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Replying To seadog54:  "Had a listen to latest podcast, could only find a brief mention of injuries. However at end of programme there was a great interview with Darren Fay carried out a couple of months ago, covered his career and views on current team. Well worth a listen."
I yeah. It seems as that new subscription service has a more detailed one. I'll subscribe and see what it's all about.

royaldunne (Meath) - Posts: 19449 - 14/01/2020 19:33:32    2259790

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Replying To royaldunne:  "I yeah. It seems as that new subscription service has a more detailed one. I'll subscribe and see what it's all about."
I heard we are playing cavan next weekend anyone know the time and venue please

meath1977 (Meath) - Posts: 534 - 15/01/2020 13:09:44    2259967

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Replying To meath1977:  "I heard we are playing cavan next weekend anyone know the time and venue please"
First I heard of it.

royaldunne (Meath) - Posts: 19449 - 15/01/2020 20:29:34    2260082

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Replying To royaldunne:  "First I heard of it."
yes Andy said on lmfm after the laois game they were going to play cavan this weekend

meath1977 (Meath) - Posts: 534 - 15/01/2020 21:05:56    2260085

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Is cavan ga.e open to the public.
Usually these are not

Ashrules (Dublin) - Posts: 518 - 16/01/2020 00:35:22    2260116

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Replying To meath1977:  "yes Andy said on lmfm after the laois game they were going to play cavan this weekend"
Would love to know the venue and time.

royaldunne (Meath) - Posts: 19449 - 16/01/2020 06:59:12    2260123

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Replying To royaldunne:  "Would love to know the venue and time."
so would I

meath1977 (Meath) - Posts: 534 - 16/01/2020 10:03:09    2260142

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Replying To royaldunne:  "Would love to know the venue and time."
2.30 in Simonstown I believe

Meathgaa5 (Meath) - Posts: 339 - 16/01/2020 11:48:48    2260156

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Replying To Meathgaa5:  "2.30 in Simonstown I believe"
thanks do u know Saturday or Sunday

meath1977 (Meath) - Posts: 534 - 16/01/2020 12:41:21    2260178

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Replying To Meathgaa5:  "2.30 in Simonstown I believe"
Grand. Much appreciate the info. Didn't even know it was on until meath1977 said it. So thanks to all.

royaldunne (Meath) - Posts: 19449 - 16/01/2020 13:39:32    2260195

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Any word from Meath Cavan match?

FoolsGold (Cavan) - Posts: 2763 - 18/01/2020 17:01:43    2260615

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Replying To FoolsGold:  "Any word from Meath Cavan match?"
meath won by a point in cavan behind close doors

meath1977 (Meath) - Posts: 534 - 19/01/2020 16:54:03    2260794

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Replying To meath1977:  "meath won by a point in cavan behind close doors"
Ahh I was wondering what the story was as I could get no details

royaldunne (Meath) - Posts: 19449 - 19/01/2020 20:00:52    2260893

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Replying To royaldunne:  "Ahh I was wondering what the story was as I could get no details"
ya just heard we won , which shows we have form for next Sunday

meath1977 (Meath) - Posts: 534 - 19/01/2020 21:41:22    2260942

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Thought month ago we had a wee chance against Tyrone , but they have just won the McKenna cup beating teams relatively easily whilst experimenting with new players. Can't as much as I hope see us beating Tyrone. Hope we are competitive . My concern would be if we went down 8 to 10 that would be a disaster .

Talking_Sense (Meath) - Posts: 209 - 20/01/2020 00:04:18    2260973

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I think Meath will be substantially stronger this year then last year. Simply because the return of 7 or 8 proven inter county players to the panel. For the first time since 2012 the best footballers in Meath are playing for Meath. That was the year Meath or any team in leinster got close to Dublin. Meath lost by 3 points and could have nicked a draw.

In 2013 and the next few years under Mick O Dowd , Meath dropped players , proven county players like Joe Sheridan , Brian Farrell , Cian Ward and Peadar Byrne who still had lots of years left in them and were still.some of the best footballers in Meath. This meant Meath were not playing some of the best players in the county. Then under McEntee Meath were losing 10 11 or 12 players every year. This is a problem for all county teams outside div 1. The only teams that keep their players are top div 1 teams. Derry were losing 15 players every season. Cork lost 16 players a year ago. Even this year Cavan and Roscommon have lost players this year. Teams outside div 1 lose 10 plus players every year. How many players have Meath lost this year, players not returned to the panel ? Zero. Every year under McEntee in div 2 Meath were losing 11 , 12 , 13 players every year like every team in div two three or four. Meath get promoted to div 1 , Meath lose zero players.

If anything Meath have gained players. Incredibly 7 or 8 players, proven , experienced inter county players have returned to Meath panel and all of them were unvailable last year with travelling , studying and working abroad , some of the reasons. For the first in 8 years , the best footballers in Meath are playing for Meath. This means

1 Meath will have a new goalkeeper this year eg Dominic Yorke
2 Meath will have new midfield partner for Menton eg Brian Conlon and later on Ronan Jones
3 Meath will have a new freetaker this year eg Shane Walsh
4 Meath will have a new full forward this year eg Shane Walsh
5 Meath will have new inside forward eg Donal lenihan
( Shane Walsh is a new player this year, he only came onto panel in July last year and started one game last year that was v Kerry in Aug)
6 Meath will have 4 or 5 proven inter county players subs on the bench, they didnt have last year eg Joey Wallace , Eamon Wallace , Paddy Kennelly , Alan Forde ,and Oisin O Brien. (Oisin O Brien played underage with Galway. And has played for Galway in FBD in recent years. At 27 he is playing for O Mahoney and living in Navan. )
7 Meath have 8 proven inter county players returning to the panel this year eg Donal lenihan , Eamon Wallace , Joey Wallace , Ronan Jones, Brian Conlon, Paddy Kennelly, Alan Forde.

Meaths main problem last year were midfield and full forward line. Both areas have new options this year.

1 Meath last year had a wing back at midfield eg S McEntee and when he was taken off in a game he was replaced by 20 year old corner back. Meath lacked big men and midfield options last year. Meath have 4 new big strong midfielders this year including Ronan Jones who is best midfielder in the county, who will return in March.

Meaths 4 new midfielders this year to partner Menton this year are Ronan Jones , Brian Conlon , Paddy Kennelly and Thomas Murtagh. All unvailible last year all big strong midfielders.

2 Meath had problems in the full forward line last year. Meath have 7 new inside forwards this year on the panel including the best inside full forward in Meath eg Donal lenihan and the best full forward in the county eg Shane Walsh.

7 new inside forwards r available to Meath this year that were not on the panel last year are
Donal Lenihan, Eamon Wallace , Joey Wallace , Oisin O Brien, Shane Walsh, Jack O Connor and Jordan Morris.

So Meath have 4 new midfield option including best midfielder in the county they didnt have last year and 7 new inside forwards options including best forward in the county Donal lenihan. They didnr have those last year. That has to help the team.

Another area that is a boost for Meath is young talent coming through especially forward talent. These player at 18 or 19 or 20 are making an immdiate impact. That hasnt happenned since the 1990s in Meath. While Meath havent won an All Ireland underage title recentlu but there has been signs of progress. Meath have won last two under 16 leinster titles and have won 2 leinster minor titles. And when Meath defeated Dublin in under 20s, two weeks ago that was the 5th time in 5 years Meath have beaten Dublin at underage. Many of these players have never lost to Dublin at underage. The players coming through seem to have more confidence and taleng then. players Meath produced in the last decade and. at higher level.

One of the main reasons Meath got promoted last year and reached super 8 was the new young players.

1 Meath had 7 under 20 players who played last year.
2 Meath had youngest forwards in the super 8s. 5 of the Meath forwards who played in super 8s were 18 or 19 or 20.
3 When Meath played v louth in Bryne cup a few weeks ago four of the forwards were 19 years old.

There is some quality forwards coming thru.
1 Shane Walsh at 18 is the best full forward in the county. In his first game ever to start for Meath v khe kerry full back line in super 8, he caused massive problems scoring 6 points , three from play.
2 Jack O Connor 19. Was the top scorer in Meath senior club football last year and is still a teenager.
3 Mathew Costello 18 voted the best young footballer in Meath was man of match two weeks ago v laois in Byrne cup in his first start. Walsh , O Connor and Costello will probaly start v Tyrone.
4 Jordan Morris 19. A Very exciting forward. Reminds me everytime I see him of Ollie Murphy.
Others
James Conlon 20, Dara Campion 20, Ethan Devine 20 .
Thats 7 players aged 20 or under ; all forwards will all get game time this year for Meath seniors. The last time seven under 21 players played for Meath was in the late 90s.

Another reason I am.optimiatic this year is McEntees 4th year in charge. It always takes years for a manager to build up a team from.doildrum especially a traditional county. And with Nally as coach means Meath have a div 1 management team.

Another reason is so many of the players who debuted in 2012 , 2013 and 2014 leinster final years are now peaking as footballers. Most sportspeople peak at 26 27. The average age of Tippearey team which won the hurling All Ireland last year was 27. The average age of Galway team that won the hurling All Ireland in 2017 was 27. And the average age of Brian Codys last 5 All Ireland hurling winning teams were 27.

So many of the Meath players are starting to peak eg Seamus Lavin 25 , Shane Gallagher 25 , Padraig Harnan 24 , Cillian Sullivan 25 , Barry Dardis 25 , James McEntee 25 , Shane McEntee 25 , Conor McGill 26 , Eamon Wallace 25 , Joey Wallace 24 , Bryan McMahon 27.
Its a good age for these young players to go up to div 1.

(Also Meath have great div 1 pedigree. From 1930 to 2000 only Dublin and kerry were longer in div 1. Meath won 7 div 1 league titles which means only kerry , Dublin , Cork and Mayo have been more sucessful counties in the history of league football )

Three years ago on this forum I predicted Meath would do little in McEntees first two years , Meath would improve in 3rd year , which they did and Meath would make an impact in year 4 or 5 under McEntee. I am confident this will still happen. With 7 proven players retirning to the panel including some of the best footballars in the county , 7 talented under 20 footballers, McEntee in his fourth year , so many of the panel peaking as footballers and for tbe first since 2012 the best footballers are playing for Meath and I believe Meath are stronger then they were last year and I believe Meath will stay in div 1 and make a bigger impact championship last year.

Simply put the ten new players to the panel and no players leaving means Meath are stronger this year and will make a bigger impact this year then last. In that with ten new players its means the competition for match day panel when everyone is fit will be seriously competitive .

The one problem and area of concern is the injuries. A national paper wrote last week a whole page on Meath injury crisis. Meath have had 6 players recently who had surgery and when Meath beat loais in a very good performance recently Meath had 10 players injured. Now some are long terms other not eg Newman Lavin and Harnan are out for most of the league and Newman for all the league. They are loses as Newman was 4th top scorer in the All Ireland championshop last year , while Harnan still only 24 is Meaths best defender after Keoghan and McGill. And Lavin has turned into quality corner back who was excellent in super 8s. However I think we have cover for all 3. Its if we have more injuries atop of this like lenihan, Sullivan and McMahon who were injured v Loais. But it seems they should be in contention v laois. As long as this those not become a full scale injury crisis and Lenihan , Sullivan McMahon and Gallagher are available v Tyrone and Donegal; we sud be able to cope with the injuries. And there is also chance S McEntee and Devine might be available in the coming weeks. Campion who was brillant v kerry in super 8s is on crutchs, so I dont know about him.
At the moment I think we can cope however if it becomes a full scale injury crisis it will scupper our hopes off staying in div 1. However if that is the case not all hope is lost. As most of the players like Newman will be back for the championship. Then come thw championship time Meath will be stronger then last year as the Meath panel looks substantially stronger with 10 new players fighting for match day panel places.

I believe Meath will stay in div 1 and make a bigger impact in the championship then last year. Meath are not going to reach an All Ireland final but be more competitive at super 8 level that can happen. People keep talking about performance v Dublin. But comparing Meath to Dublin is not a good fair
comparsion. Dublin are the greatest team ever and who have hammered every team in the country , even the top teams in the country in the last few years. Look at Meaths performances v second best team in the country kerry , 3rd best team in the country Donegal and 4th or 5th best team in the country in the last 12 months and they are beter comparsions.

In 2018 only for point in 7th min of injury time and a free not given to Meath in extra time of extra time Meath were unlucky not to beat Tyrone. In 3 games v Donegal last year Donegal struggled for long times v Meath. Meath were the better team in Ballybofey in the league for most of the game and sud have won and up to 60 min in the championship Meath were ahead and looked like they could win v Donegal. And in the league final Meath blew away Donegal in first half leading by 9 points at one stage. V Kerry again Meath were ahead at 60 min. Yes Meath fell away in last ten minutes , but in the 3 games v Donegal and V Tyrone , Kerry and Mayo in last 12 months Meath were ahead in every single one of those games up to 60th min. Yes Meath fell badly behind in the last ten mins. But if Meath can improve , there is a chance. Yes Meath are at moral victories stage where they are doing well v top teams. But can Meath turn moral victories and being very competitive into actual victories after 70 plus mins.

I believe Meath can why? 7 or 8 proven inter county players , some of the best footballers in Meath returning to the panel ( lenihan , Jones , B Conlon) and young talented footballers like Shane Walsh , Dara Campion and Matthew Costello on the panel this year. Meath have a new goalie , new midfiedlder , new full forward , new free taker , new corner forward this year and 4 new options at midfield and 7 new options for the full forward line. Thats sud help Meath improve from last August to now. Simply put havin ten new players they did have last year who are some of the best footballers in Meath can only improve the depth of the Meath panel.

Everyone is predicting Meath will be relegated. Its the same as last year , no one predicted Meath would get promoted or reach super 8. No one could see Meath improving last year. Its the same this year. People canot seem Meath improving. The reason I believe Meath will make a bigger impact and will improve this year is because of these new players who in are contention for the team who were not last year eg Donal Lenihan, Ronan Jones, Eamon Wallace , Joey Wallace , Brian Conlon , Paddy kennelly , Shane Walsh , Jack O Conor , Oisin O Brien , Matthew Costello and Jordan Morris.

Some of these players r the best footballer in Meath. Thats my main point for the first time in years , since 2012 actually the best players in Meath are playing for Meath after McEntee losing 11 plus players every year. So with new talent coming through proven , inter county players returning and players peaking this all makes me believe Meath overall will have a better season this year then last year, as Meath panel is substantially stronger this year , especially when everyone is fit.

Furlong1949 (Meath) - Posts: 1067 - 20/01/2020 01:30:48    2260980

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Replying To Talking_Sense:  "Thought month ago we had a wee chance against Tyrone , but they have just won the McKenna cup beating teams relatively easily whilst experimenting with new players. Can't as much as I hope see us beating Tyrone. Hope we are competitive . My concern would be if we went down 8 to 10 that would be a disaster ."
Tyrone have won 8 of the last 9 McKenna cups. Twice they were relegated twice when they won McKenna cup in recent years and last year they won Mckenna cup but were shocking poor v kerry in first round of the league. Tyrone are very up and down in the league..They finished the league very strongly last year. Still It will be very tough. They are very well organised and we havent beaten Tyrone since 2007. With 5 loses and 1 draw since. We havent beaten a Ulster team in Ulster in the league since Down in 2015. And we havent beaten a top div 1 team in the league eg top 4 or 5 team in the country since Eamon Barrys Meath beat Armagh in 2006. Who were the Ulster champions in 2005 and 2006 and div 1 league champions in 2005. That was in Navan. The Last time we beat one of the best teams in the country in the league away from home was v kerry in 2000 in league semi final in Thurles were Sean Boylans Meath made a great comebacks. Thats 20 years ago. So a Meath victory would be a landmark win on Sunday. I think we can do it. But the Donegal and Mayo games are the massive ones. But victory in Omagh wud be a brillant start.

Furlong1949 (Meath) - Posts: 1067 - 20/01/2020 11:48:38    2261050

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Some worrying news.

So Newman , lavin , Harnan , Devine and S McEntee are out for Sunday . ( Even though S McEntee might , just might make the bench ).
According to the we are Meath lads Shane Gallagher is injured and a doubt for Sunday. So is Cillian Sullivan injured and a doubt for Sunday and so is Bryan McMahon is injured and a doubt for Sunday. They dont know if any of them are playing, they might , but they are doubts. I got the impression Lenihan could be a doubt also. But sud be contention. If all are missing them thats 9 , if Lenihan plays thats 8 first team starters missing. Which is worrying . It would mean we are down three of our first choice defenders , our whole half forward line , our best forward last and Mentons midfield partner last year. Hopefully we can get Gallagher and at least one of McMahon and Sullivan. I think we could be okay. But 8 or 9 players missing that is a worry for any team. With 6 players getting surgery it does indicate that players having to peak twice last year has meant players training full on for a whole year is probaly causing all these surgeries. Another issue if we pick up any other injuries on Sunday it just adds to the situation..I think we will have to wait til Sunday til 2.00 to really know who is starting. We will have a better idea Sunday.

Furlong1949 (Meath) - Posts: 1067 - 20/01/2020 15:30:06    2261131

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Replying To Furlong1949:  "Some worrying news.

So Newman , lavin , Harnan , Devine and S McEntee are out for Sunday . ( Even though S McEntee might , just might make the bench ).
According to the we are Meath lads Shane Gallagher is injured and a doubt for Sunday. So is Cillian Sullivan injured and a doubt for Sunday and so is Bryan McMahon is injured and a doubt for Sunday. They dont know if any of them are playing, they might , but they are doubts. I got the impression Lenihan could be a doubt also. But sud be contention. If all are missing them thats 9 , if Lenihan plays thats 8 first team starters missing. Which is worrying . It would mean we are down three of our first choice defenders , our whole half forward line , our best forward last and Mentons midfield partner last year. Hopefully we can get Gallagher and at least one of McMahon and Sullivan. I think we could be okay. But 8 or 9 players missing that is a worry for any team. With 6 players getting surgery it does indicate that players having to peak twice last year has meant players training full on for a whole year is probaly causing all these surgeries. Another issue if we pick up any other injuries on Sunday it just adds to the situation..I think we will have to wait til Sunday til 2.00 to really know who is starting. We will have a better idea Sunday."
Furlong you're some man for the detail and I do enjoyed reading some of your stuff. However I'd disagree with some of the assertions in the above post about missing 8/9 first starters missing. IMHO a think some of the players you mentioned shouldn't and won't be first team starters this year. Of those you've listed for me the only starters we're missing are Lavin, Harnan Cillian and Mickey. For me Gallagher, McMahon, Devine, S McEntee and Lenihan are not guaranteed starters on this team with everyone fully fit. Now neither of us are right or wrong and we'll split hairs but I'm giving my opinion.

With a fully fit squad my own team would be
Yorke
Lavin McGill Ryan
Keoghan Harnan/Ryan (can split them but Harnan on experience) Kane
Menton Conlon/Jones
Sully Newman J McEntee
J Conlan Walsh E Wallace


Lot of close calls in that team so there could be changes depending on form, fitness etc...

For Sunday I think Andy might go with

Yorke
Clarke McGill Ryan
Keogy Ryan Kane
Menton Conlon
O'Connor Campion J McEntee
E Wallace Walsh O'Reilly

But that's the great thing we all have an opinion at this time of the year and none of us are wrong

brian (Meath) - Posts: 1954 - 20/01/2020 17:07:17    2261146

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Replying To meath1977:  "ya just heard we won , which shows we have form for next Sunday"
Great news

royaldunne (Meath) - Posts: 19449 - 20/01/2020 19:14:33    2261174

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