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Correct. Spillane's "insights" into the Donegal Cavan game reminded me of Eamon Ryan's when it comes to tackling the rising costs of living. Both are well paid, have a national platform & have access to data and resources that ordinary folk don't. Yet their insights and conclusions are akin to what a ten year old could come up with. Cavan had Donegal in bother for much of the first half. But Spillane patronisingly put it down to bland clichés such as them having great hunger and desire. He also reduced Cavan's game plan to long balls being driven inside as if there was no other thought put into it whatsoever. Anyway, thankfully there are a few good podcasts out there where proper analysis is done. Tip for RTE - Put Des, Pat and Colm out to pasture. Poach Dara O'Cinnéide from TG4. Actually no it's too late for that. Thankfully Seó Spóirt is making a welcome return soon. Even if you haven't a word of Irish I'd recommend tuning in to see how O'Cinnéide intelligently leads his guests into proper analysis of a game. Lockjaw (Donegal) - Posts: 9171 - 10/05/2022 16:12:14 2416324 Link 8 |
Enjoyed the game , a 50:50 contest for well over an hour. Cavan were more direct and backed themselves shooting points once they got inside the 45m line. They needed to be 4 or 5 points ahead at half time after playing so well. Donegal fans would be relieved to be level at half time and a little frustrated with the laidback pedestrian build up , lack of variety in their play depending on the same 2-3 players to inject pace and another 2-3 players repeatedly giving up possession by running into traffic, over carrying or over/under hitting a pass Curlew66 (Roscommon) - Posts: 507 - 10/05/2022 16:52:16 2416343 Link 5 |
Agreed. I think Dara Ó Cinnéide is an excellent presenter and analyst. There's no waffle or hyperbole, he speaks a lot of sense, but he has a good personality too and there's a bit of craic. While he's a proud Gaeltacht and Kerry man, he doesn't let it blind his analysis and comes across as objective as one could be. WanPintWin (Galway) - Posts: 2056 - 10/05/2022 17:55:52 2416355 Link 0 |
I recorded BBC and watched it when I got back from the match. I have to say it was very good. They were identifying the movement of players in and out and Mikey Harte did mention the space lynch was getting. Donegal were leaving mccole isolated and they did change it in the second half with McHugh dropping very deep. Ulsterchamps_32 (Donegal) - Posts: 698 - 10/05/2022 18:00:36 2416356 Link 0 |
Derry v Monaghan will be interesting. Monaghan are consistently competitive, so we know what to expect from them. Derry - considering how the Tyrone camp is at 6s and 7s, and how little interest they showed in that game, it's hard to say - are Derry brilliant, or merely good? Tyrone were awful. You also have to factor in the recent Derry-Tyrone rivalry (something not fully appreciated outside Ulster - great memories of great battles between e.g. Plunkett Donaghy and Brian McGilligan), and that factor, plus Tyrone being dire, makes it hard to judge where Derry really is at. Monaghan will show up, and it'll either be v close or Monaghan could pull away in the last 20; but I do not see Derry running away with it again. And I'd back either Derry or Monaghan to beat Donegal narrowly in a close game. essmac (Tyrone) - Posts: 1141 - 10/05/2022 18:48:14 2416368 Link 1 |
I totally agree, BBC coverage is just miles ahead. They actually analyze the game properly and give some great insights. Sky is really good as well. RTE is just shambolic, it just gets worse every year. I'd say Donegal have been branded inconsistent for their performances this year, as you point out we have been doing really well these past 12 years. Our league performances this year have been really inconsistent, it was hard to know what to expect but that is the league for you, its not really a good gauge of championship form. Green_Gold (Donegal) - Posts: 1878 - 11/05/2022 09:57:49 2416409 Link 0 |
If we were a soccer team we'd be a bit like Spurs. Outstanding quality in some positions and capable of anything when it all clicks. But just not consistent enough in our performances to really hang your hat on us to challenge for the top prize. A bit harsh perhaps given that unlike Spurs we have won trophies in the recent past, but the performance consistency comparison is valid.
Lockjaw (Donegal) - Posts: 9171 - 11/05/2022 10:26:46 2416426 Link 0 |
Spot on. The only thing consistent about us the last few years is our incinsistentcy performance wise. Can't seemnto follow up one big performance with another. This weeks Football Pod with Paddy Andrews and James O'Donoghue offered an interesting 'outside' analysis of Donegal. Worth a listen. peiledoir20 (Donegal) - Posts: 809 - 11/05/2022 11:08:42 2416441 Link 0 |
Just me who thinks Andrews is a bit of a dose? Doesn't stop with the rabbitting and butting in throughout. His analysis is good on some things, but outside of the few top teams, he hasn't got much of a clue. Hard to listen to him overall
Loughduff Lad (Cavan) - Posts: 2410 - 11/05/2022 12:35:29 2416474 Link 2 |
He can be at times and it grinds my gears when he keeps calling James 'Jimmy' - you'd swear he knew him years! But he is quite articulate and good to get an insight now and again to the previously guarded state secrets of the Dublin 6 in a row team! peiledoir20 (Donegal) - Posts: 809 - 11/05/2022 12:52:26 2416479 Link 1 |
Oh definitely, his insight is great, and analysis on the top teams who he has played recently is very good. I stick with the pod for that stuff. I just overall find him very annoying, always trying to crack a joke where there isn't one, or butt in in inane nattering. It's overall a good pod, but I roll my eyes constantly at him
Loughduff Lad (Cavan) - Posts: 2410 - 11/05/2022 13:08:27 2416482 Link 2 |
Yeah, Andrews and the host cut across eachother quite a bit, James O'Donoghue will sit quietly enough until he's let speak but there's a lot of one liners being thrown in and throws folks off the flow of what they're saying so it can be a hard listen in my opinion. When they just settle and cut out the nonsense and just talk football there is some good stuff though I think. I thought they were both interesting enough on Donegal because neither of them really mentioned our style of play specifically, O'Donoghue mentioned the half forward line for us just not playing the game at our pace and being off colour and I thought watching it live that we weren't getting enough out of the half forwards. Both say that if we get everyone playing well in the same game that we'll be hard stopped but they didn't talk about slow build up or not enough kick passing or whatever else. Thought it was one of the better analyses I'd seen of the game because they gave huge credit to Cavan but also weren't talking as if Donegal lost which is what I've seen from some other corners. JoeSoap (Donegal) - Posts: 1432 - 11/05/2022 13:09:47 2416484 Link 1 |
Completely agree on the BBC coverage. i think they've been brilliant for even admitting to a bit of bias to showing an understanding of structures of the GAA within the different counties. Even the knowledge shown of some of the periphery players and clubs has be good. Martin Clarke knows his stuff
ponger (Cavan) - Posts: 542 - 11/05/2022 13:12:23 2416488 Link 3 |
Agree with you on Marty Clarke. I think he will go on to be a really top manager. He was an extremely clever and gifted player who we unfortunately did not see enough of at his best. He is also very insighful in his commentary and I've heard glowing reports of coaching workshops that he gives. Lockjaw (Donegal) - Posts: 9171 - 11/05/2022 14:32:58 2416522 Link 0 |
If certain personalities dialed themselves back a bit it would be a more enjoyable listen.
greatpoint (USA) - Posts: 427 - 11/05/2022 17:19:05 2416572 Link 2 |
Yeah. He is hard to listen to. I think that podcast is way too long to just have the same 2 or 3 people on it every week. I like Tommy Rooney, one of the only Off The Ball presenters I can bear anymore. Must be my age! They need to shorten it a bit and throw a few guest in there to liven it up. Have the odd header on it to liven it up. It wasn't much better with Andy Moran either. Hard to beat Wooly's shows. He's a cantankerous lad at the best of times but he has some good stuff. Who'd have thought that having a lad talking about hurling, cars and farming could put you in such good form!
GreenandRed (Mayo) - Posts: 7376 - 11/05/2022 18:59:25 2416595 Link 3 |
Spot on. Andrews does my head in when he keeps interrupting the others. He can analyse the game well when is not talking nonsense which is rare. Really like James O'Donoghue but it's hard for him to get his opinion out without being interrupted.
farneygael (Monaghan) - Posts: 277 - 11/05/2022 19:53:50 2416601 Link 2 |