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It is a shocking dumb idea, imagine given a "free" score because someone can catch a ball? Idiotic, the game was dying anyway, this will kill it off. arock (Dublin) - Posts: 4204 - 13/01/2020 01:10:17 I'd agree that it's a silly idea but disagree that the game was dying. The full implications of this rule change won't be seen for a few years and by then it could be too late to change them as you'll have a generation of players having grown up with the rule. By the time players that are in their early teens now are playing senior the vast, vast majority of scores will be coming from frees or marks. The game will be slowed down massively as teams look to get their shooter on the ball. MesAmis (Dublin) - Posts: 13707 - 13/01/2020 10:12:11 2259315 Link
Is the rule coming in at all levels and age grades immediately? Must be a pain for underage coaches to have to to keep explaining the seemingly ever changing rules in football Breezy (Limerick) - Posts: 1236 - 13/01/2020 10:29:44 2259321 Link
Replying To Breezy: "Is the rule coming in at all levels and age grades immediately? Must be a pain for underage coaches to have to to keep explaining the seemingly ever changing rules in football" It's been brought in for the corn Uí mhuirí quarter finals this week and teams were only given about 2 weeks notice about the change. It was thought that since the competion started before the rules were ratified that they would stick with the old rules a bit like they did with the club championship. KingdomBoy1 (Kerry) - Posts: 14092 - 13/01/2020 11:27:23 2259345 Link
Think it will suit teams with a good back lines to be honest, Tyrone, Galway, and Mayo stand out to me. Think we will see a regression next season to more defensive football, with hybrid man marking and midfielders and half backs covering the front space in zones and sucking up space. Think it will counter productive and make the game more defensive myself. TheUsername (Dublin) - Posts: 4445 - 13/01/2020 11:52:54 2259354 Link
Replying To sligo joe: "I don't know what Stephen O'Brien said but both papers quote the same, i.e offensive mark no advantage to Kerry, forwards of such quality that they will score anyhow, according to O'Brien, maybe he never said it but it is attributed to him in both papers 10/01/2020, maybe it is nonsense but not my nonsense" Maybe my dismissal of your post was a bit harsh. But only maybe. SOB's emphasis was on the Kick-Pass or Good Kick-Pass i.e. if the 'quality forwards' receive a good kick-pass - as opposed to a bad kick-pass or hand-pass - they are going to score. But neither of your posts mention the 'kick-pass'. Here's what SOB said in the IT: "We haven't really done anything on it; it's a thing that might suit us. Or it might not suit us as well because a lot of the time with the quality of the forwards we have inside there, if you get a kick-pass into them they are going to score anyway…….. So I don't think it's a negative change or anything like that; it might promote a bit of kicking and I'm not necessarily sure it needed to be made. I think if you receive a good kick-pass like that the scores are on a lot of the time anyway". Now, what about your other post on SOB's "self-praising drivel"? Can you explain that a little? Aibrean (Kerry) - Posts: 263 - 13/01/2020 19:30:42 2259504 Link
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Replying To Aibrean: "Maybe my dismissal of your post was a bit harsh. But only maybe. SOB's emphasis was on the Kick-Pass or Good Kick-Pass i.e. if the 'quality forwards' receive a good kick-pass - as opposed to a bad kick-pass or hand-pass - they are going to score. But neither of your posts mention the 'kick-pass'. Here's what SOB said in the IT: "We haven't really done anything on it; it's a thing that might suit us. Or it might not suit us as well because a lot of the time with the quality of the forwards we have inside there, if you get a kick-pass into them they are going to score anyway…….. So I don't think it's a negative change or anything like that; it might promote a bit of kicking and I'm not necessarily sure it needed to be made. I think if you receive a good kick-pass like that the scores are on a lot of the time anyway". Now, what about your other post on SOB's "self-praising drivel"? Can you explain that a little?" you are saying he has put the emphasis on "good kick pass" even though "good kick pass" is not mentioned in the quote. What is clearly in the quote is that the Kerry forwards are of such quality that they are going to score anyway. The other article where he struggles to decide which was his best year of his many good years is on the same page of last Friday's times. Anyhow best of luck to him, a fine footballer and I hope he has another good year in 2020, sligo joe (Dublin) - Posts: 677 - 13/01/2020 20:48:58 2259531 Link
Replying To Johnnyprophet: "Will you stop with the goading of Kerry posters for god sake. I think we're all sick of it now." Well said. royaldunne (Meath) - Posts: 19449 - 13/01/2020 21:41:25 2259561 Link
Replying To arock: "It is a shocking dumb idea, imagine given a "free" score because someone can catch a ball? Idiotic, the game was dying anyway, this will kill it off." Unfortunately I tend to agree with you on this. It serves zero purpose. royaldunne (Meath) - Posts: 19449 - 13/01/2020 21:44:15 2259562 Link
I wonder will some of the Counties not in contention at the moment have the type of players to take advantage of this and improve their fortunes Ashrules (Dublin) - Posts: 518 - 14/01/2020 10:32:36 2259643 Link
Replying To sligo joe: " Replying To Aibrean: "Maybe my dismissal of your post was a bit harsh. But only maybe. SOB's emphasis was on the Kick-Pass or Good Kick-Pass i.e. if the 'quality forwards' receive a good kick-pass - as opposed to a bad kick-pass or hand-pass - they are going to score. But neither of your posts mention the 'kick-pass'. Here's what SOB said in the IT: "We haven't really done anything on it; it's a thing that might suit us. Or it might not suit us as well because a lot of the time with the quality of the forwards we have inside there, if you get a kick-pass into them they are going to score anyway…….. So I don't think it's a negative change or anything like that; it might promote a bit of kicking and I'm not necessarily sure it needed to be made. I think if you receive a good kick-pass like that the scores are on a lot of the time anyway". Now, what about your other post on SOB's "self-praising drivel"? Can you explain that a little?" you are saying he has put the emphasis on "good kick pass" even though "good kick pass" is not mentioned in the quote. What is clearly in the quote is that the Kerry forwards are of such quality that they are going to score anyway. The other article where he struggles to decide which was his best year of his many good years is on the same page of last Friday's times. Anyhow best of luck to him, a fine footballer and I hope he has another good year in 2020," If you look carefully you will find both "kick-pass" and "good kick-pass". The "kick-pass" is essential to the point SOB was making - in the context of the new mark. Yet, you did not even mention it. Now to your other post. I could not find where SOB said "he's not sure which was his best inter-county season." I could not find where SOB said "because they were all so good." I could not find the "self-praising drivel". No. You could not make it up - as you say. But you had a fair shot at it! Aibrean (Kerry) - Posts: 263 - 14/01/2020 17:13:38 2259756 Link
i find this mark thing very offensive lilypad (Kildare) - Posts: 1363 - 14/01/2020 18:17:30 2259770 Link
Replying To sligo joe: "Stephen O'Brien quoted in the Times today, says the offensive mark will be no advantage to Kerry as their forwards are of such quality that when they get the ball they score anyhow. All-Ireland final replay Kerry, 25 attempts 10 wides, maybe Kerry should prioritise the mark, might bring their score to shot ratio closer to an acceptable "mark"???" Sligojoe is talking sense. This is always the guff you hear from Kerry. The patronizing punditry of the type "we d have been proud to score a goal like that in kerry" or "in kerry we believe croke park is the only place to beat dublin". Kerry are talented but also tend to have a superiority complex. Malonemagic (Laois) - Posts: 766 - 14/01/2020 22:18:46 2259835 Link
I would have thought the following would do well but are unlikely to play under the rule at all it seems Connaire Harrison - Down Cathal McShane - Tyrone Sean and Sheamus Quigley - Fermanagh Duirmaid Murtagh - Roscommon Michael Quinlivan - Tipp Donie and Paul Kingston - Laois tirawleybaron (Mayo) - Posts: 1108 - 14/01/2020 23:39:35 2259860 Link
Replying To Malonemagic: "Sligojoe is talking sense. This is always the guff you hear from Kerry. The patronizing punditry of the type "we d have been proud to score a goal like that in kerry" or "in kerry we believe croke park is the only place to beat dublin". Kerry are talented but also tend to have a superiority complex." Sligo joe is talking shte! achara (Monaghan)* - Posts: 562 - 15/01/2020 02:50:44 2259873 Link
Replying To achara: "Sligo joe is talking shte!" Janey Mac, don't fall out over me sligo joe (Dublin)* - Posts: 677 - 15/01/2020 09:53:05 2259912 Link
Hi all, can anyone confirm whether the offensive mark is on a permanent basis or is it likely to be scrapped for next year? I'm completely put off by the idea like a vast majority I think. Also, is it likely to be introduced into the club game? If not, I fear the gap between club and county may grow as far as being like two separate sports. Apologies if these questions appear stupid but there doesn't appear to be much information being provided. Jamesc015 (Meath) - Posts: 5 - 15/01/2020 11:46:39 2259947 Link
Does the offensive mark apply to club football this year? yew_tree (Mayo) - Posts: 11230 - 15/01/2020 12:38:55 2259958 Link
Replying To Malonemagic: "Sligojoe is talking sense. This is always the guff you hear from Kerry. The patronizing punditry of the type "we d have been proud to score a goal like that in kerry" or "in kerry we believe croke park is the only place to beat dublin". Kerry are talented but also tend to have a superiority complex." Sligo Joe totally misquoted SOB. How is that "talking sense"? Your own post is not supported by any facts; usually, when making an argument you support it with facts. If you have something to say then back it up in some way; otherwise it's of no interest. We are all getting tired of these mindless, inane anti-Kerry and anti-Dublin rants. I think it unlikely that the majority of Kerry people are much different to the majority of Dublin people, or Leitrim people, or Sligo people or Waterford people. Of course, you have maniacs in every county; but just because you encounter one from say, Kerry on this forum or elsewhere, it does not mean that everyone from Kerry is daft. Again, I think the Administrators should try to uphold the standard of the forum. For example a post such as "My personal opinion is that Christy Ring was the greatest hurler ever" should be blocked unless the poster says why he thinks that CR is the greatest. Who the hell cares what his "personal opinion is" ?? Aibrean (Kerry) - Posts: 263 - 15/01/2020 12:43:07 2259959 Link
Geaney and Clifford from Kerry as some posters have mentioned they forgot to mention Tommy Walsh the mark will really suit him, wfkerry (USA) - Posts: 933 - 15/01/2020 12:51:45 2259963 Link