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Kerry 4 In A Row V Dublin 5 In A Row

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I think Kerry's 4 in a row 78-82 was more impressive from a team and football point of view. I also think their run from 78-86 is more impressive than Dublin's 2011-2019 run. Dublin are more impressive from the point of view of organisation, planning, coaching and learning.

The finances skew the argument too.

slayer (Limerick) - Posts: 6480 - 18/09/2019 19:22:37    2237289

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Replying To legendzxix:  "Sure. Having 3 counties in 1 is more helpful than having 1 county in 1.

Congratulations on a good achievement for Dublin and winter well."
LoL
So Tipp had 2 counties then yeah.? TN and TS
Limerick also.

You need to learn the difference between a County and a County Council. lol

But keep trying. You are keeping us all amused.

The fact that it hurts Kerry folk so very much is making this FIVE IN A ROW all the sweeter.
It really is.
Haven't stopped smiling since Sat.

We are all Buzzin for the Half Dozen. ;o)

Fionn (Dublin) - Posts: 3732 - 18/09/2019 19:26:19    2237292

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Replying To Kerrymanlegend:  "Think Kerry 4 in a row is more impressive as they used the exact same 15 players year in year out and had no subs whereas the Dublin team changed every year from 2015 to 2019.."
There's no way that Kerry team was better. God love them they had no money to make them better and look at the population compared to Dublin. That's what you've been telling us makes a team so great on here so a bit silly to bring up this comparison.

SaffronDon (Antrim) - Posts: 2385 - 18/09/2019 19:42:21    2237300

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Kerry won their provincial championship without any home game in Killarney.

The top 6 Leinster counties by population: (excluding Dublin City)
1. Fingal - 296,020
2. South Dublin - 278,767
3. Kildare - 222,504
4. Dún Laoghaire-Rathdown - 218,018
5. Meath - 195,044
6. Wexford - 149,722

Congratulations again to Dublin on a good achievement for them. Winter well!

legendzxix (Kerry) - Posts: 7844 - 18/09/2019 20:10:17    2237318

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Replying To slayer:  "I think Kerry's 4 in a row 78-82 was more impressive from a team and football point of view. I also think their run from 78-86 is more impressive than Dublin's 2011-2019 run. Dublin are more impressive from the point of view of organisation, planning, coaching and learning.

The finances skew the argument too."
I suppose you would have to consider the amount of games won and quality of the opposition. This Dublin era has arguably contained the greatest Mayo and Donegal team to play the game. In 2011 Dublin effectively retired the greatest Tyrone team of all time and one of the great Kerry teams with defeats in 11 and 13. They have broken more records than any other team and this team arguably contains some of the greatest players to play in their respective positions. I honestly don't think there's an argument and I think there has never been a greater group of players, but I am biased of course.

Joxer (Dublin) - Posts: 4700 - 18/09/2019 20:41:56    2237331

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5 > 4

waynoI (Dublin) - Posts: 13650 - 18/09/2019 21:15:49    2237342

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I don't really want to be pointing this out.

If a swimmer has an average record, then wins 3 Olympic gold medals and is subsequently banned for a doping violation. What's the conclusion?

Dublin never won 3 in-a-row before. Some people speak of financial doping. It's accepted that millions and millions were pumped in. All of a sudden we have a runaway train seeking 6+ in-a-row. What's the conclusion?

I often use the example of England's professional women dominating an amateur Six Nations. Some get it. Some do not. Winter well regardless!

legendzxix (Kerry) - Posts: 7844 - 18/09/2019 21:20:21    2237344

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Replying To Joxer:  "I suppose you would have to consider the amount of games won and quality of the opposition. This Dublin era has arguably contained the greatest Mayo and Donegal team to play the game. In 2011 Dublin effectively retired the greatest Tyrone team of all time and one of the great Kerry teams with defeats in 11 and 13. They have broken more records than any other team and this team arguably contains some of the greatest players to play in their respective positions. I honestly don't think there's an argument and I think there has never been a greater group of players, but I am biased of course."
Spot on.
Don't forget Super 8's and other teams
having a back door get out of jail card as Mayo have used.

The quality of teams Kerry met were not nearly at the same level as Mayo, Tyrone etc.

There is no argument at all here.

Even ex kerry players had said as much.
So that is it. Let's put this one to bed.

Fionn (Dublin) - Posts: 3732 - 18/09/2019 21:26:20    2237346

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Replying To legendzxix:  "I don't really want to be pointing this out.

If a swimmer has an average record, then wins 3 Olympic gold medals and is subsequently banned for a doping violation. What's the conclusion?

Dublin never won 3 in-a-row before. Some people speak of financial doping. It's accepted that millions and millions were pumped in. All of a sudden we have a runaway train seeking 6+ in-a-row. What's the conclusion?

I often use the example of England's professional women dominating an amateur Six Nations. Some get it. Some do not. Winter well regardless!"
We will, thanks!

DUBJOHN (Dublin) - Posts: 932 - 18/09/2019 22:12:06    2237362

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Replying To HighKings:  "You can't compare at all.

For Kerry's successful period:
Ulster counties back then for very obvious reasons were hamstrung and couldn't compete properly. A lot of counties were very poorly organised and didn't train properly. The Kerry lads were training very seriously and had a huge fitness advantage. Including taking off work in order to train. Now a days all counties have a pretty reasonable setup and train intensively. Some counties back then prioritised club games over county. Meath was one such county which had a greater focus on club over county during that period.

Dublin's big advantage is population which they've finally harnessed. Can't criticise them for that, it simply highlights the inequalities that have always existed in the county system.

Kinda pointless comparing. But obviously 5 is better than 4 lol"
Lol what you say about Ulster counties is fair enough but why didn't a Dublin , a cork , a Mayo do a 4 in a row?? Kerry did do pointless argument boy you.

Kerrymanlegend (Kerry) - Posts: 31 - 18/09/2019 22:47:59    2237379

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The argument about 3 counties is valid. But while Dublin have a massive pick they are catering for most people who want to play the game too. Junior F hurling for example.

So while the population and finances available to Dublin are bigger they have a lot of teams/players where there is zero return on investment for their Senior Football or hurling teams. There is a lot of planning, organisation and coaching at those levels and it doesn't exactly help their first team.

I think financial doping is a bit harsh. Dublin have finances available that other counties can dream of but they are using them wisely. If they were a business they'd be 10/10.

Personally I would place more value on Kerry's 4 in a row. But simple maths say Dublin won 5 in a row. I think they will do 7 in a row and at that point changes will be made to address the dominance.

slayer (Limerick) - Posts: 6480 - 18/09/2019 22:50:18    2237382

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Replying To legendzxix:  "I don't really want to be pointing this out.

If a swimmer has an average record, then wins 3 Olympic gold medals and is subsequently banned for a doping violation. What's the conclusion?

Dublin never won 3 in-a-row before. Some people speak of financial doping. It's accepted that millions and millions were pumped in. All of a sudden we have a runaway train seeking 6+ in-a-row. What's the conclusion?

I often use the example of England's professional women dominating an amateur Six Nations. Some get it. Some do not. Winter well regardless!"
Your analogy is completely false of course. It's very simplistic and straight out of the tropical keyboard warrior guide to dis'ing Dublin GAA. When did the big bucks start rolling into Dublin? This Dublin team was developing in about 2007 or earlier when these players were mid teens. How much money was flowing into Dublin then and how was it being used to develop Paul Flynn, Dermot Connolly and Stephen Cluxton.l? I think you know the answer. It's like claiming that the millions pumped into Kerry GAA by the billion euro Kerry Grouo industry manufactured Colm Cooper or that the million euros pumped into the Kerry centre of excellence by the same conglomerate manufactured David Moran. We in Dublin can admit that this is not the case. Good Kerry men who know their football reciprocate the sentiment.

Joxer (Dublin) - Posts: 4700 - 18/09/2019 22:55:29    2237386

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Replying To Joxer:  "I suppose you would have to consider the amount of games won and quality of the opposition. This Dublin era has arguably contained the greatest Mayo and Donegal team to play the game. In 2011 Dublin effectively retired the greatest Tyrone team of all time and one of the great Kerry teams with defeats in 11 and 13. They have broken more records than any other team and this team arguably contains some of the greatest players to play in their respective positions. I honestly don't think there's an argument and I think there has never been a greater group of players, but I am biased of course."
Tyrone went to the well one last time in 08 and were already a spent force in 2009 when Cork beat them. No prizes for beating Tyrone after 08.

essmac (Tyrone) - Posts: 1141 - 18/09/2019 22:56:35    2237387

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Replying To Fionn:  "Spot on.
Don't forget Super 8's and other teams
having a back door get out of jail card as Mayo have used.

The quality of teams Kerry met were not nearly at the same level as Mayo, Tyrone etc.

There is no argument at all here.

Even ex kerry players had said as much.
So that is it. Let's put this one to bed."
Yes, history is always written by the winners and stats always trump judgements. Some good players and a lot of superbly conditioned players and the best team spirit and work ethic in the country, obviously. In that overall sense, probably the best team ever. Modern game with its emphasis on high-return shot selection and training-ground swarm support play doesn't even need yer Gooches and yer Canavans any more either. Gone are the days of a maverick genius turning a game. It's now more of a team effort than ever before. Modern players may indeed be the greatest geniuses ever to walk the earth, as you'd like to have us believe, but pardon me for being a bit sceptical about that particular self-serving narrative.

essmac (Tyrone) - Posts: 1141 - 18/09/2019 23:09:58    2237390

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Replying To Joxer:  "Yes but skill levels, fitness levels and tactics are lightyears ahead of the hoof ball that was played in the 80s let's face it."
With hobnail boots and brass wire for laces, socks with more wool than a flock of sheep. A good session for 5 in a row Dublin team is like a 3 hour workout, for 4 in a row Kerry it was 24 pints, can't compare.

arock (Dublin) - Posts: 4896 - 19/09/2019 00:47:23    2237412

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Replying To Joxer:  "Your analogy is completely false of course. It's very simplistic and straight out of the tropical keyboard warrior guide to dis'ing Dublin GAA. When did the big bucks start rolling into Dublin? This Dublin team was developing in about 2007 or earlier when these players were mid teens. How much money was flowing into Dublin then and how was it being used to develop Paul Flynn, Dermot Connolly and Stephen Cluxton.l? I think you know the answer. It's like claiming that the millions pumped into Kerry GAA by the billion euro Kerry Grouo industry manufactured Colm Cooper or that the million euros pumped into the Kerry centre of excellence by the same conglomerate manufactured David Moran. We in Dublin can admit that this is not the case. Good Kerry men who know their football reciprocate the sentiment."
Except he's not from Kerry Joxer nor a follower of football, he's Trojan horsing arguments for copy. You can guess who it is.

TheUsername (Dublin) - Posts: 4445 - 19/09/2019 05:41:08    2237415

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They are hurting bad in Kerry:)......

witnof (Dublin) - Posts: 1604 - 19/09/2019 06:26:44    2237419

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Replying To essmac:  "Yes, history is always written by the winners and stats always trump judgements. Some good players and a lot of superbly conditioned players and the best team spirit and work ethic in the country, obviously. In that overall sense, probably the best team ever. Modern game with its emphasis on high-return shot selection and training-ground swarm support play doesn't even need yer Gooches and yer Canavans any more either. Gone are the days of a maverick genius turning a game. It's now more of a team effort than ever before. Modern players may indeed be the greatest geniuses ever to walk the earth, as you'd like to have us believe, but pardon me for being a bit sceptical about that particular self-serving narrative."
Gone are the days of a maverick genius turning a game - ????? I dunno about that.
So what is Jack McCaffrey or King Con then..???
Their goals and performances have lit up this years championship.

Fionn (Dublin) - Posts: 3732 - 19/09/2019 07:55:35    2237434

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Both great achievements as were the previous Kilkenny, Kerry and Wexford ones.
Still, I know which one I'd prefer and the history books will record as the greatest.
People can debate all the want and that's fine and good but it's not changing anything these players have achieved.
Laughing at how the Trump distraction technique mongers have gone into overdrive after Saturday on here.
Keep up the good work guys.
We're having a good time.

Dubh_linn (Dublin) - Posts: 2312 - 19/09/2019 08:10:37    2237437

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Replying To essmac:  "Tyrone went to the well one last time in 08 and were already a spent force in 2009 when Cork beat them. No prizes for beating Tyrone after 08."
Beaten by 2 points by a great Donegal team in the Ulster Championship that year. Far from gone but Donegal were beginning to wrestle control of Ulster in 11.

Joxer (Dublin) - Posts: 4700 - 19/09/2019 08:12:29    2237438

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