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1990 All Ireland Final

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Replying To catch22:  "1990 hurling final on TG4 at the minute.
One thing that stands out is the amount of frees and placed balls that didn't result in a score.
Dubs and Kerry on next I think."
There were some awful bad misses from frees alright, but when you looked at a player he didn't take to settle over a free before he struck it. You have to settle and compose yourself before any free football or hurling. Some of the freetaking styles were quite poor too.

Bon (Kildare) - Posts: 830 - 05/04/2020 15:52:03    2275371

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1990 All Hurling Final...
That truly was a bad Full Back Line for Galway of D.Fahy, S.Treacy and O. Kilkenny!

katser (Galway) - Posts: 858 - 05/04/2020 16:47:18    2275372

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Replying To Bon:  "There were some awful bad misses from frees alright, but when you looked at a player he didn't take to settle over a free before he struck it. You have to settle and compose yourself before any free football or hurling. Some of the freetaking styles were quite poor too."
Ya, it's 30 years ago I know but gas really how much seemed to go wide from placed balls. It's an area really where you would have thought lads would always have been accurate from considering they were playing the game all their lives.

catch22 (USA) - Posts: 1234 - 05/04/2020 16:57:34    2275373

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Replying To catch22:  "1990 hurling final on TG4 at the minute.
One thing that stands out is the amount of frees and placed balls that didn't result in a score.
Dubs and Kerry on next I think."
Once upon a time in America, Roberto Baggio had to kick a ball past a keeper from 12 yards to help win a World Cup final. Something he was paid millions for in his day. He missed

Maroonatic (Galway) - Posts: 910 - 05/04/2020 18:02:18    2275377

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Replying To catch22:  "Ya, it's 30 years ago I know but gas really how much seemed to go wide from placed balls. It's an area really where you would have thought lads would always have been accurate from considering they were playing the game all their lives."
Especially from 65s and scorable frees, your at nothing without a reliable freetaker. Especially when you see the accuracy of most top freetakers now a days.

Bon (Kildare) - Posts: 830 - 05/04/2020 18:27:45    2275379

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Replying To catch22:  "Ya, it's 30 years ago I know but gas really how much seemed to go wide from placed balls. It's an area really where you would have thought lads would always have been accurate from considering they were playing the game all their lives."
To be fair,even though the day was fine,both sets of freetakers had a tricky breeze to contend with. Added to that the ball was marginally heavier and the bas of the hurl much smaller so freetaking and shooting in general was that bit more difficult than it is today . On the subject of frees you would have to admit that Cork were the beneficiaries of some pretty dubious decisions in that game particularly in the first half

UtahBlaine (Galway) - Posts: 15 - 05/04/2020 18:42:56    2275381

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Replying To UtahBlaine:  "To be fair,even though the day was fine,both sets of freetakers had a tricky breeze to contend with. Added to that the ball was marginally heavier and the bas of the hurl much smaller so freetaking and shooting in general was that bit more difficult than it is today . On the subject of frees you would have to admit that Cork were the beneficiaries of some pretty dubious decisions in that game particularly in the first half"
Your point about the heavier sliotar is very valid. Players had to strike the ball with more force than today, and accuracy would have suffered on occasions. Today's players have no issue with getting the distance from 65s and can concentrate totally on hitting the ball straight. I'd agree with you also about some dubious decisions. Cork got a few very handy frees, especially in the first half.

midlands (Westmeath) - Posts: 147 - 05/04/2020 20:00:45    2275387

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Really enjoyed that this afternoon, was only 20 months old the time so 1st time I've seen the full 70 mins, galway must have been kicking themselves with the missed chances,a big turning point was the missed chance about 10 mins into the 2nd half by Anthony Cunningham from which no 65 was incorrectly given and cork got a point from the next play, also Joe Cooney was some yoke, that 1st half performance was on another level.

wexico15 (Wexford) - Posts: 1998 - 05/04/2020 20:10:40    2275388

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Never seen so many players from the losing team in the shake-up for MOTM. Finnerty, Keady and McInerney were all outstanding, Michael Coleman ran the show at midfield, and Joe Cooney was obviously a tour-de-force aside from the number of wides he struck in the second half. Hard to pick out who the best was for Cork on the day, maybe Fitzgibbon.

I'd say the Galway supporters were pining for the days of Sylvie Linnae and Conor Hayes looking at the soft nature of most of Cork's goals- even if both had only retired a year earlier!

Would echo the sentiments at the low quality of the placed-ball finishing, although it arguably makes it more exciting than today, with machine-like accuracy from distances unheard of a generation ago.

beano (Wexford) - Posts: 444 - 05/04/2020 20:13:04    2275389

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Replying To UtahBlaine:  "To be fair,even though the day was fine,both sets of freetakers had a tricky breeze to contend with. Added to that the ball was marginally heavier and the bas of the hurl much smaller so freetaking and shooting in general was that bit more difficult than it is today . On the subject of frees you would have to admit that Cork were the beneficiaries of some pretty dubious decisions in that game particularly in the first half"
I know what your saying and ok there was a wind but there was no difficulty with distance and you'd think the free takers would adjust to that after a couple of misses.

catch22 (USA) - Posts: 1234 - 05/04/2020 20:58:35    2275394

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Replying To PoolSturgeon:  "
Replying To Cockney_Cat:  "[quote=Cockney_Cat:  "1990 All Ireland Final

I don't mean to make a big deal about this, but couldn't you have put 'Football' in your topic heading, as in 1990 Football All Ireland Final. There was also a hurling AI final in 1990. Which, by the way, was one of the great finals. Cork 5-15 Galway 2-21."
Got my hurling and football mixed up. But my main point stands.

By the way. in 1990, Cork's Teddy McCarthy became the first player in the history of the GAA to win All-Ireland medals in both codes in the same season."
And probably the only player who will ever do it too. We are unlikely to ever see a dual player play both codes at elite county level again."]Alan Kerins came the closest in 2001 to repeating Teddy McCarthy's feat. He played a minor enough part in the football final, but got his medal. We came up short against Tipp in the hurling, but if Broderick's goal wasn't disallowed, who knows.
Kerins also won club All-Ireland medals in both codes, which is a fair achievement.
Like you said, the days of the dual player competing at the highest level in both codes are gone, given the demands nowadays.
Some players can manage it in cases where their county plays at a much lower level in one code (usually hurling).

WanPintWin (Galway) - Posts: 677 - 05/04/2020 21:16:01    2275395

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Replying To katser:  "1990 All Hurling Final...
That truly was a bad Full Back Line for Galway of D.Fahy, S.Treacy and O. Kilkenny!"
Ollie Kilkenny was a superb defender for Galway , but did not have a good day, and Sean Treacy at full back was the start of 25 years of Galway not having a reliable, recognised full back, until Daithi Burke finally solved a quarter century old problem for them. However that was one All Ireland that Galway most definitely threw away, they were coasting at half time, but just collapsed in the face of a Cork onslaught.

gilly1910 (Galway) - Posts: 72 - 06/04/2020 10:27:09    2275419

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Replying To catch22:  "I know what your saying and ok there was a wind but there was no difficulty with distance and you'd think the free takers would adjust to that after a couple of misses."
I thought a few 65's didn't even go wide. Seemed to me like distance was an issue.

Mayonman (Galway) - Posts: 1170 - 06/04/2020 10:45:40    2275421

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Replying To gilly1910:  "Ollie Kilkenny was a superb defender for Galway , but did not have a good day, and Sean Treacy at full back was the start of 25 years of Galway not having a reliable, recognised full back, until Daithi Burke finally solved a quarter century old problem for them. However that was one All Ireland that Galway most definitely threw away, they were coasting at half time, but just collapsed in the face of a Cork onslaught."
Fair enough but look at some of the blatant goal chances some of the forwards missed, they deserve to take some of the flack too.

Bon (Kildare) - Posts: 830 - 06/04/2020 12:42:49    2275430

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Replying To PoolSturgeon:  "
Replying To Cockney_Cat:  "[quote=Cockney_Cat:  "1990 All Ireland Final

I don't mean to make a big deal about this, but couldn't you have put 'Football' in your topic heading, as in 1990 Football All Ireland Final. There was also a hurling AI final in 1990. Which, by the way, was one of the great finals. Cork 5-15 Galway 2-21."
Got my hurling and football mixed up. But my main point stands.

By the way. in 1990, Cork's Teddy McCarthy became the first player in the history of the GAA to win All-Ireland medals in both codes in the same season."
And probably the only player who will ever do it too. We are unlikely to ever see a dual player play both codes at elite county level again."]Though Teddy McCarthy will go down in History, Denis Walsh also deserves to be recognised. Denis played in both Munster Finals that year, played at No3 in the Hurling final & was strangely dropped for the football final. Even though he was a sub against Meath he didn't qualify for an All Ireland medal. By all accounts he got a raw deal.

Sean Og O'Hailpin in 99 & Alan Kerins in 01 the next closest for sure.

Illusionist (Cork) - Posts: 78 - 06/04/2020 14:48:00    2275439

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It was a great final, Galway I'm sure were gutted, definitely a game they threw away, but they missed terrible chances particularly in the 2nd half, and a few goal chances in the first half.

Cork meanwhile took their goal chances brilliantly, John Fitzgibbon was some player, a real poacher. One feels Cork need a few goal scorers like that now. The Cork backs defended much better in the 2nd half but rode their luck especially with the Cunningham save on Naughton which should have been a 65. Cork were rank outsiders that year, so deserve great credit for their brilliant Munster Final performance & for hanging in there against a highly fancied Galway.

Illusionist (Cork) - Posts: 78 - 06/04/2020 14:52:55    2275442

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Replying To gilly1910:  "Ollie Kilkenny was a superb defender for Galway , but did not have a good day, and Sean Treacy at full back was the start of 25 years of Galway not having a reliable, recognised full back, until Daithi Burke finally solved a quarter century old problem for them. However that was one All Ireland that Galway most definitely threw away, they were coasting at half time, but just collapsed in the face of a Cork onslaught."
Sylvie Linnane and Conor Hayes made O.Kilkenny look good! Cork figured out in the 2nd half to by pass the half back line of P.Finnerty T.Keady (RIP) GMAC and target the weak Full back Line instead by hitting long ball into the Cork Full Forward Line.

katser (Galway) - Posts: 858 - 06/04/2020 19:19:41    2275455

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Its amazing how from an outsiders prespective that Cork built up this reputation as a fast finishing team by winning All-Ireland's through sheer work-rate and late scores. Just thinking about this game in question, and in either 1977 or 1978 too when they beat Wexford with a late goal (before my time). Just going off second-hand info from my father and uncles, they were never beaten until the final whistle.

And the irony is, they seem to be lacking that spirit nowadays. Classic example being a point up in injury-time vs. Clare in the drawn 2013 AI final (albeit undone by an unlikely source for the equaliser). But then there is also the Limerick and Waterford semi final implosions in successive years, and Horgan's heroics not even being enough against Kilkenny last year.

beano (Wexford) - Posts: 444 - 07/04/2020 01:29:41    2275465

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Replying To katser:  "Sylvie Linnane and Conor Hayes made O.Kilkenny look good! Cork figured out in the 2nd half to by pass the half back line of P.Finnerty T.Keady (RIP) GMAC and target the weak Full back Line instead by hitting long ball into the Cork Full Forward Line."
Ollie Kilkenny may not have his best day in that final but your daft if you think he wasnt a top class defender . I once had the dubious pleasure of playing on him many moons ago as a young lad and he was every bit as tough as Sylvie and absolutely ruthless.He wouldnt have achieved all he did at club and county level otherwise

UtahBlaine (Galway) - Posts: 15 - 07/04/2020 22:09:34    2275512

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Replying To Illusionist:  "It was a great final, Galway I'm sure were gutted, definitely a game they threw away, but they missed terrible chances particularly in the 2nd half, and a few goal chances in the first half.

Cork meanwhile took their goal chances brilliantly, John Fitzgibbon was some player, a real poacher. One feels Cork need a few goal scorers like that now. The Cork backs defended much better in the 2nd half but rode their luck especially with the Cunningham save on Naughton which should have been a 65. Cork were rank outsiders that year, so deserve great credit for their brilliant Munster Final performance & for hanging in there against a highly fancied Galway."
Cork made some shrewd switches too which worked out. Putting Denis Walsh on Noel Lane worked out brilliantly for them. Lane caused a lot of problems in the first half but was largely nullified in the 2nd. I'm not quite sure what happened with Joe Cooney, from being MOTM in the 1st half to being almost anonymous in the 2nd but I'd say there was a plan hatched at half time to keep him quiet which our management did not counteract.

PoolSturgeon (Galway) - Posts: 1362 - 07/04/2020 23:01:19    2275516

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