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Lots well earned praise for a warrior team. Not enough questioning of management decisions and the attitude of the players group over the last decade.This is a group of players who publicly got rid of Holmes and Connolly.Furtively and slyly saw Rochford out.Gave hom no support when he wanted to stay on. Sought out James to return. Question.What thinking inspired the selection of Dermot O C,Vaughan,and Ruane last Saturday? A totally farcical decision frankly. The halo on Hennelleys head for the "trajectory" of his kick out was burned to ashes last Saturday.Who coaches the keeper. By the same token the minor keeper was a shambles on Saturday. Poor decision making on and off the pitch has also been part and parcel of the set up. The so called playing on the edge has led to costly dismissals and even more costly fees. The players as a group over the years were ruthlessly decisive in their choice of management. Sadly that ruthless decisiveness didn't unfold in big games. Discipline has been very poor too often.

Brinsley Swartz (Mayo) - Posts: 2225 - 12/08/2019 23:31:50    2224965

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People were brainwashed into believing Clarke was injured, there was feck all wrong with him in the warm up before the game, the breaffy mob wanted their man in goals instead and again made a mess of things, it is the managers job to manage and the players job to play. If I were Clarke I'd retire and let them sort out their mess, as for our forwards 3 inexperienced players 1 of those just back from a long injury, another player just back from long injury and as for the remaining 2 1 of them his knees are banjaxed the other is past his best, we were set up to hold out as ling as we could until Andy Moran and McLoughlin came on to close out the game, a stupid decision especially when you had the likes of Regan, Loftus etc on the bench, McLoughlin should have started when we knew Doherty was out, time to get more younger players a chance.
Again I'll ask where are our 2013 minor team and our 2016 U21 team, they would be in their mid 20s by now and should be in the panel and starting games, without youth we have nothing

riverboys (Mayo) - Posts: 1389 - 13/08/2019 17:34:41    2225203

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Replying To riverboys:  "People were brainwashed into believing Clarke was injured, there was feck all wrong with him in the warm up before the game, the breaffy mob wanted their man in goals instead and again made a mess of things, it is the managers job to manage and the players job to play. If I were Clarke I'd retire and let them sort out their mess, as for our forwards 3 inexperienced players 1 of those just back from a long injury, another player just back from long injury and as for the remaining 2 1 of them his knees are banjaxed the other is past his best, we were set up to hold out as ling as we could until Andy Moran and McLoughlin came on to close out the game, a stupid decision especially when you had the likes of Regan, Loftus etc on the bench, McLoughlin should have started when we knew Doherty was out, time to get more younger players a chance.
Again I'll ask where are our 2013 minor team and our 2016 U21 team, they would be in their mid 20s by now and should be in the panel and starting games, without youth we have nothing"
Clarke has been treated scandalously IMO, messed about by a succession of management teams. He is the GOAT in terms of Mayo goalies.

Word on the 2013 side is that they were overtrained and few have played senior as a result. In terms of 2016, D O'Connor, Harrison, Conor Loftus, Ruane have come through, a few more on the development panel such as Akram.

The youth question as far as I know is being addressed by plans for the Mayo Academy, will probably take several years to come to fruition though.

Gleebo (Mayo) - Posts: 1796 - 13/08/2019 17:58:03    2225220

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I agree with some previous posters the goalie situ needs to be sorted, we see how important gaining possession is from your own kick outs it gives you such a foothold in the game. Patton for Donegal has been class cluxton and comeford both class and Morgan for Tyrone. There has to be a new young keeper in mayo to develop. No doubt there will be a few retirements but I hope not to many, for me Colm Boyle is top class yes he may not have the legs he once had but so experienced and plays the sweeper role as good as anyone. Keegan, Durcan, A O Shea and COC still have a few years in them and you need the blend of youth and experience so there is fresh blood needed. It amazes me that there is no top class young forwards breaking through but hopefully there will be next year. The Dubs still have a place for cluxton, brogan, MD Mcauley and they are getting on in years too but you need the mix.
Mayo must win connaught next year because the road taken this year is too much for any team, 7 games in 8 weeks is disgraceful and would have had some impact last weekend. They have been very close to beating this Dublin team a few times and I do think they can Win an all ireland but the dubs need to be beaten first and I think Kerry might just do it this year.
On the bright side Mayo give so much to the GAA and the neutral supporter and we need a team like them otherwise it would be dead on its feet, also you could be from leitrim like me, the spice girls have played more in croke park this year than we have the last 10 years sad but true. Mayo 4 Sam 2020

harleys (Leitrim) - Posts: 292 - 14/08/2019 00:17:22    2225359

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Replying To Brinsley Swartz:  "They have been brave and skillfull. Veterans should now retire quietly over the winter without having to be told. Heads held high with pride and dignity.
Top class goalkeeping coach needed in Mayo. Minor and senior keepers less than assured. Going forward no more players outing managements please. In the words of Kenneth Wolstenholme "the think it's all over it is now"."
what does the quote even mean? I have more degrees than a thermometer and I don't get it?

maroondiesel (Mayo) - Posts: 1022 - 14/08/2019 13:54:08    2225581

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Replying To riverboys:  "People were brainwashed into believing Clarke was injured, there was feck all wrong with him in the warm up before the game, the breaffy mob wanted their man in goals instead and again made a mess of things, it is the managers job to manage and the players job to play. If I were Clarke I'd retire and let them sort out their mess, as for our forwards 3 inexperienced players 1 of those just back from a long injury, another player just back from long injury and as for the remaining 2 1 of them his knees are banjaxed the other is past his best, we were set up to hold out as ling as we could until Andy Moran and McLoughlin came on to close out the game, a stupid decision especially when you had the likes of Regan, Loftus etc on the bench, McLoughlin should have started when we knew Doherty was out, time to get more younger players a chance.
Again I'll ask where are our 2013 minor team and our 2016 U21 team, they would be in their mid 20s by now and should be in the panel and starting games, without youth we have nothing"
riverboys
Again I'll ask where are our 2013 minor team and our 2016 U21 team, they would be in their mid 20s by now and should be in the panel and starting games, without youth we have nothing.

I'd imagine a good few aren't good enough, more of them don't want to be involved and a fair few like the ould beer and the women, plus the craic, a few emigrated as well. Of the remainder? They've been involved at various stages.
Love your huge insight into the goings on in the Mayo team squad. We lost against Dublin by 10 points, most of the teams in Ireland would suffer the same result, it's where we are with what we have. But good to know you're on top of things. You're some man for wan man.

davittsman (Mayo) - Posts: 326 - 14/08/2019 14:19:43    2225600

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Aye but we never had a panel that ever played from the same hymn sheet, from the divisional battles to the north mayo issue in 96 and more issues in the late 90s and early 2000s and the players idea to ignore Mickey Moran and warm up in front of the hill in 2006 then the military coup in 2015 by the midlanders and their plan in 2016 to change goalie for the replay. This year management picked a poor forward line, they weren't planning to win with this, it was to contain and grind it down until sub's come on to hopefully if still in with a shout to win but you won't hear this from the players, they won't be calling for heads to roll. They got the manager they wanted when the coup happened in 2015 and the goalie they wanted in 2016 and both fd up

riverboys (Mayo) - Posts: 1389 - 14/08/2019 16:31:22    2225691

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Replying To Gleebo:  "Clarke has been treated scandalously IMO, messed about by a succession of management teams. He is the GOAT in terms of Mayo goalies.

Word on the 2013 side is that they were overtrained and few have played senior as a result. In terms of 2016, D O'Connor, Harrison, Conor Loftus, Ruane have come through, a few more on the development panel such as Akram.

The youth question as far as I know is being addressed by plans for the Mayo Academy, will probably take several years to come to fruition though."
The Harrison on 2016 panel was Kieran, the younger brother of Brendan.

ponga (Mayo) - Posts: 494 - 14/08/2019 19:27:52    2225775

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Replying To maroondiesel:  "what does the quote even mean? I have more degrees than a thermometer and I don't get it?"
maroondiesel ....Kenneth Wolsteholme commentating on last seconds of World Cup Final 1966. Geoff Hurst runs through to score Englands 4th and decisive goal........."there are people on the pitch,they think it's all over,it is now"

Brinsley Swartz (Mayo) - Posts: 2225 - 17/08/2019 21:17:48    2226844

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Replying To maroondiesel:  "what does the quote even mean? I have more degrees than a thermometer and I don't get it?"
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Fair play Maroon, you must be young to have those degrees and not heard of this commentary. It was before my time too but only by a couple of years!

GreenandRed (Mayo) - Posts: 5711 - 19/08/2019 18:55:47    2227649

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Replying To Brinsley Swartz:  "maroondiesel ....Kenneth Wolsteholme commentating on last seconds of World Cup Final 1966. Geoff Hurst runs through to score Englands 4th and decisive goal........."there are people on the pitch,they think it's all over,it is now""
Thank you lads, I had no idea I'm just a G ah ah man from the bogs of Galway, looking forward to more battles in the new year, that's what keeps us going.

maroondiesel (Mayo) - Posts: 1022 - 20/08/2019 13:15:04    2227869

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Barry Cassidy destroys another game and as a derry man that has seen him up close in our local championship he is clearly out of his depth at inter county level

Oakleaf2 (Derry) - Posts: 1 - 01/02/2020 20:34:31    2264273

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Time for us to stop this bad habit we have of always blaming the ref. Very easy to see we were dreadful with our shooting and it's also getting very easy to read our game at this stage. I got the impression out there tonight that Dublin were having a training session and it's difficult to see where we're going to get points in the league games v Tyrone, Kerry, Monahan, Galway, Meath to keep our place at the top table.

davittsman (Mayo) - Posts: 326 - 01/02/2020 21:01:06    2264294

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Thought the ref was probably correct with the red. It was a closed first neck high that landed on the jaw. Doesn't always get a red but probably should.

Mayonman (Galway) - Posts: 1221 - 01/02/2020 21:52:18    2264327

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I thought we did very well today. Played a lot of the game with 14 men and our structure and system was hard to break down.There was 2 moments near the end of the first half that swung the game in their favour and it was when boyler (had a great game) was injured he should have been taken off straight away and replaced.The 2nd was when Aidan o Sea got the ball in the full forward line and got disposed and they went down the field and equalised to draw level. If Aidan had have laid it off to boland it was over. They got a point for that. Aidan had a fine game. Free taking--James Durcan should have popped 2 frees over along with Diarmuid. Diarmuid is turning into a top free taker.
PROS- Oisin Mullan, Michael Plunkett,James Carr, Padraig O Hora Stephen coen, Aidan o Sea Diarmuid o Connor were excellent. Jordan Flynn was doing very well up until he was sent off. Ryan o donoghue was working very hard. Tommy conroy was making great runs over and back and lads not finding him with passes.Lee keegan got his first run out of the year which will bring him on the next day. I would love to see Eamonn Phillips from Ballyhaunis on the panel. Exceptional player.

Still missing - Ruane, Doherty, o Connor, o Donoghue, Barrett, Seamie o Sea, Mc Donagh, Treacy.

The referee was the worst I have seen since Martin Sludden.

BigJmchalepark (Mayo) - Posts: 20 - 01/02/2020 23:57:52    2264365

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Replying To BigJmchalepark:  "I thought we did very well today. Played a lot of the game with 14 men and our structure and system was hard to break down.There was 2 moments near the end of the first half that swung the game in their favour and it was when boyler (had a great game) was injured he should have been taken off straight away and replaced.The 2nd was when Aidan o Sea got the ball in the full forward line and got disposed and they went down the field and equalised to draw level. If Aidan had have laid it off to boland it was over. They got a point for that. Aidan had a fine game. Free taking--James Durcan should have popped 2 frees over along with Diarmuid. Diarmuid is turning into a top free taker.
PROS- Oisin Mullan, Michael Plunkett,James Carr, Padraig O Hora Stephen coen, Aidan o Sea Diarmuid o Connor were excellent. Jordan Flynn was doing very well up until he was sent off. Ryan o donoghue was working very hard. Tommy conroy was making great runs over and back and lads not finding him with passes.Lee keegan got his first run out of the year which will bring him on the next day. I would love to see Eamonn Phillips from Ballyhaunis on the panel. Exceptional player.

Still missing - Ruane, Doherty, o Connor, o Donoghue, Barrett, Seamie o Sea, Mc Donagh, Treacy.

The referee was the worst I have seen since Martin Sludden."
Jeez, I wasn't at that game at all.

davittsman (Mayo) - Posts: 326 - 02/02/2020 10:38:11    2264402

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Replying To davittsman:  "Jeez, I wasn't at that game at all."
I agree with BigJmchalepark that the lads didn't make it easy for the Dubs to build scores. Their goal was lucky and that more than the red card killed off Mayo's chances of getting a result. Some of the younger lads have to learn how to channel their aggression... for all that Boyler and Keegan are tough markers they don't do the dumb and macho which regardless of what you think of the ref he has to make a judgement on in real time.

There was always going to be pain to be endured trying to develop the players and tactics to evolve Mayo while staying within reach of the top table. We've sailed fairly close to the drop a number of times in the last 5 or 6 years, and while it was enjoyable to get the silverware last year, we're looking at another scrap to stay up over the next couple of months. I've seen enough in terms of attitude to suggest that it can be done, but with everyone bar Meath and ourselves having managed a win we'll need to take the points next weekend to give ourselves a fighting chance. Meath will of course be thinking the same, so will die with their boots on too.

Pericles (Mayo) - Posts: 2101 - 03/02/2020 14:52:10    2264875

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Replying To Pericles:  "I agree with BigJmchalepark that the lads didn't make it easy for the Dubs to build scores. Their goal was lucky and that more than the red card killed off Mayo's chances of getting a result. Some of the younger lads have to learn how to channel their aggression... for all that Boyler and Keegan are tough markers they don't do the dumb and macho which regardless of what you think of the ref he has to make a judgement on in real time.

There was always going to be pain to be endured trying to develop the players and tactics to evolve Mayo while staying within reach of the top table. We've sailed fairly close to the drop a number of times in the last 5 or 6 years, and while it was enjoyable to get the silverware last year, we're looking at another scrap to stay up over the next couple of months. I've seen enough in terms of attitude to suggest that it can be done, but with everyone bar Meath and ourselves having managed a win we'll need to take the points next weekend to give ourselves a fighting chance. Meath will of course be thinking the same, so will die with their boots on too."
There goal wasn't lucky. It was poor defending from O Shea. Granted he was out on his feet at that stage, no way should a man get up that side of him.

We have enough to beat Meath if we put it altogether. Which isn't a guarantee and Meath up in Navan will be right up for this.

I'd imagine we'll be without Mullins who'll be playing for the u20s the afternoon before and Boyle out with injury. I'm assuming Carr was injured because I thought he was showing well myself. I'd still stick with the young guns but blend in experience too. I'd go with something like this;

Hennelly:
EOD, Harrison, O Hora;
Keegan, Plunkett, Durcan;
Coen, AOS;
Boland, ROD, DOC;
Mcloughlin, Carr/D Coen, Conroy;

Think Conroy has shown enough in his two cameos to suggest he deserves a start. Got fuck all ball in both games but still ended up with a point from play. Start Keegan but expect him to be taken off after 50 mins or so for maybe McCormack. If Carr is fit I'd start him, up if not Darren Coen was on the bench the last day. Reape might get the nod. Think that team is plenty good enough for Meath if they perform to their capabilities.

MarkRule (Mayo) - Posts: 41 - 03/02/2020 17:59:36    2264921

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James Horan has to make sure that Mayo are not complacent next Sunday, Meath are really up for this game. Our forwards are not scoring enough from play which has to be a big concern. Joe Brolly on the Mayo goalkeeping situation, "They dismantled Hennelly's kick-outs and by the 50th minute the score was 1-8 to 0-5 and it was only a matter of how much.

In the 53rd minute, Hennelly rose to catch a straightforward high ball on his line, then had one of his malfunctions, dropping it on the line and almost scoring an own goal.

He has the physical gifts but not the mental strength required to keep goal at this level and it is a mystery how he can be selected ahead of David Clarke." Clarke was criticised for his kick outs in Killarney last year (Donie Buckley knew Mayo's kick out strategy and The Gooch said he was behind the Mayo goal and that David had very little options). David has to be selected for Navan.

Maritime (Mayo) - Posts: 10 - 04/02/2020 10:20:51    2265018

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Replying To Maritime:  "James Horan has to make sure that Mayo are not complacent next Sunday, Meath are really up for this game. Our forwards are not scoring enough from play which has to be a big concern. Joe Brolly on the Mayo goalkeeping situation, "They dismantled Hennelly's kick-outs and by the 50th minute the score was 1-8 to 0-5 and it was only a matter of how much.

In the 53rd minute, Hennelly rose to catch a straightforward high ball on his line, then had one of his malfunctions, dropping it on the line and almost scoring an own goal.

He has the physical gifts but not the mental strength required to keep goal at this level and it is a mystery how he can be selected ahead of David Clarke." Clarke was criticised for his kick outs in Killarney last year (Donie Buckley knew Mayo's kick out strategy and The Gooch said he was behind the Mayo goal and that David had very little options). David has to be selected for Navan."
Entirely agreed, to paraphrase Johnny Giles, he is "game but limited".

Clarke's kickouts are an issue at times but equally so the lack of movement out the field. He more than makes up for this with his shot-stopping ability IMO.

Hennelly's problem is that his malfunctions have had game-losing outcomes over several years now, best to blood a replacement rather than repeating the same mistake, hoping that things will correct themselves.

Gleebo (Mayo) - Posts: 1796 - 07/02/2020 16:23:21    2265981

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