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Replying To TerribleFootwork: "Its bugging me big time at this stage, to be lucky 1 year is one thing but they've been lucky 3 years in a row." "Lucky three years in a row"..?? Hardly. It takes two to tango and let's face it, Wexford have been the architects of their own downfall against Dublin over the last three years. Missed penalties, awful wides, missed goal chances, over fouling etc etc. You cannot put any of those defeats down to Dublin getting lucky. We have just not been good enough and to hide behind excuses like bad luck is not going to help Wexford hurling. It's just a copout.
Purpleandgold72 (Wexford) - Posts: 203 - 22/04/2024 18:43:09
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Replying To Viking66: " Replying To Afinestick96: "[quote=ElGranSenor: "[quote=wexford2012: "Liam griffin has in the past spoken about 'hurling being a way of life' well Last year when we played Kilkenny this never to me felt more visceral, more intense, more real as if that way of life was hanging by a thread. Maybe it was just me but that day felt like we were all stepping into the area, that we would as supporters go above and beyond, cheer, barrack, clap, hoot and hollower - yes weren't on the pitch but we would be that oft spoken about '16th man.'
In marked contrast yesterday in Wexford park the atmosphere was muted, it didn't feel like championship, I don't think there was a single 'Wexford, Wexford chant' which was strange.
I realise I am stepping on dangerous ground as people reacted strongly last year when the county chairman pointed the poor Wexford support being a part of the reason our u20s lost to Offaly in Carlow but I believed at the time he was right and still do.
This sense prompted me to check what research has to tell us and
"One study found that when athletes receive frequent encouragement, effort levels increased by up to 7%. Performing in front of a crowd can also provide a positive distraction from fatigue. Focusing on the crowd and thriving off their atmosphere and energy has been demonstrated to be an effective strategy to help athletes when they are tiring and about to 'hit the wall'."
This article went onto talk about visual aids/stimulus saying:
"Fans often use visual aids flags, banners, etc Visual representations of encouragement can be used to create an atmosphere that influences athletes both physically and psychologically. In fact, it has been found to help boost the physical strength of athletes by up to 8%. This effect was most apparent during high intensity performances, which makes it the perfect strategy for the World Cup."
So please don't get me wrong I'm not blaming supporters but do want to explore something. In post-match analysis yesterday many people I spoke to felt there missing in Wexford, that as a county, despite huge passion, we keep suffering big collapses. You don't see this with the other serious hurling counties. This is bigger than one group of players, bigger than any manager, even bigger than the county board members. We have not won a minor all Ireland since 1968 - 56 years…or even appeared in one since 1985 (39 years). Why is this?
At senior level I believe we suffered significant psychological damage that persists to this day, from the hammers Brian Cody's Kilkenny meted out to us, at some level this is impacting teams to this day. We lack confidence, lack belief, lack real ambition or expectation. Yes, we latch onto any scrape of success but we go from high to low, hero to zero, we're either winning the all-Ireland or we're the worst team in history - we have little ability as a county to maintain perspective. We seem to have excuse after excuse to explain away problems, to numb the pain that facing reality brings.
The conclusion in rather bleak as the scale of the problem appears daunting BUT we have to address it and start making changes." Good post, I know some people on here and elsewhere are maligning the quality of our forwards and wonder where we would be without Chin but I think in terms of ability, we're not as far as behind as some like to make us out to be e.g I'm not sure anyone can say that a trio of TJ Reid-Adrian Mullen-Eoin Cody is that far ahead quality-wise of Chin-ROC-Mac. But where KK are streets ahead of us is that they play every game with intensity whereas we seem only to raise our level on special occasions. No matter how big or small out technical, physical, and tactical limitations are right now, our single biggest limitation is the gap between our two ears"
Really what the OP should've said is that Chin, Rory and Damien would be standout players on a Liam McCarthy team, which all 3 are. All 3 would make any team, including Limericks."]Damien Reck is so underrated outside of Wexford. He's man marked Tony Kelly twice out of games. Always reliable to put on the oppositions main forward and does a good job. James Breen was good at that too tbf but Reck has it all imo. Very good on the ball, pace and he's a strong lad even if he's not the tallest. His brother is improving every year also to his credit.
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Replying To ExiledInWex: "It is natural to curse your luck when 2 goals go in but the problem in Wexford is the lack of goal scoring threat at the other. You can score 3 points in a gale and have to work your socks off to get them, some times just get the bloody ball in there and see what the outcome is has a place in the game. Backs hate fast ball and if its coming in fast you have less chance to deal with it. But we needed a goal, why didn't you get 10-12 bodies inside their own 45 and snuff it out? It was naive.
But its done now and on to the next challenge." We did create goal scoring chances yesterday but the problem with Wexford is converting them. I never feel confident when one of our forwards goes through on goal. Mogie really should have put that chance away with the quality he has.
Heartandhand96 (Wexford) - Posts: 13 - 22/04/2024 18:57:33
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Replying To ExiledInWex: "Remember that post myself TerribleFootwork, disgusting is the word and unfounded is another.
One of my closest Wexican friends was very upset by that as his son was on the team." I always respect your opinions and your posts as you are a true GAA man but why would anybody care what some nobody behind a username (myself included) thinks or says? I wouldnt care less, people need to be thicker skinned than that. And that young fella representing his county fair play to him, he's doing more than the vast majority of posters on this forum I'd image.
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Replying To ExiledInWex: "You make your own luck as they say. Yesterday was the first of those 3 years that you deserved a win, on the other 2 occasions you didn't deserve anything." We weren't good enough to get the job done in any case. Horrendous decision making down the stretch the last 3 years v Dublin. I only got to see the highlights yesterday but was it at least a better standard than the game in Croke Park last year?
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Replying To Yellow: "Two turning points in the game yesterday.
1. Fanning's outrageous point from play which was sensational and we would have lost the game without it.
- side note it is worrying your goalie is scoring more from play than your forwards
2. Fanning had a free at the end of the match. He went for it and it went wide. He should have dropped it in or even better went to the corner and ate up time - pin Dublin back into their own corner and wind down the clock. He hit it wide. They had possession and we know the rest." Considering Fanning had already scored from play from distance he was well within his rights to have a crack. We should have camped about 10 players inside our 45 for that last play and fouled any Dublin player that got anywhere near the ball. Unforgiveable really.
Anyway...maybe not all is lost. I think we are going to have a far stronger panel on paper v Galway than we had last year.
Timbertony (Wexford) - Posts: 217 - 22/04/2024 19:14:10
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Replying To Viking66: "Agree. Michael Fennelly was able to do that because no Kilkenny player would let that free be taken that fast." I am not sure I would agree with the assertion that all of them would be clued into it. Its not that they are no smart enough but each player plays the game in a different way and in a lot of ways you don't want them thinking too much about the options. Teams tend to have a few players that perform that role on the field. Kevin Foley was off at that stage and would have been one of those players - Ryan would have been another - Rory and Chin may have been but they had been given instructions to stay up the field earlier. Remember it was 2 goals in 90 secs. If we had a gameplan to drop players back and the players who followed got two goals then everyone would be screaming the other way. I am not blaming the lads there but none are full backs and perhaps that little bit of experience of being in those circumstances at that time was what was missing. Hopefully they will learn from it.
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Replying To Afinestick96: " Replying To ElGranSenor: "[quote=wexford2012: "Liam griffin has in the past spoken about 'hurling being a way of life' well Last year when we played Kilkenny this never to me felt more visceral, more intense, more real as if that way of life was hanging by a thread. Maybe it was just me but that day felt like we were all stepping into the area, that we would as supporters go above and beyond, cheer, barrack, clap, hoot and hollower - yes weren't on the pitch but we would be that oft spoken about '16th man.'
In marked contrast yesterday in Wexford park the atmosphere was muted, it didn't feel like championship, I don't think there was a single 'Wexford, Wexford chant' which was strange.
I realise I am stepping on dangerous ground as people reacted strongly last year when the county chairman pointed the poor Wexford support being a part of the reason our u20s lost to Offaly in Carlow but I believed at the time he was right and still do.
This sense prompted me to check what research has to tell us and
"One study found that when athletes receive frequent encouragement, effort levels increased by up to 7%. Performing in front of a crowd can also provide a positive distraction from fatigue. Focusing on the crowd and thriving off their atmosphere and energy has been demonstrated to be an effective strategy to help athletes when they are tiring and about to 'hit the wall'."
This article went onto talk about visual aids/stimulus saying:
"Fans often use visual aids flags, banners, etc Visual representations of encouragement can be used to create an atmosphere that influences athletes both physically and psychologically. In fact, it has been found to help boost the physical strength of athletes by up to 8%. This effect was most apparent during high intensity performances, which makes it the perfect strategy for the World Cup."
So please don't get me wrong I'm not blaming supporters but do want to explore something. In post-match analysis yesterday many people I spoke to felt there missing in Wexford, that as a county, despite huge passion, we keep suffering big collapses. You don't see this with the other serious hurling counties. This is bigger than one group of players, bigger than any manager, even bigger than the county board members. We have not won a minor all Ireland since 1968 - 56 years…or even appeared in one since 1985 (39 years). Why is this?
At senior level I believe we suffered significant psychological damage that persists to this day, from the hammers Brian Cody's Kilkenny meted out to us, at some level this is impacting teams to this day. We lack confidence, lack belief, lack real ambition or expectation. Yes, we latch onto any scrape of success but we go from high to low, hero to zero, we're either winning the all-Ireland or we're the worst team in history - we have little ability as a county to maintain perspective. We seem to have excuse after excuse to explain away problems, to numb the pain that facing reality brings.
The conclusion in rather bleak as the scale of the problem appears daunting BUT we have to address it and start making changes." Good post, I know some people on here and elsewhere are maligning the quality of our forwards and wonder where we would be without Chin but I think in terms of ability, we're not as far as behind as some like to make us out to be e.g I'm not sure anyone can say that a trio of TJ Reid-Adrian Mullen-Eoin Cody is that far ahead quality-wise of Chin-ROC-Mac. But where KK are streets ahead of us is that they play every game with intensity whereas we seem only to raise our level on special occasions. No matter how big or small out technical, physical, and tactical limitations are right now, our single biggest limitation is the gap between our two ears"
Rory and Lee are our only two forwards who are really capable of creating their own scores, the rest of them need scores created for them which we were unable to do yesterday
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Replying To ExiledInWex: "It is natural to curse your luck when 2 goals go in but the problem in Wexford is the lack of goal scoring threat at the other. You can score 3 points in a gale and have to work your socks off to get them, some times just get the bloody ball in there and see what the outcome is has a place in the game. Backs hate fast ball and if its coming in fast you have less chance to deal with it. But we needed a goal, why didn't you get 10-12 bodies inside their own 45 and snuff it out? It was naive.
But its done now and on to the next challenge." As regards goal threat Mac, Mogie and Dunbar should all have done better with their chances.
Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 12109 - 22/04/2024 20:54:30
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Replying To Viking66: " Replying To Afinestick96: "[quote=ElGranSenor: "[quote=wexford2012: "Liam griffin has in the past spoken about 'hurling being a way of life' well Last year when we played Kilkenny this never to me felt more visceral, more intense, more real as if that way of life was hanging by a thread. Maybe it was just me but that day felt like we were all stepping into the area, that we would as supporters go above and beyond, cheer, barrack, clap, hoot and hollower - yes weren't on the pitch but we would be that oft spoken about '16th man.'
In marked contrast yesterday in Wexford park the atmosphere was muted, it didn't feel like championship, I don't think there was a single 'Wexford, Wexford chant' which was strange.
I realise I am stepping on dangerous ground as people reacted strongly last year when the county chairman pointed the poor Wexford support being a part of the reason our u20s lost to Offaly in Carlow but I believed at the time he was right and still do.
This sense prompted me to check what research has to tell us and
"One study found that when athletes receive frequent encouragement, effort levels increased by up to 7%. Performing in front of a crowd can also provide a positive distraction from fatigue. Focusing on the crowd and thriving off their atmosphere and energy has been demonstrated to be an effective strategy to help athletes when they are tiring and about to 'hit the wall'."
This article went onto talk about visual aids/stimulus saying:
"Fans often use visual aids flags, banners, etc Visual representations of encouragement can be used to create an atmosphere that influences athletes both physically and psychologically. In fact, it has been found to help boost the physical strength of athletes by up to 8%. This effect was most apparent during high intensity performances, which makes it the perfect strategy for the World Cup."
So please don't get me wrong I'm not blaming supporters but do want to explore something. In post-match analysis yesterday many people I spoke to felt there missing in Wexford, that as a county, despite huge passion, we keep suffering big collapses. You don't see this with the other serious hurling counties. This is bigger than one group of players, bigger than any manager, even bigger than the county board members. We have not won a minor all Ireland since 1968 - 56 years…or even appeared in one since 1985 (39 years). Why is this?
At senior level I believe we suffered significant psychological damage that persists to this day, from the hammers Brian Cody's Kilkenny meted out to us, at some level this is impacting teams to this day. We lack confidence, lack belief, lack real ambition or expectation. Yes, we latch onto any scrape of success but we go from high to low, hero to zero, we're either winning the all-Ireland or we're the worst team in history - we have little ability as a county to maintain perspective. We seem to have excuse after excuse to explain away problems, to numb the pain that facing reality brings.
The conclusion in rather bleak as the scale of the problem appears daunting BUT we have to address it and start making changes." Good post, I know some people on here and elsewhere are maligning the quality of our forwards and wonder where we would be without Chin but I think in terms of ability, we're not as far as behind as some like to make us out to be e.g I'm not sure anyone can say that a trio of TJ Reid-Adrian Mullen-Eoin Cody is that far ahead quality-wise of Chin-ROC-Mac. But where KK are streets ahead of us is that they play every game with intensity whereas we seem only to raise our level on special occasions. No matter how big or small out technical, physical, and tactical limitations are right now, our single biggest limitation is the gap between our two ears"
Really what the OP should've said is that Chin, Rory and Damien would be standout players on a Liam McCarthy team, which all 3 are. All 3 would make any team, including Limericks."]Just wondering who would the 3 lads replace on the Limerick team?
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Replying To Viking66: "Someone should've kicked the ball into the Slaney for that last free in." They'd probably have missed :-)
BarneyGrant (Dublin) - Posts: 2590 - 22/04/2024 21:28:53
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No point in going over the major talking points from Yesterday. We are not in a good place at the moment. Some people alluded to it yesterday, why didn't our half back line use our full forward like they had been used in the league. We reverted back to a laboured short passing game that broke down far too often. I Pitied Casey and Lawlor. Seamus Casey gets ball in hand he is a dangerous forward,nothing came his way, would put Lawlor in the same light. These 2 players showed their worth in the league. This needs to be addressed.
Dublin were a big hard workin team. They are ahead of us in the Teams standings as the last 9 yrs clearly shows they are ahead of Wexford. 3 years no fixtures, Dubs 3 wins to Wexfords 1 and 2 draws, yet everyone thinks we should be beating them handy. Realistically we ain't gonna go far this year with only 2 forwards. They all have to be on the score sheet. Ratings for my team, Fanning 6,S Reck 5 Matthew 6, Donohoe 5 Foley 5 Reck 6 Hearne 5 Foley 4 Liam Og 4 Cathal Dunbar 5 Rory O Connor 7, Lee Chin 8 Casey 4. We need more ball going to Casey. Going forwar
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Replying To Purpleandgold72: ""Lucky three years in a row"..?? Hardly. It takes two to tango and let's face it, Wexford have been the architects of their own downfall against Dublin over the last three years. Missed penalties, awful wides, missed goal chances, over fouling etc etc. You cannot put any of those defeats down to Dublin getting lucky. We have just not been good enough and to hide behind excuses like bad luck is not going to help Wexford hurling. It's just a copout." Your right we've been architects of our own downfall but surely there's luck to relying on your opposition missing guilt edged chances, saying Dublin were lucky doesn't automatically mean we were unlucky btw.
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Replying To Viking66: "As regards goal threat Mac, Mogie and Dunbar should all have done better with their chances." Mac and Cian Byrne must be nailed on starters against Antrim. Can't see both Casey and Lawlor holding their place. We need more punch up front and we need to score goals. We should be capable of winning comfortably but the safrons won't fear us. It's on their ground which is small and tight which will suit them.
None of the so called weaker counties will believe that they are not in with a chance of beating us on home turf.
After last Sunday ts very obvious that we need a commanding figure in our defence.
Liam Ryan if fit is essential at full back.
They won't have the same goal threat as Dublin had but I have no doubt that they will throw everything at us in front of their vocal home support.
Magpie2 (Wexford) - Posts: 286 - 23/04/2024 01:07:00
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Replying To BarneyGrant: "They'd probably have missed :-)" Good one Barney:-D
Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 12109 - 23/04/2024 07:24:49
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Replying To ElGranSenor: " Replying To Afinestick96: "[quote=ElGranSenor: "[quote=wexford2012: "Liam griffin has in the past spoken about 'hurling being a way of life' well Last year when we played Kilkenny this never to me felt more visceral, more intense, more real as if that way of life was hanging by a thread. Maybe it was just me but that day felt like we were all stepping into the area, that we would as supporters go above and beyond, cheer, barrack, clap, hoot and hollower - yes weren't on the pitch but we would be that oft spoken about '16th man.'
In marked contrast yesterday in Wexford park the atmosphere was muted, it didn't feel like championship, I don't think there was a single 'Wexford, Wexford chant' which was strange.
I realise I am stepping on dangerous ground as people reacted strongly last year when the county chairman pointed the poor Wexford support being a part of the reason our u20s lost to Offaly in Carlow but I believed at the time he was right and still do.
This sense prompted me to check what research has to tell us and
"One study found that when athletes receive frequent encouragement, effort levels increased by up to 7%. Performing in front of a crowd can also provide a positive distraction from fatigue. Focusing on the crowd and thriving off their atmosphere and energy has been demonstrated to be an effective strategy to help athletes when they are tiring and about to 'hit the wall'."
This article went onto talk about visual aids/stimulus saying:
"Fans often use visual aids flags, banners, etc Visual representations of encouragement can be used to create an atmosphere that influences athletes both physically and psychologically. In fact, it has been found to help boost the physical strength of athletes by up to 8%. This effect was most apparent during high intensity performances, which makes it the perfect strategy for the World Cup."
So please don't get me wrong I'm not blaming supporters but do want to explore something. In post-match analysis yesterday many people I spoke to felt there missing in Wexford, that as a county, despite huge passion, we keep suffering big collapses. You don't see this with the other serious hurling counties. This is bigger than one group of players, bigger than any manager, even bigger than the county board members. We have not won a minor all Ireland since 1968 - 56 years…or even appeared in one since 1985 (39 years). Why is this?
At senior level I believe we suffered significant psychological damage that persists to this day, from the hammers Brian Cody's Kilkenny meted out to us, at some level this is impacting teams to this day. We lack confidence, lack belief, lack real ambition or expectation. Yes, we latch onto any scrape of success but we go from high to low, hero to zero, we're either winning the all-Ireland or we're the worst team in history - we have little ability as a county to maintain perspective. We seem to have excuse after excuse to explain away problems, to numb the pain that facing reality brings.
The conclusion in rather bleak as the scale of the problem appears daunting BUT we have to address it and start making changes." Good post, I know some people on here and elsewhere are maligning the quality of our forwards and wonder where we would be without Chin but I think in terms of ability, we're not as far as behind as some like to make us out to be e.g I'm not sure anyone can say that a trio of TJ Reid-Adrian Mullen-Eoin Cody is that far ahead quality-wise of Chin-ROC-Mac. But where KK are streets ahead of us is that they play every game with intensity whereas we seem only to raise our level on special occasions. No matter how big or small out technical, physical, and tactical limitations are right now, our single biggest limitation is the gap between our two ears"
Rory and Lee are our only two forwards who are really capable of creating their own scores, the rest of them need scores created for them which we were unable to do yesterday"]Hearne, Byrne, Mac and Dunbar all created their own scores too.
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Replying To Afinestick96: "I agree we should just be happy to scrape through to the All Ireland Series in third place . We are capable of beating Galway or Kilkenny if we get likes of Jippo and Jacko back on the field and everyone playing to their ability. We firstly need a good performance on Saturday to get ourselves back in the running." Jacko was a reserve for Sunday
Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 12109 - 23/04/2024 07:33:11
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Replying To Tox73: "No point in going over the major talking points from Yesterday. We are not in a good place at the moment. Some people alluded to it yesterday, why didn't our half back line use our full forward like they had been used in the league. We reverted back to a laboured short passing game that broke down far too often. I Pitied Casey and Lawlor. Seamus Casey gets ball in hand he is a dangerous forward,nothing came his way, would put Lawlor in the same light. These 2 players showed their worth in the league. This needs to be addressed.
Dublin were a big hard workin team. They are ahead of us in the Teams standings as the last 9 yrs clearly shows they are ahead of Wexford. 3 years no fixtures, Dubs 3 wins to Wexfords 1 and 2 draws, yet everyone thinks we should be beating them handy. Realistically we ain't gonna go far this year with only 2 forwards. They all have to be on the score sheet. Ratings for my team, Fanning 6,S Reck 5 Matthew 6, Donohoe 5 Foley 5 Reck 6 Hearne 5 Foley 4 Liam Og 4 Cathal Dunbar 5 Rory O Connor 7, Lee Chin 8 Casey 4. We need more ball going to Casey. Going forwar" Just an interesting point on our squad being deeper this year- 9 of the lads who started our last Championship game of the year last year against Kilkenny didn't start our 1st of this year against Dublin. All of those 9 except Ian Carty who is in Australia are still on the panel this year. Its not all doom and gloom.
Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 12109 - 23/04/2024 08:31:03
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Replying To Viking66: "Jacko was a reserve for Sunday" If jacko was dropped to the reserves for our biggest game of the year while we persist with players that have very, very limited hurling ability then we are going nowhere this year.
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