountain men from Donegal?

Break_er (Donegal) - Posts: 798 - 30/08/2011 14:02:20    1022852

Last Sunday was surely a new low for the grand old game of Gaelic football. When played properly Gaelic football can still be a great spectacle for fans but at the moment it is all about winning whatever the cost.Time for the GAA to act and ban or severely restrict handpassing.They should also consider a rule that keeps the forwards in their half and the backs in theirs, otherwise we might as well call it Gaelic wrestle ball.What I saw last Sunday was not Gaelic Football.

Barnowl94 (Galway) - Posts: 3150 - 30/08/2011 14:34:47    1022903

Barnowl94

I agree about the hand passing rule but the fact of the matter is players bunch together as the hand pass makes it very easy to keep possession. If players had to kick it, the movement needed to kick it would give opponents that fraction of a second needed to tackle, unless players spread out more that is.

All they need to do is make a rule, if you receive a hand pass, you cannot receive one. Do that & football will be a better game to watch. 243 hand passes in a game is almost 3.5 per minute. That's loads - if half those were kicks the game would be a lot more open.

slayer (Limerick) - Posts: 6480 - 30/08/2011 14:52:33    1022931

benjyyy
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PJ you are really showing yourself up now. What do you wanna call it, an elbowball? Can you not be any way objective at all? The tackle by O'Sullivan was a bad one and deserved a yellow card. No less, no more. When I saw it from the stands it looked a lot worse than it actually was so its easy to see why the management were annoyed. You would think the Dublin management and players were angels the way you go on.



There was no elbow to the face, why was the Donegal player holding his face?? Why were Mcguinness and staff allowed to run onto the pitch?? They were gesticulating to the ref that Osullivan used his elbow when he clearly didnt.

PJ (None) - Posts: 2288 - 30/08/2011 15:51:13    1023011

@Lifford Gael

If success for Donegal is putting 12 men in their own half and winning in two competitions then good luck to them . But Don't complain when people say its horrible to watch and ruins their enjoyment of what should be a great sporting occasion. The tragedy for Donegal is that they have some really class forwards who will not get the chance to shine in such a defensive set up. Dublin learned last season that you need more to win matches than strangling the opposition. Perhaps next year we can see some of the class forwards in Donegal in action.

It could have easily went Donegal's way if they had of played with a little ambition. Playing such a defensive game is energy sapping and perhaps in the last 15minutes gaps opened up because of tired legs.

There were cynical fouls by both sides in in what was a tight, dour and ugly match. Connelly was silly enough to get into an altercation with a Donegal player who wasn't even involved in the free and who went down clutching his face after being jabbed in the neck. I thought that Barry Cahill was lucky not to get a red. Its up to the officials to apply the rules as best they can but they don't have the benefit of television replays and make split second decisions. I don't blame any team to try and win as best they can within the rules but please dont asked me to like it or commend teams that do it.

spmccann (Dublin) - Posts: 209 - 30/08/2011 16:43:09    1023079

@spmccann

Are the class forwards you are talking about the same ones that we had in not winning an Ulster championship game since 2007? Because these are the same players we have now...

benjyyy (Donegal) - Posts: 1422 - 30/08/2011 17:09:08    1023125

Did anyone read Paddy Heaney's excellant report in today's Irish News, some need to take off their dark glasses, as Paddy notes Dublin were negative too, but some of the comments in the southern media are bordering on madness and very blinkered.....

cuchulainn35 (Armagh) - Posts: 1676 - 30/08/2011 17:27:15    1023150

Still not answering my question my question PJ I see, your silence says more than words ever could. Its guys like you that brings same on the honest and genuine Dublin fans. Such is the price of success that it will bring glory hunters like you out of the woodwork now and again. I just hope you don't take up some of the real fans tickets on AI day.

Break_er (Donegal) - Posts: 798 - 30/08/2011 17:32:32    1023159

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There was also an incident in the second half where Cian Osullivan made an honest tackle on a donegal player, Jim McGuinness and his side kicks ran onto the pitch claiming Cian had elbowed the lad in the face, Sullivan was then given a yellow card, there was no contact with the face and no elbow, in fact it was hardly even a free kick. There were 3 incidents with Donegal players going to ground holding their face when there was no contact with that part of their anatomy what so ever! The gamesmanship of the Donegal team was a disgrace and at times was akin to what you might see in the premiership.
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If that was hardly a free then I dunno what most of the frees you got your points from were for!

benjyyy (Donegal) - Posts: 1422 - 30/08/2011 17:37:10    1023169

Jim will want to add a few strings to his bow for next year or it'll be a short year for Donegal. Their style of football is too easy for better teams to break down. I was very disappointed to see how little Dublin were able to adapt their game to Donegals all out defence tactics.

I don't think this style will take hold in the game as it has too many flaws. To say that Kildare, Mayo and Dublin play similar football to Donegal show's a lack of understanding of the game or an ignorance to the facts, either way, neither can be defended.

I do think that neither Dublin or Kerry would have made the AI final in the last few years on current form. While the final may be good, the quality of both teams is questionable

WristyHurling (Kildare) - Posts: 37 - 30/08/2011 17:44:11    1023183

was this paddy heaney like the rest of the posters who seem to agree with you cuchalinn actualy at the match i doubt it.
the camera cannot identify the styles of both teams believe me dublin were not set up in a similiar fashion to donegal.
i attended all dublins matches last year apart from the kerry and cork away league matches and in the league matches dublin were very defensive leaving only brogan and mcmannoman inside for most of the game but watching the cork match on tv it did not come across as much it looked completly differant just like sundays game must have to the tv viewers,as 99% of the match had 25 player in donegals half of the pitch and 5 in dublins half of the pitch

hill16no1man (Dublin) - Posts: 12665 - 30/08/2011 17:44:59    1023184

benjyyy
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If that was hardly a free then I dunno what most of the frees you got your points from were for


Whether it was a free or not is debatable! My main point which you avoided was McGuinness and his runner coming on to the pitch gesticulating to the ref that O'Sullivan had elbowed the Donegal player in the face which he didnt! They were clearly trying to get the lad sent off! I hate to see this type of behaviour creeping into our great game!

PJ (None) - Posts: 2288 - 30/08/2011 18:01:20    1023201

Agree with poster who suggests that if you receive a handpass then you can't give one. That would cut out an awful lot of the more deplorable defensive stuff. Also suggest a curtailment of the solo run ie; (hop, solo, hop or solo, hop, solo) with player still in possession at end of solo forced to kick pass the ball away. Mind you I'd suggest a player being allowed six steps with the ball, as in Int. Rules. The game is really getting quite defensive, I've even heard of a coach at under-age level putting an extra player on the line along with the goalkeeper to keep the scoring level down. I won't say what county or what club, but it's getting ridiculous!

PatdeVerse (Dublin) - Posts: 107 - 30/08/2011 18:23:34    1023226

Hill,

Paddy is the Irish News Chief Sports reporter so yes he would have been at the game. Paddy is a very fair commentator and he is usually sharp enough in his analysis. Could someone tell me where he is wrong? Dublin and Kerry can be as physical, defensive, cynical and dirty as any team so let's not just pin this on Donegal or Ulster. This is what Paddy said; most of the media coverage was emotive and biased against Donegal, before and after the game, because the national Dublin media wanted their dream final.

Ulsterman (Antrim) - Posts: 9706 - 30/08/2011 18:48:09    1023250

I've no problem with how Donegal set out their stall - they are not breaking any rules. It was up to Dublin to find a way around them and thankfully they did in the end. There was a fabulous atmosphere all through and the 2nd half was full of tension and gut wrenching excitement - maybe this did not come through on TV.
What's really annoying me is that a player throws himself to the ground, clutching his face in apparent agony after getting a light tap on the shoulder. A yellow for each would have been enough.

jos33 (Dublin) - Posts: 243 - 30/08/2011 18:54:05    1023255

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ulsterman 99% of neutrals north and south of the border wanted dublin to win when in your lifetime have you heard that before it speaks for itself there was no biased views just honest ones nobody wants gaelic football to become a mixtur of basketball and rugby and thats what doengal tried to play on sunday

hill16no1man (Dublin) - Posts: 12665 - 30/08/2011 19:06:32    1023275

Its up to the GAA to come up with a rule or a set of rules that will open up the space in Gaelic Football. Although we have taken it to a new level, this is the way the game has been going for the past decade or so. There are only about 4 or 5 decent matches a year now, the rest of the games can be viewed on a sliding scale of mediocrity to very poor.

One way of stopping or restricting blanket defense would be a ban on the full forward line tracking back any further than the half way line. That way, they would be forced to think offensively and likewise force the defending team to use them more. Just a thought.

I think we can be judged more clearly on our performance next year. This was only year one and if we continue the same, we deserve the criticism we get. However, the neigh sayers both from and outside donegal should reserve judgement as they normally have no alternative to what is being offered. Plus they forget the sh1te that Donegal have played over the past decade while trying to play football.

Donegalman (None) - Posts: 3830 - 30/08/2011 19:10:23    1023280