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Replying To cavanman47:  "Did Glen not have an attacking opportunity in the final minute?

When Crokes put a 16th man on the field who went in and defended the goal area. ."
I can never understand how teams make mistakes like this nowadays, there is so many fellas on the side line or maybe that adds to the confusion, the game is 15 a side, it's simple enough to understand I think.

Tirchonaill1 (Donegal) - Posts: 2777 - 16/11/2023 13:54:51    2513353

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Replying To cavanman47:  "Did Glen not have an attacking opportunity in the final minute?

When Crokes put a 16th man on the field who went in and defended the goal area. ."
Didn't sound like he even watched the game

FoolsGold (Cavan) - Posts: 2763 - 16/11/2023 14:06:52    2513355

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Replying To cavanman47:  "Did Glen not have an attacking opportunity in the final minute?

When Crokes put a 16th man on the field who went in and defended the goal area. ."
That's not quite what happened at all. As you well know. Crokes did not deliberately put an extra man on the field to defend the free.

BarneyGrant (Dublin) - Posts: 2651 - 16/11/2023 15:31:20    2513374

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Replying To BarneyGrant:  "That's not quite what happened at all. As you well know. Crokes did not deliberately put an extra man on the field to defend the free."
The certainly did.

ORIELMAN85 (Monaghan) - Posts: 138 - 16/11/2023 20:41:59    2513417

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Predictions for this week…..

Senior
Naomh Conaill v Glen - Naomh Conaill by 1
Scotstown v Trillick - Scotstown by 4

Intermediate
Glenullin v Ballyhaise - Ballyhaise by 5
Liatroim v Cullyhanna - Liatroim by 1

Junior
Arva v Blackhill - Blackhill by 2

veterngaa (Monaghan) - Posts: 405 - 20/11/2023 14:08:16    2513876

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Surprised to see that the Glen v Kilmacud game is featuring so heavily in this thread but not surprised that there are some very strong opinions being expressed about that game. It's important to remember that opinions, however many times they are repeated, are not facts and imagining something in your head, no matter how many times, doesn't make it true. So, here are some facts to complement the opinions expressed with some monotony, by a couple of posters.


1. Trailing by five points and with only one point on the scoreboard, Kilmacud were wrongly awarded a penalty in the 16th minute. It's a matter of opinion whether there was a foul but it is a fact that any "foul" that occurred did so outside the box. The subsequent furore seems to have clouded that fact.


2. Kilmacud breached the rules (6.44) by having 16 active players on the pitch defending the last minute 45. . It's a matter of conjecture whether this was deliberate or not. It is simply impossible to know one way or the other, or to state with certainty that they didn't. It is a fact that the vast majority of club and county management teams manage the routine procedure of substitution in a way to ensure that these rules aren't breached.

3. A game is not over until the referee or timekeeper deems it to be over. With a margin of two points between the teams, Glen had one last opportunity to win the game from a 45 - not a free as one poster with an apparently unimpeachable recollection of the game has stated. It's worth noting that this 45 resulted from a missed open goal opportunity, which if converted would have seen Glen take the lead. Any reasonable person would therefore conclude that the outcome was very much in the balance right until the end.

4. Following the game, Glen sought clarification from the GAA about the breach of rules which had occurred in the closing moments of the game. The GAA informed Glen that without an official objection it would not review the matter.
Glen were given until Wednesday afternoon (25 January) to lodge an appeal, and duly did so on Tuesday 24th. On Tuesday 31st January the CCCC ordered a replay of the game. Kilmacud subsequently raised a counter appeal, but not before a number of media outlets quoted sources indicating that Kilmacud had no appetite for a potential replay and that "they would sooner return the cup than play the game again." On 3rd February, Glen withdrew their appeal stating: "Due to the ongoing proceedings we as a club now do not believe the conditions exist for a replay to be contested."

It's a fact that there were three protaganists in this saga: Glen, Kilmacud and the GAA. Unlike their opponents, Glen did not breach any rules nor did they waste anyone's time. This mess arose because of Kilmacud's failure to manage their substitutions properly and the GAA's inability to deal with the issue promptly. It's ridiculous that a number of pundits and social media commentators who will rant about "too many steps" were more than happy to ignore this flagrant breach of rules. Even more ridiculous is their propensity to absolve Kilmacud of all responsibility and transfer the blame for the fall out to Glen.

5. I'm quite sure no one in Kilmacud lost any sleep and that they enjoyed their moment. Ensuring they didn't lose another final to a last minute goal, getting a penalty that they shouldn't have just when it was needed, breaching the most basic rules of the game and ultimately avoiding any censure, well what's not to enjoy? It's a fact that money doesn't buy class. 

Let the meltdown begin.

BánAgusDearg (Derry) - Posts: 3 - 20/11/2023 16:00:59    2513893

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Glen and Croke's are due to meet in all-ireland semi-final if everything works out. Will be a massive game. I'd imagine that it could be in Breffni park as well so a possible advantage for the Derry and Ulster champions.

ryan (Donegal) - Posts: 728 - 20/11/2023 20:50:18    2513931

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Replying To ryan:  "Glen and Croke's are due to meet in all-ireland semi-final if everything works out. Will be a massive game. I'd imagine that it could be in Breffni park as well so a possible advantage for the Derry and Ulster champions."
Maybe that it's an Ulster venue but bar the Derry players for Glen I don't think the others played in Breffni.

Glen have work to do yet, NC will be a slog. scotsown should beat Trillick. It would be an interesting final.

FoolsGold (Cavan) - Posts: 2763 - 20/11/2023 22:27:43    2513944

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Replying To BánAgusDearg:  "Surprised to see that the Glen v Kilmacud game is featuring so heavily in this thread but not surprised that there are some very strong opinions being expressed about that game. It's important to remember that opinions, however many times they are repeated, are not facts and imagining something in your head, no matter how many times, doesn't make it true. So, here are some facts to complement the opinions expressed with some monotony, by a couple of posters.


1. Trailing by five points and with only one point on the scoreboard, Kilmacud were wrongly awarded a penalty in the 16th minute. It's a matter of opinion whether there was a foul but it is a fact that any "foul" that occurred did so outside the box. The subsequent furore seems to have clouded that fact.


2. Kilmacud breached the rules (6.44) by having 16 active players on the pitch defending the last minute 45. . It's a matter of conjecture whether this was deliberate or not. It is simply impossible to know one way or the other, or to state with certainty that they didn't. It is a fact that the vast majority of club and county management teams manage the routine procedure of substitution in a way to ensure that these rules aren't breached.

3. A game is not over until the referee or timekeeper deems it to be over. With a margin of two points between the teams, Glen had one last opportunity to win the game from a 45 - not a free as one poster with an apparently unimpeachable recollection of the game has stated. It's worth noting that this 45 resulted from a missed open goal opportunity, which if converted would have seen Glen take the lead. Any reasonable person would therefore conclude that the outcome was very much in the balance right until the end.

4. Following the game, Glen sought clarification from the GAA about the breach of rules which had occurred in the closing moments of the game. The GAA informed Glen that without an official objection it would not review the matter.
Glen were given until Wednesday afternoon (25 January) to lodge an appeal, and duly did so on Tuesday 24th. On Tuesday 31st January the CCCC ordered a replay of the game. Kilmacud subsequently raised a counter appeal, but not before a number of media outlets quoted sources indicating that Kilmacud had no appetite for a potential replay and that "they would sooner return the cup than play the game again." On 3rd February, Glen withdrew their appeal stating: "Due to the ongoing proceedings we as a club now do not believe the conditions exist for a replay to be contested."

It's a fact that there were three protaganists in this saga: Glen, Kilmacud and the GAA. Unlike their opponents, Glen did not breach any rules nor did they waste anyone's time. This mess arose because of Kilmacud's failure to manage their substitutions properly and the GAA's inability to deal with the issue promptly. It's ridiculous that a number of pundits and social media commentators who will rant about "too many steps" were more than happy to ignore this flagrant breach of rules. Even more ridiculous is their propensity to absolve Kilmacud of all responsibility and transfer the blame for the fall out to Glen.

5. I'm quite sure no one in Kilmacud lost any sleep and that they enjoyed their moment. Ensuring they didn't lose another final to a last minute goal, getting a penalty that they shouldn't have just when it was needed, breaching the most basic rules of the game and ultimately avoiding any censure, well what's not to enjoy? It's a fact that money doesn't buy class. 

Let the meltdown begin."
A lot of words, when "it's not fair" would have sufficed.

Give up your oul whinging. It has never gotten youse anywhere, in anything.

BarneyGrant (Dublin) - Posts: 2651 - 20/11/2023 23:57:41    2513949

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Replying To BánAgusDearg:  "Surprised to see that the Glen v Kilmacud game is featuring so heavily in this thread but not surprised that there are some very strong opinions being expressed about that game. It's important to remember that opinions, however many times they are repeated, are not facts and imagining something in your head, no matter how many times, doesn't make it true. So, here are some facts to complement the opinions expressed with some monotony, by a couple of posters.


1. Trailing by five points and with only one point on the scoreboard, Kilmacud were wrongly awarded a penalty in the 16th minute. It's a matter of opinion whether there was a foul but it is a fact that any "foul" that occurred did so outside the box. The subsequent furore seems to have clouded that fact.


2. Kilmacud breached the rules (6.44) by having 16 active players on the pitch defending the last minute 45. . It's a matter of conjecture whether this was deliberate or not. It is simply impossible to know one way or the other, or to state with certainty that they didn't. It is a fact that the vast majority of club and county management teams manage the routine procedure of substitution in a way to ensure that these rules aren't breached.

3. A game is not over until the referee or timekeeper deems it to be over. With a margin of two points between the teams, Glen had one last opportunity to win the game from a 45 - not a free as one poster with an apparently unimpeachable recollection of the game has stated. It's worth noting that this 45 resulted from a missed open goal opportunity, which if converted would have seen Glen take the lead. Any reasonable person would therefore conclude that the outcome was very much in the balance right until the end.

4. Following the game, Glen sought clarification from the GAA about the breach of rules which had occurred in the closing moments of the game. The GAA informed Glen that without an official objection it would not review the matter.
Glen were given until Wednesday afternoon (25 January) to lodge an appeal, and duly did so on Tuesday 24th. On Tuesday 31st January the CCCC ordered a replay of the game. Kilmacud subsequently raised a counter appeal, but not before a number of media outlets quoted sources indicating that Kilmacud had no appetite for a potential replay and that "they would sooner return the cup than play the game again." On 3rd February, Glen withdrew their appeal stating: "Due to the ongoing proceedings we as a club now do not believe the conditions exist for a replay to be contested."

It's a fact that there were three protaganists in this saga: Glen, Kilmacud and the GAA. Unlike their opponents, Glen did not breach any rules nor did they waste anyone's time. This mess arose because of Kilmacud's failure to manage their substitutions properly and the GAA's inability to deal with the issue promptly. It's ridiculous that a number of pundits and social media commentators who will rant about "too many steps" were more than happy to ignore this flagrant breach of rules. Even more ridiculous is their propensity to absolve Kilmacud of all responsibility and transfer the blame for the fall out to Glen.

5. I'm quite sure no one in Kilmacud lost any sleep and that they enjoyed their moment. Ensuring they didn't lose another final to a last minute goal, getting a penalty that they shouldn't have just when it was needed, breaching the most basic rules of the game and ultimately avoiding any censure, well what's not to enjoy? It's a fact that money doesn't buy class. 

Let the meltdown begin."
Kilmacud's victory will always have an asterik in most people's minds.

ORIELMAN85 (Monaghan) - Posts: 138 - 21/11/2023 00:09:20    2513952

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Replying To ryan:  "Glen and Croke's are due to meet in all-ireland semi-final if everything works out. Will be a massive game. I'd imagine that it could be in Breffni park as well so a possible advantage for the Derry and Ulster champions."
In the name of God,what advantage would Glen have in Breffni Park. Doubt they have ever played in it.

ORIELMAN85 (Monaghan) - Posts: 138 - 21/11/2023 00:11:10    2513954

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Replying To ryan:  "Glen and Croke's are due to meet in all-ireland semi-final if everything works out. Will be a massive game. I'd imagine that it could be in Breffni park as well so a possible advantage for the Derry and Ulster champions."
Naomh Conaill and Scotstown /Trillick will have something to say about that

veterngaa (Monaghan) - Posts: 405 - 21/11/2023 08:23:23    2513963

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Replying To ORIELMAN85:  "Kilmacud's victory will always have an asterik in most people's minds."
Only in the minds of bitter people who hate Dublin, for no reason really. No sane person believes that Glen would have won had the mix up not happened, Technically a replay was right call, but that was a "technical" decision. No one was claiming that it cost Glen the match, not even Glen.

BarneyGrant (Dublin) - Posts: 2651 - 21/11/2023 11:22:22    2513995

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Replying To ryan:  "Glen and Croke's are due to meet in all-ireland semi-final if everything works out. Will be a massive game. I'd imagine that it could be in Breffni park as well so a possible advantage for the Derry and Ulster champions."
Thanks very much for that update "ryan". It save us bothering going to Omagh on Saturday evening.......

Scenicparish (Donegal) - Posts: 301 - 21/11/2023 11:54:24    2514003

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Replying To Scenicparish:  "Thanks very much for that update "ryan". It save us bothering going to Omagh on Saturday evening......."
Should be a great game. Hopefully Naomh Conaill perform because they will give them a right rattle

veterngaa (Monaghan) - Posts: 405 - 21/11/2023 12:21:11    2514008

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Senior
Trillick (Tyrone) v Scotstown (Monaghan) - Scotstown by 1
Glen (Derry) v Glenties (Donegal) - Glen by 5

Intermediate
Ballyhaise (Cavan) v Glenullin (Derry) - Ballyhaise by 4
Liatroim (Down) v St Patricks (Armagh) - Cullyhanna by 5

Junior
Arva v Blackhill - Arva by 1

drumalee11 (USA) - Posts: 291 - 21/11/2023 12:47:36    2514013

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Replying To ryan:  "Glen and Croke's are due to meet in all-ireland semi-final if everything works out. Will be a massive game. I'd imagine that it could be in Breffni park as well so a possible advantage for the Derry and Ulster champions."
cavan is closer to dublin

Whestofthewest (Clare) - Posts: 159 - 21/11/2023 13:05:50    2514015

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Replying To BánAgusDearg:  "Surprised to see that the Glen v Kilmacud game is featuring so heavily in this thread but not surprised that there are some very strong opinions being expressed about that game. It's important to remember that opinions, however many times they are repeated, are not facts and imagining something in your head, no matter how many times, doesn't make it true. So, here are some facts to complement the opinions expressed with some monotony, by a couple of posters.


1. Trailing by five points and with only one point on the scoreboard, Kilmacud were wrongly awarded a penalty in the 16th minute. It's a matter of opinion whether there was a foul but it is a fact that any "foul" that occurred did so outside the box. The subsequent furore seems to have clouded that fact.


2. Kilmacud breached the rules (6.44) by having 16 active players on the pitch defending the last minute 45. . It's a matter of conjecture whether this was deliberate or not. It is simply impossible to know one way or the other, or to state with certainty that they didn't. It is a fact that the vast majority of club and county management teams manage the routine procedure of substitution in a way to ensure that these rules aren't breached.

3. A game is not over until the referee or timekeeper deems it to be over. With a margin of two points between the teams, Glen had one last opportunity to win the game from a 45 - not a free as one poster with an apparently unimpeachable recollection of the game has stated. It's worth noting that this 45 resulted from a missed open goal opportunity, which if converted would have seen Glen take the lead. Any reasonable person would therefore conclude that the outcome was very much in the balance right until the end.

4. Following the game, Glen sought clarification from the GAA about the breach of rules which had occurred in the closing moments of the game. The GAA informed Glen that without an official objection it would not review the matter.
Glen were given until Wednesday afternoon (25 January) to lodge an appeal, and duly did so on Tuesday 24th. On Tuesday 31st January the CCCC ordered a replay of the game. Kilmacud subsequently raised a counter appeal, but not before a number of media outlets quoted sources indicating that Kilmacud had no appetite for a potential replay and that "they would sooner return the cup than play the game again." On 3rd February, Glen withdrew their appeal stating: "Due to the ongoing proceedings we as a club now do not believe the conditions exist for a replay to be contested."

It's a fact that there were three protaganists in this saga: Glen, Kilmacud and the GAA. Unlike their opponents, Glen did not breach any rules nor did they waste anyone's time. This mess arose because of Kilmacud's failure to manage their substitutions properly and the GAA's inability to deal with the issue promptly. It's ridiculous that a number of pundits and social media commentators who will rant about "too many steps" were more than happy to ignore this flagrant breach of rules. Even more ridiculous is their propensity to absolve Kilmacud of all responsibility and transfer the blame for the fall out to Glen.

5. I'm quite sure no one in Kilmacud lost any sleep and that they enjoyed their moment. Ensuring they didn't lose another final to a last minute goal, getting a penalty that they shouldn't have just when it was needed, breaching the most basic rules of the game and ultimately avoiding any censure, well what's not to enjoy? It's a fact that money doesn't buy class. 

Let the meltdown begin."
poor old Glen

The ref made an error in not allowing the substitution to be completed, when Glen were clearly looking to go quickly. They could have done the honourable thing but they chose to play the victim. get a grip

Kingcon (Dublin) - Posts: 14 - 21/11/2023 13:25:40    2514017

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Replying To Whestofthewest:  "cavan is closer to dublin"
Clones or Armagh be a more central destination.

drumalee11 (USA) - Posts: 291 - 21/11/2023 14:43:54    2514034

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Replying To ORIELMAN85:  "In the name of God,what advantage would Glen have in Breffni Park. Doubt they have ever played in it."
I would say they would prefer to play at an ulster venue than playing a Dublin team in Croke Park. Maybe I am wrong though.

ryan (Donegal) - Posts: 728 - 21/11/2023 15:12:03    2514037

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