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Munster SFC draw 2020: Kerry v Cork in the semi-final!

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Replying To KingdomBoy1:  "Boats and hoe's boats and hoe's ,
I've got to have me some boats and hoe's."
Classy as always.
Yourself and thehermit spring to mind. ;-)

Dubh_linn (Dublin) - Posts: 2107 - 10/10/2019 11:17:44    2242527

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Replying To KingdomBoy1:  "He doesn't do solutions bud."
Its fairer and much fairer than it has been. Fairest is to have an open draw where anyone can be one of the two semi finalists.

At least it is not as bad as it used to be with Cork and Kerry kept apart on either side of the draw.

Clare, limerick, Tipp and Waterford will hit the preseason grind with a little bit more optimism than usual.

2020 is massive for Tipp football with it being the anniversary of our last All Ireland and Bloody Sunday. It would be the stuff of dreams for Tipp to win a provincial title next year. The way Clare Cork and Kerry played in championship this year it is unlikely but we live in hope.

Killarney.87 (Tipperary) - Posts: 2508 - 10/10/2019 12:50:11    2242549

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Replying To Killarney.87:  "Its fairer and much fairer than it has been. Fairest is to have an open draw where anyone can be one of the two semi finalists.

At least it is not as bad as it used to be with Cork and Kerry kept apart on either side of the draw.

Clare, limerick, Tipp and Waterford will hit the preseason grind with a little bit more optimism than usual.

2020 is massive for Tipp football with it being the anniversary of our last All Ireland and Bloody Sunday. It would be the stuff of dreams for Tipp to win a provincial title next year. The way Clare Cork and Kerry played in championship this year it is unlikely but we live in hope."
Munster has 6 counties and thus two byes ti the semi-finals. The nurse to the semi-finals are earned by making the final in the previous year. The winner of Waterford/Limerick v Clare/Tipperary will earn their 2021 bye to the semi-finals on the field of play. That is fair. Tipperary earned it a few years ago when they made the Munster final. Munster has fixture equity. Munster has venue equity. We all get on with the game as those of us did in Ennis while others were watching some Champions League final.

legendzxix (Kerry) - Posts: 6234 - 10/10/2019 12:59:02    2242552

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Replying To Killarney.87:  "Its fairer and much fairer than it has been. Fairest is to have an open draw where anyone can be one of the two semi finalists.

At least it is not as bad as it used to be with Cork and Kerry kept apart on either side of the draw.

Clare, limerick, Tipp and Waterford will hit the preseason grind with a little bit more optimism than usual.

2020 is massive for Tipp football with it being the anniversary of our last All Ireland and Bloody Sunday. It would be the stuff of dreams for Tipp to win a provincial title next year. The way Clare Cork and Kerry played in championship this year it is unlikely but we live in hope."
Yes it it slightly fairer but again it's another example of the provincial system and it's shortcomings.
There should be a 2 tier championship with home and away fixtures played right across the spring and summer months.
Play it as a league format with bottom 4 in tier 1 relegated and top four in tier 2 promoted .

More games for the players and more quality games brought around the country.

By the way, it would be great to see Tipp do something special next year and a nice tribute to the victims of Bloody Sunday.

Dubh_linn (Dublin) - Posts: 2107 - 10/10/2019 13:36:30    2242561

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Replying To Dubh_linn:  "Classy as always.
Yourself and thehermit spring to mind. ;-)"
It's a great tune though.

KingdomBoy1 (Kerry) - Posts: 9714 - 10/10/2019 14:36:10    2242573

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I wouldn't argue against merging Munster with connacht, maybe do the same for Leinster/Ulster

DuhallowRed (Cork) - Posts: 19 - 10/10/2019 18:56:52    2242636

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Replying To KingdomBoy1:  "It's a great tune though."
Your man Reilly would pass for a member of the Kerry backroom team.

Dubh_linn (Dublin) - Posts: 2107 - 10/10/2019 20:02:03    2242654

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People have voted unfortunately no one wants to watch Munster football, it's only played for the sake of it. It performs a predictable perfunctionary role.

Crowds, TV etc, it's a dead competition, worst in the country. The final wasn't bad this year mind, but no one cares about Munster football.

Hurling is great mind.

TheUsername (Dublin) - Posts: 2918 - 10/10/2019 20:02:59    2242655

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Replying To TheUsername:  "People have voted unfortunately no one wants to watch Munster football, it's only played for the sake of it. It performs a predictable perfunctionary role.

Crowds, TV etc, it's a dead competition, worst in the country. The final wasn't bad this year mind, but no one cares about Munster football.

Hurling is great mind."
You could substitute "Leinster" for "Munster" and make the exact same statement...apart from the Leinster final...that was one of the worst provincial final in years...

county man (Limerick) - Posts: 1079 - 10/10/2019 21:16:27    2242679

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Replying To DuhallowRed:  "I wouldn't argue against merging Munster with connacht, maybe do the same for Leinster/Ulster"
Even leaving Leinster and Ulster alone you could have 3 tournaments of relativity similar size if Munster and Connaught were merged and if London and NY were moved

Breezy (Limerick) - Posts: 295 - 10/10/2019 21:23:30    2242683

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Munster has fixture equity. Munster has venue equity. There have been 2 All-Munster All-Ireland finals. Tipperary have made the All-Ireland semi-finals. Clare and Limerick have made the All-Ireland quarter-finals. Kerry won the Munster Championship without a game in Killarney.

legendzxix (Kerry) - Posts: 6234 - 10/10/2019 22:03:29    2242690

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Replying To TheUsername:  "People have voted unfortunately no one wants to watch Munster football, it's only played for the sake of it. It performs a predictable perfunctionary role.

Crowds, TV etc, it's a dead competition, worst in the country. The final wasn't bad this year mind, but no one cares about Munster football.

Hurling is great mind."
What people have voted?
Have you comparisons of TV viewership of Munster games as opposed to, say, Leinster?
Have you ever been to places like West Cork, if you had you'd never make a statement like no one cares about football down there with a straight face.
Talking with that insufferable sense of authority of yours about a place you probably couldn't find on a map, stick to spoofing about the capital boy....

TheHermit (Kerry) - Posts: 5058 - 10/10/2019 22:06:00    2242691

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Replying To county man:  "You could substitute "Leinster" for "Munster" and make the exact same statement...apart from the Leinster final...that was one of the worst provincial final in years..."
Agreed Leinster is as gone as uncompetitive, I've an axe to grind with the Leinster Championship too. It's currently a waste of time. Didn't really post my point about Munster to compare provincial wangs.

There is just zero interest in the Munster Football Championship, crowds at games throughout the championship are the poorest in the country and that internally, no TV market, zero competitiveness, there just isn't a point to it. Hurling in the county is the exact opposite on all those aspects. The Munster football Championship is the worst competition at senior inter-county level and their is zero interest in it, internally and externally.

The total provincial attendances for 2019 are below:

1.Munster Hurling 280,410
2.Leinster Hurling 143,303
3.Ulster Football 134,847
4.Leinster Football 118,528
5.Connacht Football 62,730
6.Munster Football 30,614

Leinster is another rubbish championship admittedly and the Leinster final was one of the worst games of football I attended there was a crowd of 47k at it, 17k more then the entire Munster football Championship.

Contrast the crowds between Munster hurling and Football, different structures admittedly but it's clear no one in or outside of Munster sees any worth in the football championship, it's a waste of time and probably operates at a massive loss. It's pointless.

Only Cork can save Munster Football Championship.

TheUsername (Dublin) - Posts: 2918 - 10/10/2019 22:28:10    2242694

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Replying To legendzxix:  "Munster has 6 counties and thus two byes ti the semi-finals. The nurse to the semi-finals are earned by making the final in the previous year. The winner of Waterford/Limerick v Clare/Tipperary will earn their 2021 bye to the semi-finals on the field of play. That is fair. Tipperary earned it a few years ago when they made the Munster final. Munster has fixture equity. Munster has venue equity. We all get on with the game as those of us did in Ennis while others were watching some Champions League final."
Tipp won Munster hurling finals in the last 12 years and were drawn out as one of the two quarter finalists for the following year's completely open and fair championship. We didn't get any preferential treatment or sought it either.

Killarney.87 (Tipperary) - Posts: 2508 - 11/10/2019 14:54:13    2242829

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Replying To Dubh_linn:  "Yes it it slightly fairer but again it's another example of the provincial system and it's shortcomings.
There should be a 2 tier championship with home and away fixtures played right across the spring and summer months.
Play it as a league format with bottom 4 in tier 1 relegated and top four in tier 2 promoted .

More games for the players and more quality games brought around the country.

By the way, it would be great to see Tipp do something special next year and a nice tribute to the victims of Bloody Sunday."
Thanks Dubh_linn fingers crossed we'll give it a right old crack again next year. We've lost a lot of ground on Kerry, Cork, and Clare since 2016.

Hopefully the change of management will give the team a new lease of life because there a some very good players there with lots to offer to Tipp.

Killarney.87 (Tipperary) - Posts: 2508 - 11/10/2019 14:58:20    2242830

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How about split the Munster championship in to 2 groups of 3, assuring the smaller teams have 2 games of experience before the all Ireland

DuhallowRed (Cork) - Posts: 19 - 11/10/2019 16:43:17    2242846

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Replying To TheUsername:  "Agreed Leinster is as gone as uncompetitive, I've an axe to grind with the Leinster Championship too. It's currently a waste of time. Didn't really post my point about Munster to compare provincial wangs.

There is just zero interest in the Munster Football Championship, crowds at games throughout the championship are the poorest in the country and that internally, no TV market, zero competitiveness, there just isn't a point to it. Hurling in the county is the exact opposite on all those aspects. The Munster football Championship is the worst competition at senior inter-county level and their is zero interest in it, internally and externally.

The total provincial attendances for 2019 are below:

1.Munster Hurling 280,410
2.Leinster Hurling 143,303
3.Ulster Football 134,847
4.Leinster Football 118,528
5.Connacht Football 62,730
6.Munster Football 30,614

Leinster is another rubbish championship admittedly and the Leinster final was one of the worst games of football I attended there was a crowd of 47k at it, 17k more then the entire Munster football Championship.

Contrast the crowds between Munster hurling and Football, different structures admittedly but it's clear no one in or outside of Munster sees any worth in the football championship, it's a waste of time and probably operates at a massive loss. It's pointless.

Only Cork can save Munster Football Championship."
Exactly my point. Counties need to get out of hurling and football where their standing will not improve in the next 100 years. Concentrate on one sport that is run on a country wide basis. The GAA put extra resources into to the bottom teams. The club games in both sports will not change and can be played as usual. KIlkenny are an example. Football did not get better or worse when they decided not to field a county team.
Does anyone one here talking about different systems and tiers believe that the Kilkenny's Waterford's etc. will ever challenge the bottom of the top even? This is a useless exercise, going no where and set up to keep whipping boys. Two many counties would not beat the junior champions from the top teams. That is reality and no other sport would have such a disparity between teams operating in the premier competitions.

Canuck (Waterford) - Posts: 637 - 11/10/2019 17:36:27    2242862

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