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The all football Ireland quarter finals being moved to Croke Park is another farce beyond belief.
In the tailteann cup the quarter finals were in the home venues of the teams that topped the groups (yes, it's arguable that was the correct option considering it's a second tier competition and it's unlikely that you could get a big crowd in croke park for the likes of Antrim Vs Carlow etc.)
Why was there a small period of time that the official GAA website had Celtic Park listed as the venue for Derry's quarter final?
Now it's being played in croke park?
Was one of the main perks of topping the group not too have your quarter final at home?
It's another selfish action but also a stupid one by the GAA.
There is a current problem in the promoting the game for the youth, a sold out all Ireland quarter final in Celtic Park, Athletic Grounds and Fitzgerald stadium would have all been spectacles. It's a spit in the face to football fans. Armagh having arguably the best support in the country home and away; it would have been a brilliant novelty and reward for the Armagh team and also the fans to have a quarter final at home. As for Derry it would have been another step forward to promoting the game in the City; Celtic park would have been jammed. As for Kerry they only care about the final I suppose.

OLS2 (USA) - Posts: 1 - 20/06/2023 18:31:30    2487942

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Replying To OLS2:  "The all football Ireland quarter finals being moved to Croke Park is another farce beyond belief.
In the tailteann cup the quarter finals were in the home venues of the teams that topped the groups (yes, it's arguable that was the correct option considering it's a second tier competition and it's unlikely that you could get a big crowd in croke park for the likes of Antrim Vs Carlow etc.)
Why was there a small period of time that the official GAA website had Celtic Park listed as the venue for Derry's quarter final?
Now it's being played in croke park?
Was one of the main perks of topping the group not too have your quarter final at home?
It's another selfish action but also a stupid one by the GAA.
There is a current problem in the promoting the game for the youth, a sold out all Ireland quarter final in Celtic Park, Athletic Grounds and Fitzgerald stadium would have all been spectacles. It's a spit in the face to football fans. Armagh having arguably the best support in the country home and away; it would have been a brilliant novelty and reward for the Armagh team and also the fans to have a quarter final at home. As for Derry it would have been another step forward to promoting the game in the City; Celtic park would have been jammed. As for Kerry they only care about the final I suppose."
When was Celtic Park listed as a q final location

Derry only qualified for the q finals last Saturday

tirawleybaron (Mayo) - Posts: 1140 - 21/06/2023 06:46:28    2487999

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Replying To OLS2:  "The all football Ireland quarter finals being moved to Croke Park is another farce beyond belief.
In the tailteann cup the quarter finals were in the home venues of the teams that topped the groups (yes, it's arguable that was the correct option considering it's a second tier competition and it's unlikely that you could get a big crowd in croke park for the likes of Antrim Vs Carlow etc.)
Why was there a small period of time that the official GAA website had Celtic Park listed as the venue for Derry's quarter final?
Now it's being played in croke park?
Was one of the main perks of topping the group not too have your quarter final at home?
It's another selfish action but also a stupid one by the GAA.
There is a current problem in the promoting the game for the youth, a sold out all Ireland quarter final in Celtic Park, Athletic Grounds and Fitzgerald stadium would have all been spectacles. It's a spit in the face to football fans. Armagh having arguably the best support in the country home and away; it would have been a brilliant novelty and reward for the Armagh team and also the fans to have a quarter final at home. As for Derry it would have been another step forward to promoting the game in the City; Celtic park would have been jammed. As for Kerry they only care about the final I suppose."
Disagree - AI Quarter finals have always been in Croker. A good double header in Croker is as good an occasion as any. The reward for topping the group was always the (Invaluable) week's break and straight into quarters, those topping the group never had home advantage.

TobeaRossie (Roscommon) - Posts: 139 - 21/06/2023 09:04:01    2488018

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Parnell Park would not be able to hold a crowd for Dublin's QF. Chances are that it would be moved to Croke Park anyway. Why not have other three matches in Croke park. Two double headers. Bumper weekend of action. Quarter Final weekend in Football was always in Croke Park.

Jack L (None) - Posts: 3103 - 21/06/2023 09:57:26    2488033

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Football quarter finals were always going to be in CP and that's the wish of all counties I would imagine, given that two of the remaining ones even wanted to play there last week!

Of course there will be usual Dublin at home thing, but no one from Dublin is objecting to Dublin travelling to Limerick to play in the hurling quarter final against Clare who chose it to play Limerick themselves in Munster final. And is virtually home game for supporters.

Likewise, Wexford and Galway didn't whinge about Dublin hurlers choosing CP as home pitch in Leinster championship. Nor use it as an excuse.

Teams seriously do not care and if ambitious want to play on the biggest stages, And despite the dog whistling of certain chaps, they couldn't care less about the supporters when it suits them otherwise.

BarneyGrant (Dublin) - Posts: 2609 - 21/06/2023 10:11:54    2488037

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Replying To TobeaRossie:  "Disagree - AI Quarter finals have always been in Croker. A good double header in Croker is as good an occasion as any. The reward for topping the group was always the (Invaluable) week's break and straight into quarters, those topping the group never had home advantage."
That home Qtr Final was for the Tailteann not the Sam.

Seanfanbocht (Roscommon) - Posts: 1453 - 21/06/2023 10:13:48    2488039

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The all football Ireland quarter finals being moved to Croke Park is another farce beyond belief.

- A farce beyond belief that the All-Ireland Quarter Finals in Football are being played in the same place they are nearly always played in? Is that really 'beyond belief'?

Was one of the main perks of topping the group not too have your quarter final at home?

- No, the perk was going straight to the quarter finals

OLS2 (USA) - Posts: 1 - 20/06/2023 18:31:30 2487942

Hyperbole hurts your argument.

MesAmis (Dublin) - Posts: 13719 - 21/06/2023 10:32:50    2488045

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A home quarter final was never mentioned for the Sam Maguire. They were always going to be neutral and in Croke Park. The teams who won their groups got the extra week off and avoided playing other group winners in the quarter. That was the advantage. I'm not sure where you got the idea that Celtic Park would be hosting an All-Ireland quarter-final.

WanPintWin (Galway) - Posts: 2058 - 21/06/2023 10:45:14    2488051

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Replying To OLS2:  "The all football Ireland quarter finals being moved to Croke Park is another farce beyond belief.
In the tailteann cup the quarter finals were in the home venues of the teams that topped the groups (yes, it's arguable that was the correct option considering it's a second tier competition and it's unlikely that you could get a big crowd in croke park for the likes of Antrim Vs Carlow etc.)
Why was there a small period of time that the official GAA website had Celtic Park listed as the venue for Derry's quarter final?
Now it's being played in croke park?
Was one of the main perks of topping the group not too have your quarter final at home?
It's another selfish action but also a stupid one by the GAA.
There is a current problem in the promoting the game for the youth, a sold out all Ireland quarter final in Celtic Park, Athletic Grounds and Fitzgerald stadium would have all been spectacles. It's a spit in the face to football fans. Armagh having arguably the best support in the country home and away; it would have been a brilliant novelty and reward for the Armagh team and also the fans to have a quarter final at home. As for Derry it would have been another step forward to promoting the game in the City; Celtic park would have been jammed. As for Kerry they only care about the final I suppose."
Armagh have the arguably the most vocal support. . .

Not the best!

cavanman47 (Cavan) - Posts: 5024 - 21/06/2023 10:45:20    2488052

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I really don't like double headers in Croke Park. You actually don't have that many that go to both games, which I don't really understand but it's the way of it.

I think it's the worst venue we have for an atmosphere for quarterfinals.

Semifinals where a game can get a good crowd on its own is much more important to be in Croke Park.

I don't think there needs to be home advantage for the group winners who get a bye already as reward but I don't see a problem with other good neutral venues getting quarterfinals.

Whammo86 (Antrim) - Posts: 4247 - 21/06/2023 10:45:56    2488053

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Replying To OLS2:  "The all football Ireland quarter finals being moved to Croke Park is another farce beyond belief.
In the tailteann cup the quarter finals were in the home venues of the teams that topped the groups (yes, it's arguable that was the correct option considering it's a second tier competition and it's unlikely that you could get a big crowd in croke park for the likes of Antrim Vs Carlow etc.)
Why was there a small period of time that the official GAA website had Celtic Park listed as the venue for Derry's quarter final?
Now it's being played in croke park?
Was one of the main perks of topping the group not too have your quarter final at home?
It's another selfish action but also a stupid one by the GAA.
There is a current problem in the promoting the game for the youth, a sold out all Ireland quarter final in Celtic Park, Athletic Grounds and Fitzgerald stadium would have all been spectacles. It's a spit in the face to football fans. Armagh having arguably the best support in the country home and away; it would have been a brilliant novelty and reward for the Armagh team and also the fans to have a quarter final at home. As for Derry it would have been another step forward to promoting the game in the City; Celtic park would have been jammed. As for Kerry they only care about the final I suppose."
Nonsense.

Saynothing (Tyrone) - Posts: 2021 - 21/06/2023 10:55:31    2488058

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Replying To Whammo86:  "I really don't like double headers in Croke Park. You actually don't have that many that go to both games, which I don't really understand but it's the way of it.

I think it's the worst venue we have for an atmosphere for quarterfinals.

Semifinals where a game can get a good crowd on its own is much more important to be in Croke Park.

I don't think there needs to be home advantage for the group winners who get a bye already as reward but I don't see a problem with other good neutral venues getting quarterfinals."
The double header of Galway v Armagh. Mayo V Kerry had a great atmosphere last year. All the team would rather play in crew park than in a neutral venue.

Sssthe (Mayo) - Posts: 57 - 21/06/2023 11:29:15    2488073

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Replying To OLS2:  "The all football Ireland quarter finals being moved to Croke Park is another farce beyond belief.
In the tailteann cup the quarter finals were in the home venues of the teams that topped the groups (yes, it's arguable that was the correct option considering it's a second tier competition and it's unlikely that you could get a big crowd in croke park for the likes of Antrim Vs Carlow etc.)
Why was there a small period of time that the official GAA website had Celtic Park listed as the venue for Derry's quarter final?
Now it's being played in croke park?
Was one of the main perks of topping the group not too have your quarter final at home?
It's another selfish action but also a stupid one by the GAA.
There is a current problem in the promoting the game for the youth, a sold out all Ireland quarter final in Celtic Park, Athletic Grounds and Fitzgerald stadium would have all been spectacles. It's a spit in the face to football fans. Armagh having arguably the best support in the country home and away; it would have been a brilliant novelty and reward for the Armagh team and also the fans to have a quarter final at home. As for Derry it would have been another step forward to promoting the game in the City; Celtic park would have been jammed. As for Kerry they only care about the final I suppose."
Welcome to Hoganstand.

Are there any invites for your username retirement party? Will it be in Croke Park?

If games are sold out in smaller venues some supporters won't be able to get tickets. Have you been to the Athletic Grounds? It probably wouldn't hold half of Armagh's support for a big game unlike Croke Park which did for their epic clash there last year. Similar story for Derry. They'd probably have to let in some of their opponents supporters too? Croke Park has a lot of seats and stuff. How will leaving supporters out of games promote the games in that case?

GreenandRed (Mayo) - Posts: 7381 - 21/06/2023 11:34:46    2488077

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Replying To Sssthe:  "The double header of Galway v Armagh. Mayo V Kerry had a great atmosphere last year. All the team would rather play in crew park than in a neutral venue."
Galway v Armagh had a great atmosphere.

Kerry v Mayo was fairly dead. The place emptied out by half time.

MesAmis (Dublin) - Posts: 13719 - 21/06/2023 11:37:09    2488079

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Replying To Sssthe:  "The double header of Galway v Armagh. Mayo V Kerry had a great atmosphere last year. All the team would rather play in crew park than in a neutral venue."
The first gand was good. You could hear a pin drop for our game.

GreenandRed (Mayo) - Posts: 7381 - 21/06/2023 11:38:28    2488080

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Replying To cavanman47:  "Armagh have the arguably the most vocal support. . .

Not the best!"
There was 6,800 at their match Sunday. Very poor support.

countyman2022 (Wexford) - Posts: 643 - 21/06/2023 11:39:24    2488082

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Replying To Sssthe:  "The double header of Galway v Armagh. Mayo V Kerry had a great atmosphere last year. All the team would rather play in crew park than in a neutral venue."
I was at those games and the atmosphere dampened considerably over the course of the second game as galway avd armagh supporters started to leave avd kerry started to dominate.

Galway9801 (Galway) - Posts: 1746 - 21/06/2023 11:40:16    2488085

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Replying To countyman2022:  "There was 6,800 at their match Sunday. Very poor support."
And they tried to move it to Croker!

TobeaRossie (Roscommon) - Posts: 139 - 21/06/2023 12:08:27    2488103

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Replying To TobeaRossie:  "Disagree - AI Quarter finals have always been in Croker. A good double header in Croker is as good an occasion as any. The reward for topping the group was always the (Invaluable) week's break and straight into quarters, those topping the group never had home advantage."
In 2001 the Derry v Tyrone QF was in Clones. It wasn't a sell out judging by the footage.

PattyONeill (Derry) - Posts: 227 - 21/06/2023 17:14:30    2488225

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I wonder is football quarter finals part of the deal for buying a corporate box in croke Park, if so then there hands are tied unfortunately.

Royal.Legend (Meath) - Posts: 667 - 21/06/2023 17:27:01    2488227

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