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Replying To The_Fridge:  "I've heard "don't get a chance" mentioned a lot regarding junior players. This is the bit I don't understand. many players from junior clubs have represented Tyrone over the years. Is it not up to a manager to go and watch a few junior championship games and if someone is kicking 8-9 points a game its clear the player deserves a chance."
It's not that simple and someone playing well at junior doesnt mean they need to be given a chance as you have to take the level they're playing into account. Playing junior means standards of play will be considerably lower in general than senior

KillingFields (Limerick) - Posts: 382 - 21/11/2019 12:54:37    2250665

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Replying To KillingFields:  "It's not that simple and someone playing well at junior doesnt mean they need to be given a chance as you have to take the level they're playing into account. Playing junior means standards of play will be considerably lower in general than senior"
Some might say I'm looking at it simply but I think managers, especially inter county managers and their 30 strong backroom team, can pick out a player they think can do a job for the team.

Il be honest, and I'm sure I'm not the only one, but I couldn't support players from my local rivals. I just couldn't do it. I respect them, I'm friends with some off them, but I couldn't cheer them on, especially if they had beat us in the championship a few weeks before. It's complete madness from my point of view. The championship in Tyrone is just too darn good and competitive to even consider a divisional championship.

Just my opinion though

The_Fridge (Tyrone) - Posts: 1716 - 21/11/2019 21:30:30    2250772

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Replying To The_Fridge:  "Some might say I'm looking at it simply but I think managers, especially inter county managers and their 30 strong backroom team, can pick out a player they think can do a job for the team.

Il be honest, and I'm sure I'm not the only one, but I couldn't support players from my local rivals. I just couldn't do it. I respect them, I'm friends with some off them, but I couldn't cheer them on, especially if they had beat us in the championship a few weeks before. It's complete madness from my point of view. The championship in Tyrone is just too darn good and competitive to even consider a divisional championship.

Just my opinion though"
Do you only support the county team when they don't have players from your neighbouring clubs?

Whammo86 (Antrim) - Posts: 2798 - 22/11/2019 04:02:15    2250798

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Replying To The_Fridge:  "Some might say I'm looking at it simply but I think managers, especially inter county managers and their 30 strong backroom team, can pick out a player they think can do a job for the team.

Il be honest, and I'm sure I'm not the only one, but I couldn't support players from my local rivals. I just couldn't do it. I respect them, I'm friends with some off them, but I couldn't cheer them on, especially if they had beat us in the championship a few weeks before. It's complete madness from my point of view. The championship in Tyrone is just too darn good and competitive to even consider a divisional championship.

Just my opinion though"
Fridge wouldn't you shout on those same players if they were playing for Tyrone? It's something semilar down here with our districts, if you're from a small club you try and wim a novice or a junior but if you're really good and you want to pit your self against the best you play with your districts.

KingdomBoy1 (Kerry) - Posts: 10025 - 22/11/2019 07:50:47    2250805

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Replying To Lockjaw:  "I think it could work in Donegal but there would have to be a serious buy-in from all involved to make it work. The Kerry championship has always been an interesting one for me. It might be a simplistic way of looking at it, but who are the most successful footballing county of all time? Kerry - therefore it would make sense to have a look at the way they go about their business and try to emulate it surely?

OK obviously someone as talented as David Clifford was always going to be on the radar no matter what level he played at club level. But there are definitely great footballers operating at junior club level who maybe do not stand out as much as they would if they were playing with better players.

With ourselves, the Inishowen peninsula was traditionally seen a soccer area. The clubs there definitely made strides in the early part of this decade but have maybe slipped back a wee bit again. I think they did operate a divisional team at one stage in the past? Wonder would it be an idea to get something similar again or would the clubs up there not be in favour?"
Clifford has the talent to stand out at any level but playing with the divisional team allowed him to test himself at a higher level against better teams rather than being a flat track bully against smaller clubs.

The Kerry system really helps in player development as it offer plenty of games at club level and also at county championship level. It allows players from smaller clubs to excel without having to move to large senior clubs as would probably be the case in Dublin. Over the last few years in Kerry you have players like Anthony Maher, Killian Young, David Clifford, Shane Enright, Paul Galvin, Padraig Reidy etc who come from smaller clubs but didn't have to move to get seen. Maher was slightly ignored at minor level but that was because of particular management.

macruiskeen (UK) - Posts: 34 - 22/11/2019 08:52:15    2250812

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Replying To Whammo86:  "Do you only support the county team when they don't have players from your neighbouring clubs?"
Club and county are completely different.

The_Fridge (Tyrone) - Posts: 1716 - 22/11/2019 16:28:22    2250899

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Replying To The_Fridge:  "Club and county are completely different."
Yeah but the divisional side would still be playing in a different competition to the club sides.

It's a sad enough world view where you'd struggle to cheer on your own club mates because they are togging out with local rivals.

Whammo86 (Antrim) - Posts: 2798 - 22/11/2019 17:26:46    2250906

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Replying To Whammo86:  "Yeah but the divisional side would still be playing in a different competition to the club sides.

It's a sad enough world view where you'd struggle to cheer on your own club mates because they are togging out with local rivals."
I genuinely don't think it would work in certain counties, especially Tyrone.

I know I may be in the minority but I just couldn't see it working and if it was brought in I don't I would watch it to honest.

Is a junior or intermediate championship medal not enough? The hunger to get to the top table.

I see in Kerry Dr Crokes won it for years. Now East Kerry are going to dominate for years, would I be right in saying they suddenly get Paul Murphy and another Kerry starter last year because their team was relegated from senior. What's the bloody point in that? Might as well just do a draft system or transfer market.

The_Fridge (Tyrone) - Posts: 1716 - 22/11/2019 21:06:13    2250942

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Replying To The_Fridge:  "I genuinely don't think it would work in certain counties, especially Tyrone.

I know I may be in the minority but I just couldn't see it working and if it was brought in I don't I would watch it to honest.

Is a junior or intermediate championship medal not enough? The hunger to get to the top table.

I see in Kerry Dr Crokes won it for years. Now East Kerry are going to dominate for years, would I be right in saying they suddenly get Paul Murphy and another Kerry starter last year because their team was relegated from senior. What's the bloody point in that? Might as well just do a draft system or transfer market."
This system gets the best players playing the best more often and which helps Kerry do so well in inter county competition
Dont see how anyone can criticise it.
It wouldnt work in many counties because people wouldnt buy into it. It has worked sometimes in tipp with regional football teams in north of the county.
It's nothing to do with junior/intermediate title being enough. If you think ite about that then you have completely missed the point in why the teams are in existence.
Bit ridiculous to say east Kerry will dominate for years.

KillingFields (Limerick) - Posts: 382 - 22/11/2019 21:29:53    2250944

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Replying To The_Fridge:  "I genuinely don't think it would work in certain counties, especially Tyrone.

I know I may be in the minority but I just couldn't see it working and if it was brought in I don't I would watch it to honest.

Is a junior or intermediate championship medal not enough? The hunger to get to the top table.

I see in Kerry Dr Crokes won it for years. Now East Kerry are going to dominate for years, would I be right in saying they suddenly get Paul Murphy and another Kerry starter last year because their team was relegated from senior. What's the bloody point in that? Might as well just do a draft system or transfer market."
Ya Rathmore with Paul Murphy and Shane Ryan were relegated from senior this year so they'll play intermediate next year and more than likely with East Kerry although there is talk that they might fall in with kenmare district

KingdomBoy1 (Kerry) - Posts: 10025 - 22/11/2019 21:46:50    2250945

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Replying To The_Fridge:  "I genuinely don't think it would work in certain counties, especially Tyrone.

I know I may be in the minority but I just couldn't see it working and if it was brought in I don't I would watch it to honest.

Is a junior or intermediate championship medal not enough? The hunger to get to the top table.

I see in Kerry Dr Crokes won it for years. Now East Kerry are going to dominate for years, would I be right in saying they suddenly get Paul Murphy and another Kerry starter last year because their team was relegated from senior. What's the bloody point in that? Might as well just do a draft system or transfer market."
I've nothing against Intermediate or Junior level. I only played a couple of senior seasons and mainly intermediate.

I was lucky to pick up a couple of championship medals.

I'd have probably been a better player and gotten more out of the game though had I more opportunity outside of the club to play seriously at senior championship.

Whammo86 (Antrim) - Posts: 2798 - 22/11/2019 22:39:25    2250954

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