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Interesting point. Thanks for your contribution
whiterbannnas (Mayo) - Posts: 2441 - 18/09/2019 09:17:29 2236967 Link 1 |
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Issue is not keep ball. Take Dublin's case in the 2nd half. Had a lead and Kerry at times had 14 or 15 behind the ball...so what do you expect Dublin to do??? witnof (Dublin) - Posts: 1604 - 18/09/2019 09:19:52 2236969 Link 0 |
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Kick rugby?
lady_gaagaa (Westmeath) - Posts: 97 - 18/09/2019 11:09:30 2237004 Link 2 |
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I have people visit and watch football and hurling who don't see both games. They are intrigued watching hurling. They ask is football some sort of soccer or field basketball. At half time they go out,play with the kids and don't come back. In the past similar visitor would draw a correlation between Gaelic football, Aussie football and rugby. That tells you where our game has gone and I am not anti football. It was my first sport.
Canuck (Waterford) - Posts: 2655 - 18/09/2019 14:36:59 2237152 Link 0 |
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I think so many people on this thread have made poor suggestions with regards to improving the state of the game. So many suggestions on how to limit teams in possession, with the focus being on the team with the ball. The real problem that leads to a poor spectacle is what teams are doing when they don't have it. Teams packing players inside their 45 and only really contesting for possession at that point, teams not contesting opposition kickouts for fear they wont have time to pack the defence etc. To improve the game the focus should be on encouraging teams to defend in a positive manner. Dublin provided a great demonstration in the draw game in the last 10 minutes. lady_gaagaa (Westmeath) - Posts: 97 - 18/09/2019 15:25:15 2237177 Link 2 |
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I play myself as I'm sure a lot of you do too, but quite frankly if you win the game that's what matters. If I was playing in an AI final and we won by keeping possession then happy days job done and most importantly you won, I certainly wouldn't be worried about how the viewers at home see it. Rather than find a way to change it maybe we should focus more on how to overcome it, there would be nothing stopping a team that is behind and playing against this to full court press and gamble for the turnover and counter attack, so why complain when they don't take the risk and allow the boring style of play to continue? Inevitably they are the team behind and sometimes when you're behind you need to take risks boman11 (Antrim) - Posts: 237 - 18/09/2019 15:48:21 2237187 Link 0 |
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The problem boman11 we have changed the game already and in my opinion for the worst. A fisted pass took longer to execute than push off with the hand. Taking longer to execute meant there were more turn overs. So players used their boot more often because it was as reliable. This one change had more effect on more effect on playing keep ball, going backwards and blanket defence. Kicking frees and line balls has taken from the skill required to score a free. Maybe the line ball is understandable, especially in winter time and to speed up that part of the game. Like I have said before watching the free taker walking around 10 to 20 meters before kicking is horrible.Look teams can play the game however they choose but the rules should not encourage them to play the style we now see adopted. I am not saying it is practical to go backwards. (forgive the pun) One simple rule change that was suggested here would probably do it. The hand pass most go forward. I would suggest between the two 40 meter lines as forward in possession on the end line has no option but come back. No hand passing back to the goal tender. That may be two changes but both around the hand pass. It would be expecting too much to go back to the close hand fisted pass. Canuck (Waterford) - Posts: 2655 - 18/09/2019 18:12:16 2237264 Link 1 |
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Good post. I think the next team to beat Dublin will have a plan for winning the ball back when they are behind. I think it involves pushing out the defensive block and squeezing the play back or to the sides. Being able to then get access to the play from behind and to the sides. It'd take a coordinated, organised and proactive defense to accomplish it but I can see that happening soon enough. Sitting in, square within the 45 with 15 behind the ball is not going to beat Dublin now. Whammo86 (Antrim) - Posts: 4208 - 18/09/2019 18:15:47 2237266 Link 8 |
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I honestly think we are putting too much emphasis on beating Dublin rather than how the game is played. Dublin's time is now and that will end but there are 32 other teams who could benefit from better play. I think the team who adopts a more direct style of play, delivering the ball fast and accurately to ball winning forwards will be successful. That one little snippet of Connolly delivering such a pass showed that. The blanket defence nullified. They may line up further in but then it can be delivered to the half forwards to score points. I don't care it is not entertaining watching one side over and back waiting until a break through with the other side lined up across the field. That is not our game.
Canuck (Waterford) - Posts: 2655 - 18/09/2019 19:43:04 2237301 Link 1 |
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That's basketball, this is football.
arock (Dublin) - Posts: 4895 - 19/09/2019 00:28:48 2237407 Link 0 |
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nothing wrong with what he said about forward passing at all...many people will be glued to their TVs for the next few weeks watching a very technical game where you cant pass the ball forward yet you can pull the jersey off your opponent and haul them down anyway which way you want if they are about to score a try...I cannot fathom how people follow such a sport to be honest..to be seen supporting I think is alot of it...
Fairplayalways (Offaly) - Posts: 1034 - 19/09/2019 10:28:54 2237479 Link 1 |
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It's so frustrating to watch teams concede the kickouts, especially against dublin! There is no way any team can beat dublin by doing this and i can't understand why so many teams do it.. as somebody else said already the way dublin pressured the kerry kickouts in last 10 mins of the 1st game is the way to go,
achara (Monaghan) - Posts: 561 - 19/09/2019 12:10:12 2237508 Link 0 |
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Kerry tried it the first day and conceded 1-3 using this approach so they went back to allowing Dublin build up from the back and hoped they could compete that way. Unfortunately Cluxton will find a way to hurt you with either tactic.
cavandub (Cavan) - Posts: 67 - 19/09/2019 12:21:42 2237514 Link 0 |
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I'm curious. Overall did you enjoy Saturday's match? Whammo86 (Antrim) - Posts: 4208 - 19/09/2019 13:21:28 2237538 Link 8 |
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That's the second time you've mentioned the Connolly Pass as a way of backing up your argument that this is the way to beat the blanket.. I'm sorry but there's probably no one else in the country who could pick a pass like that other than Connolly, let alone a host of players from each county. Connolly is a genius you cant coach a player to kick a pass like that. ConnollyDub (Dublin) - Posts: 2007 - 19/09/2019 14:02:59 2237556 Link 0 |
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Seems to work in other games. Of the seven football games in the world, only one seems to look down its nose at handling.
lionofludesch (Down) - Posts: 475 - 19/09/2019 14:15:19 2237560 Link 1 |
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Yes until the topic heading "keep ball started" started and a continuous string of hand passes over and back and back further. May be be good tactic but in my opinion brings the game into disrepute.
Canuck (Waterford) - Posts: 2655 - 19/09/2019 15:19:12 2237585 Link 0 |
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The players of the past did it. Training twice a week with less resources of 30 backroom support staff. It is hard to believe these great athletes of today can not prefect it.
Canuck (Waterford) - Posts: 2655 - 19/09/2019 15:23:04 2237587 Link 0 |
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The score of Dublin's where they kept the ball for about 90 seconds about 10 minutes in to the second half are you against that sort of play. I honestly quite liked it. Do you agree with the sentiment on here of most of us that it's the defending team at fault rather than the team executing the keep ball? Did you like the play from Kerry in the first half where the kicked it in 4 or 5 times and didn't win a possession? Those weren't even bad quality balls, they were very accurate at a good trajectory rather than looped in and none of them stuck. I honestly don't see the appeal in that personally. Whammo86 (Antrim) - Posts: 4208 - 19/09/2019 15:51:18 2237597 Link 8 |
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I just don't understand your point of view. Have you actually never considered what the losing team were doing or more importantly not doing to try and win the ball back? Seems you are happy to give the losing team that don't have possession a free pass in their role in allowing a team winning the game run down the clock under no pressure. Forget about looking at ways for the team winning the game not to do this by looking at ways of limiting them, and instead ask what teams losing such games can be doing to prevent it happening. The answer is that they can do much more within the current rules. As for the crazy suggestions about limiting handpasses to backwards motion only or to forward passes only. Lads have you ever considered how difficult that would be to enforce and ref. Can you imagine the whinging from fans, players and pundits alike when refs fail to get marginal calls right. The game is hard enough to ref as it is. lady_gaagaa (Westmeath) - Posts: 97 - 19/09/2019 16:00:29 2237603 Link 0 |