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https://www.bbc.com/sport/rugby-union/67263233 This is the opta team of the world cup. Based purely on individual players opta stats. Still only 1 South African. Absolutely mad! Great team performance I guess. Is there an official World Rugby team of the World Cup? Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 12114 - 01/11/2023 09:36:28 2511130 Link 0 |
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That's grand but stats are not always the whole story. Depends on opposition, minutes on pitch etc.
TheFlaker (Mayo) - Posts: 7908 - 01/11/2023 10:03:01 2511132 Link 2 |
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It could just prove what a pile of rubbish stats in sport are and that that they can be used to "prove" anything.
dolfos (Longford) - Posts: 110 - 01/11/2023 10:07:17 2511134 Link 0 |
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You said this- "Half a million people lined Dublin to welcome back the soccer team in 1990,, hardly any comparison to the rugby team this year in fairness." Being as the rugby lads refused the offer of a homecoming that statement is nonsense. Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 12114 - 01/11/2023 10:22:41 2511137 Link 0 |
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Something to be factored in is SA with all their shenanigans don't have their actual head coach ( Rassie) listed as this and instead its Nienaber who is officially the head coach.
TerribleFootwork (Wexford) - Posts: 1760 - 01/11/2023 10:37:31 2511143 Link 0 |
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Erasmus is Director of Rugby which is more like a manager/administrator. Nienaber is head coach. We will get to see how good or not Nienaber is close up, as he is replacing Lancaster as Senior coach at Leinster.
Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 12114 - 01/11/2023 10:52:30 2511148 Link 0 |
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Not at all. If our players were as superior as you're suggesting, they'd very likely have won the world cup.
Pope_Benedict (Galway) - Posts: 3478 - 01/11/2023 11:06:42 2511152 Link 0 |
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I know there official roles but could see in the England SA game when they showed the coaching box who was the head of the operation, Nienaber is a great signing for Leinster, defence seems to be something he's particularly strong on.
TerribleFootwork (Wexford) - Posts: 1760 - 01/11/2023 12:01:39 2511158 Link 0 |
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I understand your point, however if the dream team was picked at any time up to and including the Scotland game we would have more than 7 players on it, the call for full time in one game deprived us of victory against NZ, It's not an excuse for losing rather the reason. I only hope Andy Farrell stays with the Ireland rugby team. supersub15 (Carlow) - Posts: 2910 - 01/11/2023 12:30:49 2511160 Link 3 |
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Do players train their guts out to make a dream team or to win world cups? I'd say the latter. Simply not good enough when it really counts.
Saynothing (Tyrone) - Posts: 2018 - 01/11/2023 14:56:16 2511172 Link 2 |
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Hurling definitely, Gaelic Football no as that is nowhere near a skilful game these days. Main proviso these days for Gaelic Football is can you run up and down a pitch for 75 mins, pass a ball laterally and backwards, if you can pass it forward then you are probably in the skilful bracket. You also have no idea what you are taking about if you think there is no skill in rugby, some of the top players in rugby are more skilful than any Gaelic or soccer player.
gilly1910 (Galway) - Posts: 170 - 01/11/2023 15:15:10 2511181 Link 1 |
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I couldn't agree more, I love all sports and in particular hurling, rugby and association football. I can't stand this begrudgery and in particular from GAA supporters who constantly bemoan the threat from other sports, the fact that rugby has two anthems, the fact that shock/horror some of the players went to private schools. It's actually quite sad that in this day and age there is probably a sizeable amount of GAA supporters out there who probably wish the ban was still in place, or that young people only played GAA sports. Fact of the matter is that rugby is an International game albeit on a small scale, whereas GAA has no international footprint, so Ireland doing well at rugby should always supercede local games. Much and all as I love Galway hurling (even if they do drive me demented) I would have still taken Ireland winning the World Cup over the Galway hurlers winning an All Ireland, as something that big brings great joy to the entire county, instead of just one county out of 32. At the end of the day nobody is forcing anybody to like or follow rugby, but this begrudgery and bordering on hatred for rugby is nothing short of pathetic.
gilly1910 (Galway) - Posts: 170 - 01/11/2023 15:45:11 2511187 Link 3 |
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They weren't far away from it. If you replayed it this week maybe they would win it. You aren't talking about a team like Limerick in hurling. Or even Dublin and Kerry in football this year. They were 1 of 4 teams that had an even chance of winning. And ended up being 1 of the 3 that didn't win it. Same as France and NZ.
Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 12114 - 01/11/2023 15:51:40 2511189 Link 0 |
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Theres more hurling teams competing for Connacht championships than there are countries competing for the egg chasing world cup The_DOC (Galway) - Posts: 710 - 01/11/2023 15:51:44 2511190 Link 0 |
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No value whatsoever to this thread, also your brutal at maths, their was more competitors in the world cup final alone than the Connacht hurling championship.
TerribleFootwork (Wexford) - Posts: 1760 - 01/11/2023 16:12:40 2511194 Link 1 |
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You are not a Rugby fan then?
Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 12114 - 01/11/2023 16:16:08 2511196 Link 2 |
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Exactly, which is why Carlow putting 7 of them on 'the dream team' was a nonsense.
Pope_Benedict (Galway) - Posts: 3478 - 01/11/2023 16:23:10 2511197 Link 0 |
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I suggest you misread my post, read the first 4 lines again.
supersub15 (Carlow) - Posts: 2910 - 01/11/2023 16:45:09 2511199 Link 0 |
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A lot of it is down to insecurity. They feel inadequate so they'll attack first. It wouldn't be allowed if there were 15 or 20 schools churning out brilliant soccer players for a successful senior soccer team. Although, the same people would find a reason to whinge about that as well. Anyway, one of the biggest threats to Gaa will come from within. The increasingly bad behaviour is going to turn people off sending their kids to Gaa. It doesn't even have to get to the level of an incident going viral. The nastiness that's becoming more and more prevalent at virtually all levels will turn people away. I suspect some of the contributors to this forum would describe it as passion or pride in the parish. They need to get out of said parish a little bit more and stop howling at the moon. ThePowerhouse (Leitrim) - Posts: 106 - 01/11/2023 16:47:08 2511200 Link 1 |
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In South Africa's case they go hand in hand, ie they can't have one without the other. Although three of their games were only won by 1 point irrespective of how they trained.
supersub15 (Carlow) - Posts: 2910 - 01/11/2023 17:23:56 2511210 Link 0 |