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Replying To Pope_Benedict:  "Sky aren't the only example of doing it well either. TG4 were 'flipping' 3or4 and maybe more NFL games simultaneously earlier this season, with real time league table updates, to keep everyone fully abreast of how the relegation/promotion battles were brewing to a finish. TG4 do GAA coverage superbly well of course. Last Sunday's coverage of the 'group situations' was an opportunity missed by The Sunday Game to cover the story well."
Very well said. I couldn't agree more.

Greengrass (Louth) - Posts: 6031 - 24/06/2023 12:07:32    2488778

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Replying To Midleton:  "I forgot to answer your question, but you pick up on this because you can't dispute my points.

Let's see: what was your question?

"What should RTE and the GAA be doing differently, do you think, on current budget ?"

Is that your question? It has nothing much to do with the issue at hand.

I think the GAA should not be putting its games behind a paywall, if their intention is to promote them. If their only intention is to make money, then let the GAA become fully professional.

RTE is the national broadcaster. It should not be charging its customers extra on top of its license fee. It also earns revenue from advertisements. After all those years, the BBC stills runs on its license fee alone. I see that just lately questions are being asked as to how RTE spends some of its money.

You're tone deaf, aren't you? People who have been independent all their lives don't want to be beholden to anyone. But you seem not to understand that, so there is little point in me repeating it, I suppose."
You are clueless if you think the BBC runs on its licence fee alone.
it makes billions from its commercial arm
Its GAA go that has to be paid for not RTE. RTE are partners in it but theyre not the sole providers of the coverage.

KillingFields (Limerick) - Posts: 3516 - 24/06/2023 12:09:41    2488779

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Replying To Greenfield:  "I don't think that stacks up.

The Late Late Show is RTE's flagship show in the primetime Friday night slot. Advertisers would be paying top dollar for that show, and have done in the past no matter who is presenting it. Tubridy offers nothing in that regard that many others wouldn't and indeed viewership figures were higher for Tommy Tiernan's show at one stage last year.

It's like people justifying the royal family in the UK because they bring in a lot of tourists. People would still go even if they weren't there. There hasn't been a royal family in over 200 years yet tourists still flock to Versailles to see the palace.

Tubridy's attempt to distance himself from this is the kind of snide behaviour I would have expected from him and makes a mockery of his statements about taking pay cuts over the last few years."
I'm not defending Tubridy,though I don't mind him. Would rarely watch the Late Late, it's tedious. But the odd time listen to his radio show cos he's a bit more positive to listen to than Kenny who'll row with anyone with a different opinion to his own. Apparently Ray D'Arcy is in the same bracket as Tubridy, brings in more sponsorship and ad revenue than his salary. But my Dad who's 85 loves D'Arcy on the radio. I'm not a fan of Kenny or D'Arcy but radio seems to be at the stage where you listen to someone because the rest are awful, some rattling out PC Woke clickbait nonsense. Each to their own Greenfield. I don't understand why the Late Late remains so popular and as you say probably will do no matter who presents it. But he got the gig so he should be paid for it. I think he retired because he knew this overpayment story was going to break so jumped ship because they told him to. He shouldn't be snide to anyone, thank his blessings and apologise. That's not gonna happen.

GreenandRed (Mayo) - Posts: 7376 - 24/06/2023 12:24:20    2488785

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Replying To Midleton:  "I forgot to answer your question, but you pick up on this because you can't dispute my points.

Let's see: what was your question?

"What should RTE and the GAA be doing differently, do you think, on current budget ?"

Is that your question? It has nothing much to do with the issue at hand.

I think the GAA should not be putting its games behind a paywall, if their intention is to promote them. If their only intention is to make money, then let the GAA become fully professional.

RTE is the national broadcaster. It should not be charging its customers extra on top of its license fee. It also earns revenue from advertisements. After all those years, the BBC stills runs on its license fee alone. I see that just lately questions are being asked as to how RTE spends some of its money.

You're tone deaf, aren't you? People who have been independent all their lives don't want to be beholden to anyone. But you seem not to understand that, so there is little point in me repeating it, I suppose."
Not sure your comparison to the BBC is a particularly valid or even wise one.

The BBC has several subscriptions services in the UK as well as their free-to-air TV: BBC History, BBC Food, etc.

And how much live coverage do they have of the UK national sports of cricket and soccer?

Pikeman96 (Wexford) - Posts: 2258 - 24/06/2023 12:53:58    2488791

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Replying To slayer:  "Was the shed used to install any aerial or satellite dish? If not then how is it relevant to the thread? Well done by the way, no mean feat. Was your neighbour Bob by any chance?

In this thread I actually think Midleton is spot on. Couldn't agree more."
You don't understand the relevance? The relevance is that it's not automatically insulting for a person to have to ask for help and advice in doing something they haven't done before.

I didn't feel insulted by having to ask the neighbour for advice on how to re-roof the shed. Similarly, anybody who needs help or advice in learning how to stream a match online shouldn't feel insulted by having to ask for that help or advice either.

Neighbour's name is actually Bill, by the way. Highly recommended if you ever need anything done. Not sure he'd travel as far as Limerick for a job, though.

Pikeman96 (Wexford) - Posts: 2258 - 24/06/2023 12:57:29    2488792

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Are you sure you're not from Cavan?

Neartheborder (Derry) - Posts: 56 - 24/06/2023 13:19:23    2488797

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Replying To Midleton:  "Most new enterprises don't make very much money at the start. Some are even prepared to lose it on the promise of reward down the road. I'm sure you've noticed how every new offer is "for the first 12 months". Slowly, over time, the price increases. The user has got comfortable and doesn't like changing. I've been with the Sky basic package since I don't know when. The price has slowly increased as the package has got smaller. Most of it is rubbish, anyway. I've occasionally though about changing, but that's all I've done. I did change my electricity supplier recently because they were blatant about overcharging. After telling me that my latest bill was over 600 euros for the two month; after I switched, they sent me the "real" bill for 100 euros. They have a very low opinion of their customer's intelligence."
Look I hear you.

I've serious issues with the fragmentation of the television market place and how you have to have subscriptions to 5 to 10 different platforms to not miss things that you want to see. It's definitely not out of the goodness of their hearts that this is how this industry has evolved.

Still I'm not sure this is what's going on here.

If the games need to be behind a paywall to bring them in close to cost I don't have an issue with it as the games wouldn't be available anywhere anyway. There's only so much capacity and demand external partners will have for these games.

If at some point I were to see a large profit being taken in I'd be very disappointed. Yes much of it gets redistributed back into the game but still it'd probably be taking money away that may have gone to the club game directly.

So I do understand your concerns but I don't think that it's as black and white as "behind a paywall" is clearly wrong or the GAA trying to take advantage of their patrons.

Whammo86 (Antrim) - Posts: 4247 - 24/06/2023 14:32:24    2488805

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Replying To Midleton:  "I forgot to answer your question, but you pick up on this because you can't dispute my points.

Let's see: what was your question?

"What should RTE and the GAA be doing differently, do you think, on current budget ?"

Is that your question? It has nothing much to do with the issue at hand.

I think the GAA should not be putting its games behind a paywall, if their intention is to promote them. If their only intention is to make money, then let the GAA become fully professional.

RTE is the national broadcaster. It should not be charging its customers extra on top of its license fee. It also earns revenue from advertisements. After all those years, the BBC stills runs on its license fee alone. I see that just lately questions are being asked as to how RTE spends some of its money.

You're tone deaf, aren't you? People who have been independent all their lives don't want to be beholden to anyone. But you seem not to understand that, so there is little point in me repeating it, I suppose."
So may assumptions, so few answers. No-one should pay for an obsolete 61 year old TV licence. We pay more than enough in VAT on broadcasting streaming connection and broadcast devices. But you think that paying that €160 is not a paywall? If you don't pay for GAAGO you won't face the threat of prison.

You talk about 'they' and they 'can't'. Some of them can and do. You connected to Hoganstand and can post and add links so you're technical. You could show some of 'they' some technical stuff but you won't because you'd rather whinge about the situation rather than try and improve it.

GreenandRed (Mayo) - Posts: 7376 - 24/06/2023 19:41:27    2488891

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Replying To Midleton:  "I forgot to answer your question, but you pick up on this because you can't dispute my points.

Let's see: what was your question?

"What should RTE and the GAA be doing differently, do you think, on current budget ?"

Is that your question? It has nothing much to do with the issue at hand.

I think the GAA should not be putting its games behind a paywall, if their intention is to promote them. If their only intention is to make money, then let the GAA become fully professional.

RTE is the national broadcaster. It should not be charging its customers extra on top of its license fee. It also earns revenue from advertisements. After all those years, the BBC stills runs on its license fee alone. I see that just lately questions are being asked as to how RTE spends some of its money.

You're tone deaf, aren't you? People who have been independent all their lives don't want to be beholden to anyone. But you seem not to understand that, so there is little point in me repeating it, I suppose."
Apologies Midleton for my last reply I don't mean it to be so aggressive. I get very wound up about the €160 licence fee. It could buy a nice bit of electricity or gas for someone this day and age if they didn't need to pay it. I feel like a mug ever putting my name down for it, can't avoid it now.

GreenandRed (Mayo) - Posts: 7376 - 24/06/2023 20:20:31    2488903

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Replying To GreenandRed:  "Apologies Midleton for my last reply I don't mean it to be so aggressive. I get very wound up about the €160 licence fee. It could buy a nice bit of electricity or gas for someone this day and age if they didn't need to pay it. I feel like a mug ever putting my name down for it, can't avoid it now."
No one needs to pay the €160 licence fee.

Cockney_Cat (UK) - Posts: 2482 - 24/06/2023 21:20:46    2488929

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Replying To KillingFields:  "You are clueless if you think the BBC runs on its licence fee alone.
it makes billions from its commercial arm
Its GAA go that has to be paid for not RTE. RTE are partners in it but theyre not the sole providers of the coverage."
UK also has a population of around 70 million. RTE has a much smaller population to gather licence fee from and so it does not go as far if people are expecting BBC level quality.

MachaireConnacht (Roscommon) - Posts: 803 - 24/06/2023 22:03:51    2488950

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Replying To Cockney_Cat:  "No one needs to pay the €160 licence fee."
You're right. No one needs to drive a car without insurance either. Probably no-one wants to pay a TV licence fee. But I don't have the balls to run the risk of a €1000 or €2000 gine or go to prison.

GreenandRed (Mayo) - Posts: 7376 - 24/06/2023 22:41:35    2488964

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Why put the galway / mayo game on at the same time as the tailteann cup semi finals??. The one weekend RTE do show a few games Croke park make sure there's a cross over!! Its nearly as if they don't want people to watch them. Complete lack of common sense.

Thejampot (Leitrim) - Posts: 255 - 25/06/2023 07:26:14    2488992

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Replying To GreenandRed:  "
Replying To Cockney_Cat:  "No one needs to pay the €160 licence fee."
You're right. No one needs to drive a car without insurance either. Probably no-one wants to pay a TV licence fee. But I don't have the balls to run the risk of a €1000 or €2000 gine or go to prison."
You've missed my point. No one needs a TV

Cockney_Cat (UK) - Posts: 2482 - 25/06/2023 10:46:42    2489039

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Replying To Cockney_Cat:  "
Replying To GreenandRed:  "[quote=Cockney_Cat:  "No one needs to pay the €160 licence fee."
You're right. No one needs to drive a car without insurance either. Probably no-one wants to pay a TV licence fee. But I don't have the balls to run the risk of a €1000 or €2000 gine or go to prison."
You've missed my point. No one needs a TV"]I did. Ironic cos I was in my mates house yesterday and he hasn't a TV now. Had to contact the TV licence people cos they were sending him letters. Fair point indeed. We'd probably a lot better off without TV.

GreenandRed (Mayo) - Posts: 7376 - 25/06/2023 11:15:35    2489050

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Living outside the country, I have never been more tuned into GAA. The coverage from GAAGO has never been better and no longer do I need to go to pubs at 9am in Bronx or queens as was the case in 1980's. Long May GAAGO continue!

Ryanteam (Cork) - Posts: 218 - 25/06/2023 11:59:49    2489056

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Replying To Ryanteam:  "Living outside the country, I have never been more tuned into GAA. The coverage from GAAGO has never been better and no longer do I need to go to pubs at 9am in Bronx or queens as was the case in 1980's. Long May GAAGO continue!"
Same here. I live in London and have just renewed my annual GAAGO subscription. A lot of people commenting don't seem to realise that there are thousands of Irish people and GAA members living abroad who rely on streaming services like GAAGO to watch live GAA matches. It's also a lucrative source of income for the GAA.

Cockney_Cat (UK) - Posts: 2482 - 25/06/2023 13:03:08    2489072

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Replying To Thejampot:  "Why put the galway / mayo game on at the same time as the tailteann cup semi finals??. The one weekend RTE do show a few games Croke park make sure there's a cross over!! Its nearly as if they don't want people to watch them. Complete lack of common sense."
Agree 100%. The GAA agreed to give the Tailteann maximum exposure to sell the competition. They did last year but now this year Galway V Mayo on at the same time on another channel. Eaten bread soon forgotten.

Breffni1969 (Cavan) - Posts: 510 - 25/06/2023 13:11:45    2489074

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Replying To Cockney_Cat:  "Same here. I live in London and have just renewed my annual GAAGO subscription. A lot of people commenting don't seem to realise that there are thousands of Irish people and GAA members living abroad who rely on streaming services like GAAGO to watch live GAA matches. It's also a lucrative source of income for the GAA."
Yes, it's a great service. Supported by Roku app and can play on any tv. I did go to a pub on a recent visit to London to watch GAA… The Ramble Inn in Tooting!

Ryanteam (Cork) - Posts: 218 - 25/06/2023 13:36:39    2489084

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Replying To KillingFields:  "You are clueless if you think the BBC runs on its licence fee alone.
it makes billions from its commercial arm
Its GAA go that has to be paid for not RTE. RTE are partners in it but theyre not the sole providers of the coverage."
All, I know is that when I watch it, the only adverts it shows are for it's own programs. Perhaps you'll explain to a clueless person what this commercial arm consists of?

Midleton (Cork) - Posts: 643 - 25/06/2023 14:16:55    2489104

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