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Replying To moc.dna: "This is the legacy of the GAA having no oversight on capital projects despite the injection of €30 Million of taxpayers money on PUC & also Cork County Board & certain individuals who were allowed to do as they wish. To allow such a massive over run has landed them into this situation. Whats even more embarrassing for all involved is that there were three different sums arrived at as to the extent of the overrun, one by the GAA themselves, one by the then County Board Chairperson & the last by a Review Group, not much hope for financial accountability & prudence when three different figures were given. Remember also that Cork County Board then found a number of Bank Accounts with a large sum of money in them, accounts that they weren't even aware of ! You can also see why local residents objected to the land grab of the public park by PUC for extra parking, its an insatiable need for more & more. Fair play to Cork City Council for not giving in, they gave them a green light for the Development of PUC, but PUC couldn't even plan it right after spending €90 Million & came back looking to grab the public park land. Then they get so desperate that they take on a sponsor who there are some very serious concerns about & how his companies treat workers & workers rights, no standards at all. Someone pointed out that PUC might be used 10 times in the season but that something had to pay for the Stadium, well then let the concerts work around the games. The games should be foremost & it beggars belief that you would spend multi millions on a stadium for Gaelic games but actually not play them there at all. The well paid hierarchy of the GAA should be held accountable for what is a hugely embarrassing story. As you said in your post, all down to greed & the failure & incompetence of many who are full time paid officals of the GAA to have oversight of all capital expenditure. The real losers in all of this is the GAA fans who were looking forward to the games in the Stadium & Cork clubs who lose out all the time due to the level of the debt to be serviced, they are blameless. Ed is the big winner." Great Post Moc DNA. You are spot on
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Replying To cityman73: "Little overreacting there,the concerts were announced last September,we didn't know what was happening the following year with games,this a nothing story during the silly season,we have plenty of great stadiums in Munster,it's good for Cork and thurlas,win win for everyone." How can it be win win for everyone if one can't attend the game. Pairc ui rinn holds less than 17000 supporters so many might not be a le tó attend.
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Replying To Bon: "Yeah but why cant they plan these things properly so that they are on in the stadium once the munster championship/qualifier stages are over? Its not rocket science." Bon there are several things they could have done. Like seeding that date out for a home game in Cork. Switching the order of games by seeding or consent. To say the concert came up after the fact is treating people like they came up the river in a snow boat. After all we have people on here telling us how long these gigs are planned for.
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Replying To cityman73: "The big winner is the GAA, everyone wins, nobody loses,you do realize that when we develop new stadiums,concerts and other non GAA things are needed to have our great stadiums,as already has pointed out,these concerts were announced last September,the games are still going ahead and ask any gaa hurling supporter,we all love going to thurles,it's the best spot to go for games, Kerry/cork football game is still in cork, nothing story during the silly season." Good man, you will go far in the GAA.
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Replying To Canuck: "Bon there are several things they could have done. Like seeding that date out for a home game in Cork. Switching the order of games by seeding or consent. To say the concert came up after the fact is treating people like they came up the river in a snow boat. After all we have people on here telling us how long these gigs are planned for." Well said.
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Replying To moc.dna: "This is the legacy of the GAA having no oversight on capital projects despite the injection of €30 Million of taxpayers money on PUC & also Cork County Board & certain individuals who were allowed to do as they wish. To allow such a massive over run has landed them into this situation. Whats even more embarrassing for all involved is that there were three different sums arrived at as to the extent of the overrun, one by the GAA themselves, one by the then County Board Chairperson & the last by a Review Group, not much hope for financial accountability & prudence when three different figures were given. Remember also that Cork County Board then found a number of Bank Accounts with a large sum of money in them, accounts that they weren't even aware of ! You can also see why local residents objected to the land grab of the public park by PUC for extra parking, its an insatiable need for more & more. Fair play to Cork City Council for not giving in, they gave them a green light for the Development of PUC, but PUC couldn't even plan it right after spending €90 Million & came back looking to grab the public park land. Then they get so desperate that they take on a sponsor who there are some very serious concerns about & how his companies treat workers & workers rights, no standards at all. Someone pointed out that PUC might be used 10 times in the season but that something had to pay for the Stadium, well then let the concerts work around the games. The games should be foremost & it beggars belief that you would spend multi millions on a stadium for Gaelic games but actually not play them there at all. The well paid hierarchy of the GAA should be held accountable for what is a hugely embarrassing story. As you said in your post, all down to greed & the failure & incompetence of many who are full time paid officals of the GAA to have oversight of all capital expenditure. The real losers in all of this is the GAA fans who were looking forward to the games in the Stadium & Cork clubs who lose out all the time due to the level of the debt to be serviced, they are blameless. Ed is the big winner." Even with the overspend on PUC it didn't fare too well when looked at as part of the failed Rugby World Cup bid even though it was brand new at the time, the report on the ground wasn't very favourable considering the money spent on it. Agree that primary use should be for games but bills wont pay themselves and clubs must be sick of levies placed on them as a result
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Replying To Canuck: "Bon there are several things they could have done. Like seeding that date out for a home game in Cork. Switching the order of games by seeding or consent. To say the concert came up after the fact is treating people like they came up the river in a snow boat. After all we have people on here telling us how long these gigs are planned for." seeding that date out?
That doesnt make any sense? What do you mean by seeding?
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Replying To KillingFields: "seeding that date out?
That doesnt make any sense? What do you mean by seeding?" Its not complexed really. You have five teams, five venues and five dates. Firstly are all five venues available for home games on those dates. If not you can not proceed with the draw in this format. Or go ahead with the draw letting Cork know that if they draw home advantage that day it goes to their opposition. Its what should have happened. There are several other ways in the draw to avoid Cork getting drawn at home that day. Probably totally unfair to the rest. This was probably a well orchestrated plan. We will let the procedure go ahead and if it happens go to plan B that will even give us a bigger return for that weekend. Concert plus more people in Thurles as no other hurling game to compete with. I doubt if there was any consideration for the fan out in west Cork who now is required to go to Thurles instead of into his own city. They got away with it. Shame on them and the rest of us Munster counties for letting them away with it.
Canuck (Waterford) - Posts: 2673 - 03/02/2022 17:40:57
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Replying To KillingFields: "seeding that date out?
That doesnt make any sense? What do you mean by seeding?" Sorry I may not have answered your question. However I trust your 2nd class students in Limerick would figure it out. Five dates, five team and five venue. Only four team can play on any of the dates. Always one off. Take that date first. Put the four teams minus Cork in the hat and draw. Then continue with the rest of the days and draw as normal. Only two home games per team is up for grabs so little effect. Not that I believe any of the other counties should agree but one of a few solutions.
Canuck (Waterford) - Posts: 2673 - 03/02/2022 21:27:47
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Replying To Canuck: "Its not complexed really. You have five teams, five venues and five dates. Firstly are all five venues available for home games on those dates. If not you can not proceed with the draw in this format. Or go ahead with the draw letting Cork know that if they draw home advantage that day it goes to their opposition. Its what should have happened. There are several other ways in the draw to avoid Cork getting drawn at home that day. Probably totally unfair to the rest. This was probably a well orchestrated plan. We will let the procedure go ahead and if it happens go to plan B that will even give us a bigger return for that weekend. Concert plus more people in Thurles as no other hurling game to compete with. I doubt if there was any consideration for the fan out in west Cork who now is required to go to Thurles instead of into his own city. They got away with it. Shame on them and the rest of us Munster counties for letting them away with it." Thanks for explaining what you meant as your original wording "seeding.... out" made no sense.
what you have posted here makes perfect sense
there is no getting away with anything
KillingFields (Limerick) - Posts: 3524 - 04/02/2022 14:48:39
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Replying To keepitlit: "Even with the overspend on PUC it didn't fare too well when looked at as part of the failed Rugby World Cup bid even though it was brand new at the time, the report on the ground wasn't very favourable considering the money spent on it. Agree that primary use should be for games but bills wont pay themselves and clubs must be sick of levies placed on them as a result" Clubs levied as a result and shaking their heads possibly wondering at the cost overrun and who got paid for what and were any favours done?Clubs that have great volunteers that help with building, pitches, stewarding, some tradespeople that give some free hours of labour so the clubs that can keep costs down. Clubs living in the real world, knowing the value of money, accountable to members of the clubs. Some GAA top brass don't seem too bothered when budgets are bust but happy to get money from government paid for by people's taxes. Even if they are getting money from concerts they should be still trying to keep costs down. The savings should be going to the clubs.
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Replying To GreenandRed: "Clubs levied as a result and shaking their heads possibly wondering at the cost overrun and who got paid for what and were any favours done?Clubs that have great volunteers that help with building, pitches, stewarding, some tradespeople that give some free hours of labour so the clubs that can keep costs down. Clubs living in the real world, knowing the value of money, accountable to members of the clubs. Some GAA top brass don't seem too bothered when budgets are bust but happy to get money from government paid for by people's taxes. Even if they are getting money from concerts they should be still trying to keep costs down. The savings should be going to the clubs." Totally agree with you. I grew in a club that spent most of its history borrowing a field off local farmers. Then the locals eventually got a piece of property (a bog) reclaimed it and have their own facilities. Even though some grants came the project was going ahead with or without them. The farmers came with their tractors and labours brought their skill. All the skills came from the little parish without any consultants etc. When it was finished a county council retire (R.I.P.) took his little savings and purchased a ride on to keep the grass cut until dying in his middle 80's. He took in at three games a weekend from shear love of the game. When it came to All-Ireland tickets his name went in the hat the same as everyone else. That is all he expected. No one came to make sure he got one. These are the heroes of the GAA. I am sure there are many like him and yes in Cork also but who don't count with the suits and the top earners
The pitch itself was so good that it was the only place the Waterford hurlers could train in winter. Guess what our man came back and fixed it after them.
I am not again progress and we have had a lot. Shakespeare once said "the abuse of greatness is when it disjoins remorse from power". This is what is going on in political life and other organization. Would hope the great GAA is above that.
Canuck (Waterford) - Posts: 2673 - 04/02/2022 16:53:02
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Replying To GreenandRed: "Clubs levied as a result and shaking their heads possibly wondering at the cost overrun and who got paid for what and were any favours done?Clubs that have great volunteers that help with building, pitches, stewarding, some tradespeople that give some free hours of labour so the clubs that can keep costs down. Clubs living in the real world, knowing the value of money, accountable to members of the clubs. Some GAA top brass don't seem too bothered when budgets are bust but happy to get money from government paid for by people's taxes. Even if they are getting money from concerts they should be still trying to keep costs down. The savings should be going to the clubs." Well said.
moc.dna (Galway) - Posts: 1212 - 04/02/2022 18:12:01
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Replying To KillingFields: "Ah disgrace is a bit much. Stadiums need to be earning money all the time and American football and concerts are huge money spinners and An All ireland semi final Replay being moved isnt the worst thing now is it?
It helped lot of people as it meant not bringing them to dublin again....
GAA stadiums need the income from events other than GAA matches." No its not a bit much, people preaching this nonsense are a disgrace to the GAA.
The GAA spend >€100 million on a GAA Stadium, purportedly for the good of the GAA, an amazing facility to showcase the biggest GAA matches each year and entice youngster to get involved.
Afterwards the poor aul genuine GAA fan takes a back seat to Concert promoters or other international sports, and it emerges that this GAA facility is no longer prioritized for GAA purposes. The GAA fans are instead diverted to Limerick or somewhere for All Ireland Semi finals, while American Football is promoted at Croke Park. What a joke.
GAA Facilities should prioritize GAA needs first, and take bookings for other things when not needed.
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Replying To GaryMc82: "No its not a bit much, people preaching this nonsense are a disgrace to the GAA.
The GAA spend >€100 million on a GAA Stadium, purportedly for the good of the GAA, an amazing facility to showcase the biggest GAA matches each year and entice youngster to get involved.
Afterwards the poor aul genuine GAA fan takes a back seat to Concert promoters or other international sports, and it emerges that this GAA facility is no longer prioritized for GAA purposes. The GAA fans are instead diverted to Limerick or somewhere for All Ireland Semi finals, while American Football is promoted at Croke Park. What a joke.
GAA Facilities should prioritize GAA needs first, and take bookings for other things when not needed." The irony of it there was a time when clubs were threatened with sanctions if they allowed the local soccer team use their grounds. Many being GAA players also. What should happen is the public boycott this game in protest and bring these administrators back to their senses. But they won't.
Canuck (Waterford) - Posts: 2673 - 05/02/2022 14:08:08
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Replying To GaryMc82: "No its not a bit much, people preaching this nonsense are a disgrace to the GAA.
The GAA spend >€100 million on a GAA Stadium, purportedly for the good of the GAA, an amazing facility to showcase the biggest GAA matches each year and entice youngster to get involved.
Afterwards the poor aul genuine GAA fan takes a back seat to Concert promoters or other international sports, and it emerges that this GAA facility is no longer prioritized for GAA purposes. The GAA fans are instead diverted to Limerick or somewhere for All Ireland Semi finals, while American Football is promoted at Croke Park. What a joke.
GAA Facilities should prioritize GAA needs first, and take bookings for other things when not needed." The Penn State game was pencilled well in advance, the Saturday was a blank date in the Croke Park calendar. They're not going to turn down a load of cash on the very unlikely event of a replay. Croke Park, surrounding Dublin businesses and probably further afield did well out of those American visitors. Limerick did well out of the replay, less travel in many cases for Kerry and Mayo supporters than another trip to Croke Park. The size of crowd would have made Croke Park look fairly empty but the atmosphere in the Gaelic Grounds was magical and the players served up a cracking game. Even the taxman was happy. We were second again but we're used to that!
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There's nothing more aesthetically displeasing than watching a game being played out in front of thousands and thousands of empty seats, tens of thousands of empty seats sometimes, tbh as a gaa man I think it's quite embarrassing and you rarely see it in others sports.
If a match is only going to attract 10 000 spectators and a concert is going to attract 8 times that much, put the concert in the big stadium and find a more reasonable venue for the game.
I'd rather watch a club game in a packed kenny Park any day than watch the same game in Pearse stadium and the place looking and feeling like a ghost town with no atmosphere.
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Replying To GreenandRed: "The Penn State game was pencilled well in advance, the Saturday was a blank date in the Croke Park calendar. They're not going to turn down a load of cash on the very unlikely event of a replay. Croke Park, surrounding Dublin businesses and probably further afield did well out of those American visitors. Limerick did well out of the replay, less travel in many cases for Kerry and Mayo supporters than another trip to Croke Park. The size of crowd would have made Croke Park look fairly empty but the atmosphere in the Gaelic Grounds was magical and the players served up a cracking game. Even the taxman was happy. We were second again but we're used to that!" In fact All-Ireland football quarter finals should be taken out of Croke Park and played in provincial venues. The atmosphere would be fantastic as would the knock on effect for local economies.
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The subject is gone a little a skew, That's all right though, I do it myself all the time. The subject is about the availability of GAA grounds for scheduled GAA games. This one is not a challenge game or a league game but of a premier competition in the year's calendar. Raising money is a different subject and has merits in its own right. Using it as a smoke screen for incompetence and disrespect is just wrong. Is that not what we tend to do when we are caught with our pants down around our ankles. Send up a smoke screen and on to the next f--k up.
Canuck (Waterford) - Posts: 2673 - 05/02/2022 20:37:30
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Replying To GreenandRed: "The Penn State game was pencilled well in advance, the Saturday was a blank date in the Croke Park calendar. They're not going to turn down a load of cash on the very unlikely event of a replay. Croke Park, surrounding Dublin businesses and probably further afield did well out of those American visitors. Limerick did well out of the replay, less travel in many cases for Kerry and Mayo supporters than another trip to Croke Park. The size of crowd would have made Croke Park look fairly empty but the atmosphere in the Gaelic Grounds was magical and the players served up a cracking game. Even the taxman was happy. We were second again but we're used to that!" It was an All Ireland Football Semi Final......If the GAA can't keep Croke Park available for that, then it says a lot about GAA Admins priorities and perhaps a closer look needs to be take at those unelected admin positions.
If a Stadium is a GAA Stadium, it should be available for the key events on the GAA Calendar no matter what weekend they fall on, and key dates are All Ireland finals and semi finals, League finals and Club All Ireland finals and semi finals. Its only a few weekends per year really, and thus should always take priority over any side revenue events.
Making the tax man happy or making, Dublin or Limerick businesses or American Football fans happy is irrelevant to the main point being made, only the GAA would spend a fortune on Stadiums which primarily serve the needs to everybody but the GAA first.
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