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Should Westmeath V Dublin Be In Mullingar?

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Leinster 2019:
SF. Dublin v Kildare, Croke Park.
Final. Dublin v Meath, Croke Park.

Leinster 2020:
QF. Westmeath v Dublin, Mullingar?

The Leinster counties should seek venue equity. The AFL have a fixture equity policy.

The year after Dublin host a Leinster final, their next Leinster game in the following year should be in the backyard of their opponent.

Sure there are season ticket holders. A stipulation in the season ticket purchase can be that the quarter-final cannot be guaranteed depending on the host venue.

legendzxix (Kerry) - Posts: 6261 - 08/10/2019 19:47:28    2242155

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I don't think it has anything to do with season ticket holders. Mayo have sold out their allocation of season tickets for years so have Dublin. Mayo play their first game in Leitrim which has a capacity of 2000 less than Westmeath, so that cannot be an issue.

Mfs (Mayo) - Posts: 181 - 08/10/2019 19:56:25    2242158

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Replying To legendzxix:  "Leinster 2019:
SF. Dublin v Kildare, Croke Park.
Final. Dublin v Meath, Croke Park.

Leinster 2020:
QF. Westmeath v Dublin, Mullingar?

The Leinster counties should seek venue equity. The AFL have a fixture equity policy.

The year after Dublin host a Leinster final, their next Leinster game in the following year should be in the backyard of their opponent.

Sure there are season ticket holders. A stipulation in the season ticket purchase can be that the quarter-final cannot be guaranteed depending on the host venue."
We'll play any team any where.

avonali (Dublin) - Posts: 1228 - 08/10/2019 19:56:45    2242159

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No, quarter finals are neutral venues are they not?

If it was a preliminary round game then yeah.

if_in_doubt (Kildare) - Posts: 3635 - 08/10/2019 20:00:52    2242161

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Of course it should.

Lets see what the County Boards Reps from Laois, Wicklow, Louth and Carlow have to make of it having themselves wanted a home game against the Dubs over the last few years.

MesAmis (Dublin) - Posts: 12747 - 08/10/2019 20:08:00    2242165

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https://www.balls.ie/gaa/westmeath-dublin-418377

Leinster Council already bending the knee on this one and chairman Jim Bolger has said that it's more or less decided that O'Connor Park in Tullamore will be the venue and that a 11K capacity at Mullingar doesn't do it for them, what utter tripe from these supposedly educated administrators, once again they put equality, fairness and benefit to the local community to one side using health and safety as a convenient excuse, Westmeath may as well flog Cusack Park off for housing and many other counties may as well follow suit if that's the case, this is just beyond farce here at the minute, a soccer club with tens of thousands of season ticket holders can be drawn away in the FA Cup to a ground with a capacity of maybe 6 or 7K and yet here a county with at most 4000 season ticket holders can't play in an 11K capacity stadium in a provincial competition that is dying on its knees and at least needs a degree of fairness in its fixtures to make up for its lack of competitiveness, at times I really don't understand how these sheep are still in charge of running our games

Richieq (Meath) - Posts: 3491 - 08/10/2019 20:22:49    2242169

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Replying To Richieq:  "https://www.balls.ie/gaa/westmeath-dublin-418377

Leinster Council already bending the knee on this one and chairman Jim Bolger has said that it's more or less decided that O'Connor Park in Tullamore will be the venue and that a 11K capacity at Mullingar doesn't do it for them, what utter tripe from these supposedly educated administrators, once again they put equality, fairness and benefit to the local community to one side using health and safety as a convenient excuse, Westmeath may as well flog Cusack Park off for housing and many other counties may as well follow suit if that's the case, this is just beyond farce here at the minute, a soccer club with tens of thousands of season ticket holders can be drawn away in the FA Cup to a ground with a capacity of maybe 6 or 7K and yet here a county with at most 4000 season ticket holders can't play in an 11K capacity stadium in a provincial competition that is dying on its knees and at least needs a degree of fairness in its fixtures to make up for its lack of competitiveness, at times I really don't understand how these sheep are still in charge of running our games"
I totally agree that the game should be in Mullingar.

However the season ticket comparison to soccer, which I've seen crop up , is a false equivalent.

A soccer season ticket in any league entitles you to entry to all your home league games. It does not entitle you to any away league game, any away cup game or even any home Cup game. Everyone knows this when they purchase their season ticket.

The GAA season tickets are sold with the guarantee that you will be able to get a ticket to any League or Championship game that your county plays. It is a different thing from a soccer club season ticket. Everyone knows this when they buy their season ticket.

Now that isn't to say that there can't be a work around but the comparison with soccer season tickets does not hold up as soccer season tickets are sold with different conditions to GAA ones.

MesAmis (Dublin) - Posts: 12747 - 08/10/2019 21:12:47    2242181

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Replying To avonali:  "We'll play any team any where."
No you won't. You'll play any team in Croker most of the time.

The answer is yes. Dublin owe everybody in Leinster a few home games at this stage. It's disgraceful it took this level of dominating before the council would even let Dublin on the road. A hollow gesture. When Dublin weren't guaranteed to win from 2006 to 20013 I didn't once see Dublin on the road. The reality is Leinster council wanted Dublin to win. They even admitted as much.

Jack_Goff (Meath) - Posts: 2906 - 08/10/2019 21:14:46    2242182

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Won't make any odds. Venue doesn't bother this Dublin team and we are not strong enough to upset them no matter where its played. Traditionally the preliminary round in Leinster are on a home and away basis with quarter finals usually neutral venue. This will either be Portlaoise, Tullamore or a double header with another quarter final at Croke park.

The_Fonz (Westmeath) - Posts: 47 - 08/10/2019 21:22:46    2242185

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Kerry: 5/8 championship games in opponents backyard. 1/8 games in Killarney.
Dublin: 7/9 games in Croke Park. 1/9 games in opponents backyard.
Former Dublin players say dogs on the street understand their Croke Park advantage.
Current Dublin players know their wins do not carry the same weight in gold of respect as rural counties. It is what it is.

legendzxix (Kerry) - Posts: 6261 - 08/10/2019 21:26:33    2242186

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Replying To Jack_Goff:  "No you won't. You'll play any team in Croker most of the time.

The answer is yes. Dublin owe everybody in Leinster a few home games at this stage. It's disgraceful it took this level of dominating before the council would even let Dublin on the road. A hollow gesture. When Dublin weren't guaranteed to win from 2006 to 20013 I didn't once see Dublin on the road. The reality is Leinster council wanted Dublin to win. They even admitted as much."
That's fairly corrupt jack, but it's what the GAA want.

KingdomBoy1 (Kerry) - Posts: 9854 - 08/10/2019 21:32:46    2242190

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The whole thing is a fiasco.

Galway effectively have a bye into the last 12 whilst the Ulster teams will have to make a monumental effort to get to the same stage.

Get rid of the league.Replace with provincials as a round robin. 2 groups in Ulster/Leinster. Single groups in Conn/Munster.

Separate championship with 4 divisions seeding based off provincials performance. Each divisions has qualifiers to knockout championship. Div 1 ( 5 teams), Div 2 ( 3 teams), Div 3 ( 2 teams), Div 4 ( 2 team) leaving 12.
4 straight into quarter other 8 playoff to get to quarter.

Framework above would have max 16 matches
Provincial - 4
provincial final - 1
Championship (League) - 7
Championship (knockout - 4

centerfield (Mayo) - Posts: 305 - 08/10/2019 21:48:32    2242196

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Westmeath v dublin in mullingar full house 4 k dublin season ticket holders and 8 k westmeath fans, great atmosphere a fired up westmeath team playing with that bit more belief that home games always brings, and possibly dublin fans and team getting a competitive game in leinster that they crave.

Westmeath v dublin in tullamore half empty stadium with about 200 westmeath fans and 7 k dubs bored to tears because there watching there team stroll to victory against a team that were beaten before they even got of the bus.

Are the leinster council really this stupid that there going to pick the second option, because if they are then why not just move it to Croke park because I'd imagine westmeath would prefer to play there then tullamore.

Royal.Legend (Meath) - Posts: 381 - 08/10/2019 21:56:23    2242203

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Replying To The_Fonz:  "Won't make any odds. Venue doesn't bother this Dublin team and we are not strong enough to upset them no matter where its played. Traditionally the preliminary round in Leinster are on a home and away basis with quarter finals usually neutral venue. This will either be Portlaoise, Tullamore or a double header with another quarter final at Croke park."
It might not make any odds to Dublin but I am sure it does to the hotels, pubs and shops around Mullingar, many of them provide sponsorship for the team but dont seem to get much in return.

Mfs (Mayo) - Posts: 181 - 08/10/2019 21:57:49    2242205

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Replying To Jack_Goff:  "No you won't. You'll play any team in Croker most of the time.

The answer is yes. Dublin owe everybody in Leinster a few home games at this stage. It's disgraceful it took this level of dominating before the council would even let Dublin on the road. A hollow gesture. When Dublin weren't guaranteed to win from 2006 to 20013 I didn't once see Dublin on the road. The reality is Leinster council wanted Dublin to win. They even admitted as much."
There is no way Leinster council will take Dublin's advantages away from them, Westmeath might not be up to beating them at home next year but they're never going to risk setting a precedent for facing an improving team in the future that would risk ruining their tens of millions pet investment. Unfortunately some teams will let Dublin roll over them but if Kildare find themselves in the 1st round again and drawn against Dublin sometime, the entertainment from the stand off over the venue alone would be worth it..

cuttothebone (Kildare) - Posts: 111 - 08/10/2019 22:22:32    2242215

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Replying To cuttothebone:  "There is no way Leinster council will take Dublin's advantages away from them, Westmeath might not be up to beating them at home next year but they're never going to risk setting a precedent for facing an improving team in the future that would risk ruining their tens of millions pet investment. Unfortunately some teams will let Dublin roll over them but if Kildare find themselves in the 1st round again and drawn against Dublin sometime, the entertainment from the stand off over the venue alone would be worth it.."
This is from Kildare who have in the past played their home league match against Dublin in Croke Park.

If the Leinster counties that aren't Dublin all grow a pair then yous could have Dublin on the road for every game.

Laois were awful vocal in 2016, but silent the other years.

Carlow were vocal in 2017, but silent the other years.

Wicklow in 2018 etc etc

I wonder what the Westmeath CB reps thought of the situation before this year??

The game should be in Mullingar but the 11 other county boards in Leinster really struggle with having a party in a brewery.

MesAmis (Dublin) - Posts: 12747 - 08/10/2019 22:39:18    2242217

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Replying To MesAmis:  "This is from Kildare who have in the past played their home league match against Dublin in Croke Park.

If the Leinster counties that aren't Dublin all grow a pair then yous could have Dublin on the road for every game.

Laois were awful vocal in 2016, but silent the other years.

Carlow were vocal in 2017, but silent the other years.

Wicklow in 2018 etc etc

I wonder what the Westmeath CB reps thought of the situation before this year??

The game should be in Mullingar but the 11 other county boards in Leinster really struggle with having a party in a brewery."
Oh ignorance is so so bliss..This is the same Kildare who were told you have no choice but to play Dublin game in croker if you want help with your debt for developing a centre of excellence in order to try and compete with the Leinster council backed Dublin gaa.. Something, along with a home venue Dublin never have to contribute towards..

cuttothebone (Kildare) - Posts: 111 - 08/10/2019 23:20:40    2242224

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Replying To MesAmis:  "This is from Kildare who have in the past played their home league match against Dublin in Croke Park.

If the Leinster counties that aren't Dublin all grow a pair then yous could have Dublin on the road for every game.

Laois were awful vocal in 2016, but silent the other years.

Carlow were vocal in 2017, but silent the other years.

Wicklow in 2018 etc etc

I wonder what the Westmeath CB reps thought of the situation before this year??

The game should be in Mullingar but the 11 other county boards in Leinster really struggle with having a party in a brewery."
This is true but there is also an element of scaremongering that goes on with Leinster Council trying to frighten the bejaysus out of counties over a decrease in funding if the Dublin "cash cow" is upset and starts producing sour milk. In addition the decision making of Leinster Council makes some wonder why bother, the prime example being Laois forced to play the Dubs in Nowlan Park because O'Moore Park wasn't deemed up to it but the following year O'Moore Park was deemed fine for the Dubs but that was no addition to Laois. We all know this is a competition that badly needs something to give counties something to grasp onto, a home game would be something and I imagine the Westmeath players would be much more up for the thoughts of playing the Dubs if it were in Cusack Park, there is no logical reason why it can't happen, Kildare did show a couple of years back if you dig your heels in in the interest of fairness and equality alone, then you can achieve something, and it is time that all counties in Leinster ignored the talk about money and health and safety and just based their decision on fairness. Ok the comparison with season tickets of soccer teams is probably not totally equal but the core of the argument I think is relevant, the season ticket should be reworked and holders aware that a seat is not always guaranteed depending on seating capacity at a particular venue, this shouldn't be a big issue to sort at all, the Parnell Park ticket holders in Dublin's case really shouldn't be entitled to a seat at all I would think as that scheme is an internal Dublin scheme that shouldn't effect provincial or national fixtures but the issue here is not Dublin it's Leinster Council and has always been Leinster Council and their wonderful ability to make an ailing provincial championship even more redundant with their unfair fixture making

Richieq (Meath) - Posts: 3491 - 09/10/2019 00:00:10    2242230

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Look the reality is that Dublin have to play where other counties tell them to play. It's a crying shame that they, more often than not, deny our fans the opportunity to travel. Unfortunately we are just pawns, puppets on a string if you will, when it comes to game venues. If other counties have a problem with it then they should lobby their own people and members of the Leinster Council. Of course whatever mechanism is reached for deciding venues should then apply to all counties, not just Dublin.

Joxer (Dublin) - Posts: 4055 - 09/10/2019 09:47:54    2242258

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Oh ignorance is so so bliss..This is the same Kildare who were told you have no choice but to play Dublin game in croker if you want help with your debt for developing a centre of excellence in order to try and compete with the Leinster council backed Dublin gaa.. Something, along with a home venue Dublin never have to contribute towards..
cuttothebone (Kildare) - Posts: 110 - 08/10/2019 23:20:40 2


Who told them?

They had a choice and made one.

It is entirely up to the Leinster Counties that make up the Leinster Council where these games are played.

MesAmis (Dublin) - Posts: 12747 - 09/10/2019 10:38:56    2242279

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