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David Gough To Referee The Final

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Replying To gallarus14:  "
Replying To Aibrean:  "Further to Dublin getting the major calls, etc.

Brian Gavin, retired referee, states in today's Irish Examiner: I was at the 2011 final between these counties and what I couldn't get over was the amount of fouling by th the Dublin players off the ball.

So maybe the wind is finally changing?"
It's a pity that it has taken 8 years for that statement to come out. But it just shows you what a bad reff like Dublin joe can do to a team. Like you say maybe refs are starting to cop on to Dublins off the ball antics now."
Sweet lantern, I'll admit our lads play on the edge but all teams do , please stop making out that we're the only team that plays on the edge , stephen o Brien semi final pulls a Tyrone man down black card , league final in '17 fitzsimon's pulled down on our last attack to get an equalizing point black card for the midfielder can't think of his name right now, every top team has an edge Mayo the same , stop making out that Kerry lads are angels please.

David Gough had a good game and cooper can have no complaint's with the second booking the first booking for me was harsh Clifford made a dive backwards to exaggerate the contact and Small dive to exaggerate the contact from O Sullivan aswell.

Refereeing these games is an impossible job They go out to do their best and if we keep abusing them after every game will have no one wanting to do the job in the future.

clondalkindub (Dublin) - Posts: 9926 - 02/09/2019 22:34:52    2232136

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Replying To gallarus14:  "
Replying To Aibrean:  "Further to Dublin getting the major calls, etc.

Brian Gavin, retired referee, states in today's Irish Examiner: I was at the 2011 final between these counties and what I couldn't get over was the amount of fouling by th the Dublin players off the ball.

So maybe the wind is finally changing?"
It's a pity that it has taken 8 years for that statement to come out. But it just shows you what a bad reff like Dublin joe can do to a team. Like you say maybe refs are starting to cop on to Dublins off the ball antics now."
It's just a pity that Kerry people, ex managers and players in particular, sought to attack Gough and question his integrity ahead of the game. Really poor form but not that surprising. I wonder what they'll have to say about their neighbour ahead of the replay.

Joxer (Dublin) - Posts: 4227 - 02/09/2019 23:22:18    2232155

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Replying To KingdomBoy1:  "Cooper had 5 fouls to Tom's 2 fouls, more fouls usually equal more cards.

Gough had a great game, all we wanted was a fair shot at it which we got, and that's all we want as well the next day."
But both of Tom o Sullivans were yellow card fouls.

Jonnycee (Longford) - Posts: 139 - 03/09/2019 00:42:05    2232173

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Replying To Aibrean:  "Further to Dublin getting the major calls, etc.

Brian Gavin, retired referee, states in today's Irish Examiner: I was at the 2011 final between these counties and what I couldn't get over was the amount of fouling by th the Dublin players off the ball.

So maybe the wind is finally changing?"
Kettle and a pot in that post.

Jonnycee (Longford) - Posts: 139 - 03/09/2019 00:43:32    2232174

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Replying To Dinosbar&grill:  "Yes but is there not a case that not every foul has to be a yellow card? Players can inadvertently foul another while trying their best to genuinelly get the ball. Very fast games and physical games, very difficult to stop yourself making contact with someone when going at top speed to get to the ball first. I just don't think there was enough in Cooper's second yellow to be even considered a yellow. He tried to get there first and there was a bit of a coming together. A free, fair enough, but not a yellow. You may as well say to players on yellow cards, keep out of 50-50 challenges because if there is any bumping into your opponent, you'll be off."
I think cooper was coming from behind to try and get a paw to the ball, and when he realized that Clifford had him turned he grabbed David's arm and pulled him down, so it was a black or a yellow either would have ended in a a red at that stage.

KingdomBoy1 (Kerry) - Posts: 10548 - 03/09/2019 07:53:29    2232190

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Replying To gallarus14:  "
Replying To Aibrean:  "Further to Dublin getting the major calls, etc.

Brian Gavin, retired referee, states in today's Irish Examiner: I was at the 2011 final between these counties and what I couldn't get over was the amount of fouling by th the Dublin players off the ball.

So maybe the wind is finally changing?"
It's a pity that it has taken 8 years for that statement to come out. But it just shows you what a bad reff like Dublin joe can do to a team. Like you say maybe refs are starting to cop on to Dublins off the ball antics now."
It/ll take more than 8 years for some fans to take their defeats on the chin and move on.

Dinosbar&grill (Dublin) - Posts: 23 - 03/09/2019 07:58:59    2232192

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Replying To KingdomBoy1:  "I think cooper was coming from behind to try and get a paw to the ball, and when he realized that Clifford had him turned he grabbed David's arm and pulled him down, so it was a black or a yellow either would have ended in a a red at that stage."
Not many would argue with that even if the first yellow was soft. But consistency is the key. If Cooper walks then O'Sullivan walks. Simple as that really. Massive bad call by Gough which could have cost Dublin the game, just like the soft peno. No doubt Aido and Eamo's words were ringing in his ears at the time.

Joxer (Dublin) - Posts: 4227 - 03/09/2019 08:49:38    2232205

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I heard Pilar Caffrey on the Marty Squad after the game. I thought he was very bitter about the referee. It was pretty much his only contribution to the programme. Very unfair.
If any other ref had been in charge there would have been pulling and dragging of players all over the pitch in the last ten minutes of the game. That didn't happen because Gough is lethal for pulling for that stuff. Lane is a good ref and did a good job last year but let's see how the last ten play out in the replay. The fact that he was doing the line on Sunday will give him a great feel for what to expect.
I saw him over by the Cusack stand last year having his photo taken with his kid just before the presentations. Lovely to see. Refs have families too and it's a huge day for them. Good luck to him in the replay

Sindar (Roscommon) - Posts: 270 - 03/09/2019 09:18:08    2232219

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Replying To Joxer:  "Not many would argue with that even if the first yellow was soft. But consistency is the key. If Cooper walks then O'Sullivan walks. Simple as that really. Massive bad call by Gough which could have cost Dublin the game, just like the soft peno. No doubt Aido and Eamo's words were ringing in his ears at the time."
Do you think it was unfair because the other player was better than him and therefore he should have been allowed play dirty and foul . It was the only way he could get the better of clifford

Ashrules (Dublin) - Posts: 323 - 03/09/2019 09:47:59    2232233

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Replying To KingdomBoy1:  "I think cooper was coming from behind to try and get a paw to the ball, and when he realized that Clifford had him turned he grabbed David's arm and pulled him down, so it was a black or a yellow either would have ended in a a red at that stage."
100% agree. He can have no complaints about his second yellow, and the thing about it was Clifford wouldn't have got the ball it was gone by him crazy from Jonny.

clondalkindub (Dublin) - Posts: 9926 - 03/09/2019 10:06:33    2232243

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Replying To Jonnycee:  "But both of Tom o Sullivans were yellow card fouls."
The second one wasn't. Gough didn't buy the dive and he ticked O'Sullivan for a very minor foul as per the rules. Look at the replay and there simply isn't enough contact to knock Small right off his feet like that.

GeniusGerry (Kerry) - Posts: 1748 - 03/09/2019 10:13:57    2232251

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Replying To Joxer:  "Not many would argue with that even if the first yellow was soft. But consistency is the key. If Cooper walks then O'Sullivan walks. Simple as that really. Massive bad call by Gough which could have cost Dublin the game, just like the soft peno. No doubt Aido and Eamo's words were ringing in his ears at the time."
If there was consistently good referring Cooper would find it difficult to finish any match on the field of play as he continually fouls off and on the ball (like at least one other) -the problem in this match is that he got caught. He would have been fine with Dublin Joe and a few other 'top class Refs'.

browncows (Meath) - Posts: 2120 - 03/09/2019 10:23:34    2232258

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Replying To Joxer:  "
Replying To gallarus14:  "[quote=Aibrean:  "Further to Dublin getting the major calls, etc.

Brian Gavin, retired referee, states in today's Irish Examiner: I was at the 2011 final between these counties and what I couldn't get over was the amount of fouling by th the Dublin players off the ball.

So maybe the wind is finally changing?"
It's a pity that it has taken 8 years for that statement to come out. But it just shows you what a bad reff like Dublin joe can do to a team. Like you say maybe refs are starting to cop on to Dublins off the ball antics now."
It's just a pity that Kerry people, ex managers and players in particular, sought to attack Gough and question his integrity ahead of the game. Really poor form but not that surprising. I wonder what they'll have to say about their neighbour ahead of the replay."]Please, oh please show me where "Kerry people, ex managers and players in particular, sought to attack Gough and question his integrity". This is your interpretation. You need to support your view with some logical argument and maybe quotes - that's how debates are normally conducted. Wild statements on their own will not suffice.

For example. A few years ago the Dublin Co. Board had a referee actually removed. This is a fact and having established that fact I logically go on to conclude that the Dublin Co. Board acted very badly and "attacked the referee's reputation". See: first fact, then conclusion. Can you follow?

The point being made by Kerry people and others - I made it here in April - is that a Dublin based referee, Gough or A. N. Other, should not in PRINCIPAL be reffing Dublin games. Is that not a perfectly reasonable view? Of course you may disagree but it's a perfectly reasonable view. Equally, a Kerry based referee should not be reffing a Kerry game. Quite simple - no rocket science here.

I thought that David Gough had a good game on Sunday.

Aibrean (Kerry) - Posts: 169 - 03/09/2019 10:30:14    2232261

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Replying To Sindar:  "I heard Pilar Caffrey on the Marty Squad after the game. I thought he was very bitter about the referee. It was pretty much his only contribution to the programme. Very unfair.
If any other ref had been in charge there would have been pulling and dragging of players all over the pitch in the last ten minutes of the game. That didn't happen because Gough is lethal for pulling for that stuff. Lane is a good ref and did a good job last year but let's see how the last ten play out in the replay. The fact that he was doing the line on Sunday will give him a great feel for what to expect.
I saw him over by the Cusack stand last year having his photo taken with his kid just before the presentations. Lovely to see. Refs have families too and it's a huge day for them. Good luck to him in the replay"
Pillar is from the same club as Jonny of course he's going to only see it one way in all fairness.

clondalkindub (Dublin) - Posts: 9926 - 03/09/2019 10:30:33    2232263

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Replying To Dinosbar&grill:  "
Replying To gallarus14:  "[quote=Aibrean:  "Further to Dublin getting the major calls, etc.

Brian Gavin, retired referee, states in today's Irish Examiner: I was at the 2011 final between these counties and what I couldn't get over was the amount of fouling by th the Dublin players off the ball.

So maybe the wind is finally changing?"
It's a pity that it has taken 8 years for that statement to come out. But it just shows you what a bad reff like Dublin joe can do to a team. Like you say maybe refs are starting to cop on to Dublins off the ball antics now."
It/ll take more than 8 years for some fans to take their defeats on the chin and move on."]Most folk thinks it a joke the way fouling off the ball and on the ball is allowed in Croke Park-those sort of incidents are not allowed in most club matches.

browncows (Meath) - Posts: 2120 - 03/09/2019 10:30:39    2232264

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Replying To Joxer:  "Not many would argue with that even if the first yellow was soft. But consistency is the key. If Cooper walks then O'Sullivan walks. Simple as that really. Massive bad call by Gough which could have cost Dublin the game, just like the soft peno. No doubt Aido and Eamo's words were ringing in his ears at the time."
Why does O'Sullivan have to walk if Cooper does? Please enlighten us.

I think we have a good shout for the referee of the replay right here.... lol

boman11 (Antrim) - Posts: 237 - 03/09/2019 10:40:01    2232269

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Replying To clondalkindub:  "100% agree. He can have no complaints about his second yellow, and the thing about it was Clifford wouldn't have got the ball it was gone by him crazy from Jonny."
Aye no complaints on the sending off, the peno was a bit soft but you see them given. I thought Kerry got the better of the decisions but i wouldn't crib about it.

I wouldnt put it past Jonny to have a stormenr th enext day, Fitzey will go on Young David of Fossa and Jonny onto Geaney.

We will have an extra man in defense again the next day, unless Kerry drop Barry and sure why would they do that, i think on that score we can feel comfortable enough to move Jamsey into midfield and let Fenton be the decoy.

TheUsername (Dublin) - Posts: 3283 - 03/09/2019 10:46:11    2232271

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Replying To TheUsername:  "Aye no complaints on the sending off, the peno was a bit soft but you see them given. I thought Kerry got the better of the decisions but i wouldn't crib about it.

I wouldnt put it past Jonny to have a stormenr th enext day, Fitzey will go on Young David of Fossa and Jonny onto Geaney.

We will have an extra man in defense again the next day, unless Kerry drop Barry and sure why would they do that, i think on that score we can feel comfortable enough to move Jamsey into midfield and let Fenton be the decoy."
He might be on the bench for the replay! Although I'm not sure Gavin has the confidence of the bench he had in previous years

Sindar (Roscommon) - Posts: 270 - 03/09/2019 11:14:40    2232287

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Replying To boman11:  "Why does O'Sullivan have to walk if Cooper does? Please enlighten us.

I think we have a good shout for the referee of the replay right here.... lol"
You are right. Tom had two fouls called all game, one bookable, one tickable. Comparing that to the litany of fouls committed by Johnny Cooper and the circumstances in which he got sent off is apples and oranges.

There seems to be an underlying expectation that a ref has to 'even things up' when he gets the opportunity regardless of the offence. He doesn't.

GeniusGerry (Kerry) - Posts: 1748 - 03/09/2019 11:19:24    2232290

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Sad to see really. I think everyone can agree on that.

https://mobile.twitter.com/kevincoakley7/status/1168654549340626944

TheUsername (Dublin) - Posts: 3283 - 03/09/2019 13:24:07    2232375

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