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Kilkenny and Tipp Give Us A Traditional All Ireland Hurling Final

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Totally disgraceful decision by a WEXFORD REFEREE.
Prior to the sending off of Hogan,Owen's gave the softest free ever seen in An All Ireland Hurling Final to Brendan Meagher. Hogan sending off completely turned the whole game in to an exhibition. 2009 Kirwans daft penalty turned the game to the Cats

Brinsley Swartz (Mayo) - Posts: 2225 - 18/08/2019 21:15:48    2227244

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Replying To arock:  "I agree with you on all points, ruined game"
Only one trick pony is you. None of us want to pick on an emotionally & intellectually stunted adolescent young woman. I can only assume that you enjoy receiving a reply from someone who vowed, both personally as well as warned others against it. Well, my bad. Couldn't help it.

Gowran_Yank (Kilkenny) - Posts: 75 - 18/08/2019 21:23:04    2227246

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Replying To neverright:  "Congrats to Tipp. I don't understand how anybody could argue against the red card for Hogan. Tipp were good but Kilkenny were awful in the second half - completely clueless. I hope the football final is a bit more competitive."
If you don't know how people are arguing the red card then you only know the rules and you don't understand the game,

otherlad (Meath) - Posts: 132 - 18/08/2019 21:27:17    2227252

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Never saw a game to be defined so clearly by a red card! Barrett should have gone earlier for his assault on Hogan. That said, Richie has to take full responsibility for his actions. I dont think the ref was left with any other decision than to send him off.
Very poor game. Tipp grew in confidence once Kilkenny went to 14. There was only going to be one outcome.

Ban (Westmeath) - Posts: 1014 - 18/08/2019 21:27:46    2227253

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Replying To Breezy:  "One was going for the ball the other for revenge"
Still reckless/dangerous play, going for ball or not.

ballydalane (Kilkenny) - Posts: 1082 - 18/08/2019 21:31:26    2227258

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First if like to say congratulations to Tipp. We're the better team all year to be fair and only had one blip in the Munster final. Yes the sending off had a massive bearing on the game. Who knows what would have happened without it but it happened and Tipp won that's all that matters. Thought Barry heffernan was superb after a shaky start and he'd be my man of the match. Ronan Maher and Seamus Kennedy were also fantastic. As for us I thought john Donnelly was our best player by far and is a real talent for the future. In terms of the sending off it probably was one in my opinion. Hogan can count himself unlucky in the sense that I don't think he did him intentially. Think he meant to kill him with a shoulder (a fair one) but Barret sidestepped him and he lifted the arm and caught him. Wasn't any malice in it but probably a sending off by the letter of the law. But look it they go your way some days and go against you on others. A decent year from Kilkenny considering our expectations. I know the scoreline was heavy in the end but I honestly couldn't care less whether we lose by 1 point or 20 the result is the same. And again congrats to tipp on a fantastic win

LovelyHurling94 (Kilkenny) - Posts: 6 - 18/08/2019 21:31:40    2227259

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It's a shame that the sending off is all there is to talk about after what's supposed to be the showpiece of hurling. Plenty of teams have managed to make a game of it with one man down. Tipp had equalized and were taking control by the time the sending off occurred, and they blew them out of the water in the third quarter when KK legs should still have been fresh and good to go; not to mention that they had the half time break to re-organize. Of course saying Tipp would have won regardless is supposition; but given the scoreline by the end of the third quarter, I think the circumstantial evidence is pretty strong to support it.

Disappointing end to what has been, with a few exceptions, a fairly forgettable championship.

festinog (Galway) - Posts: 2745 - 18/08/2019 21:38:53    2227267

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Congrats to Tipp, best team on the day. Its disappointing that the major talking point is the influence of the referee, and he did have a major say in deciding the final. For me it was a yellow card but barrett made a meal of it and richie hogan put the referee in a position to make a difficult call. I can see how the Kilkenny fans have gripes about inconsistency with a few other calls in the game.

lowandhard (Galway) - Posts: 29 - 18/08/2019 22:00:24    2227276

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Replying To Gowran_Yank:  "Only one trick pony is you. None of us want to pick on an emotionally & intellectually stunted adolescent young woman. I can only assume that you enjoy receiving a reply from someone who vowed, both personally as well as warned others against it. Well, my bad. Couldn't help it."
No idea what the hell you blabbering about seriously is that your considered response to my one liner! I think you have wrong man here

arock (Dublin) - Posts: 4178 - 18/08/2019 22:04:52    2227282

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Replying To otherlad:  "If you don't know how people are arguing the red card then you only know the rules and you don't understand the game,"
I understand dangerous play, however you like to dress it up

neverright (Roscommon) - Posts: 1599 - 18/08/2019 22:13:37    2227290

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Replying To ballydalane:  "Saw a replay of both incidents. Hogan can't complain about his red but Barrett should technically have gone before it, he swung across Hogan's face from behind and caught him right across the nose. Where's the consistency? Did Barrett even get booked, I'm not sure?

I think Hogan was trying to extract his own revenge which for such an intelligent hurler was stupid, he got played by Barrett."
Could not agree more

bottletopbill (Wexford) - Posts: 29 - 18/08/2019 22:15:44    2227293

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Replying To festinog:  "It's a shame that the sending off is all there is to talk about after what's supposed to be the showpiece of hurling. Plenty of teams have managed to make a game of it with one man down. Tipp had equalized and were taking control by the time the sending off occurred, and they blew them out of the water in the third quarter when KK legs should still have been fresh and good to go; not to mention that they had the half time break to re-organize. Of course saying Tipp would have won regardless is supposition; but given the scoreline by the end of the third quarter, I think the circumstantial evidence is pretty strong to support it.

Disappointing end to what has been, with a few exceptions, a fairly forgettable championship."
You can't compete with that Tipp team with one man less, impossible with the way they spray the ball around. That said we were clueless in the second half.

Forgettable championship? Bit harsh - two classic semi finals, brilliant Leinster championship, Laois beating Dublin. First half today was shaping up to be a good contest but I knew the red card would kill us.

ballydalane (Kilkenny) - Posts: 1082 - 18/08/2019 22:21:45    2227298

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Replying To ballydalane:  "If striking to the head is a red card how come there was none for the blow to Richie Hogan's face which bloodied his nose? Where's the consistency? It would have had to be reckless and/or dangerous to inflict such an injury."
perfect10 wont reply,you see he only sees KK fouls,Cathal Barret should not have been on the field,I dont agree with the booing but I dont blame the supporters today,was there not a head high challenge on Eoin Murphy,I am still saying Tipp were the better team and deserve to be champions

mooncat (Kilkenny) - Posts: 468 - 18/08/2019 22:24:16    2227300

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I don't how anyone can analyse that game it was over the moment Hogan walked. Fair play to Tipp they won AI fair and square made clinical use of extra man. But looking at the 3 muppets on Sunday game discussing the game beyond that point is pretty pointless. Yeah KK no one else to blame but that game was no spectacle. Yet again the game continues while Hawkeye assesses whether goalkeeper caught it behind cross bar. If the Hogan incident happened while Hawkeye was making its decision it would be null and void as would a score, mad stuff. If Hawkeye is reviewing a decision game has to stop. But only a matter of time before a major controversy explodes with AI football final to go what's the odds?

arock (Dublin) - Posts: 4178 - 18/08/2019 22:24:19    2227301

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Replying To ballydalane:  "Still reckless/dangerous play, going for ball or not."
I thought when I saw that hit across Ritchie Hogan's face that it was at least a yellow if not a red card. Ritchie had to leave the field, he had got a nasty hit. I'm surprised it wasn't shown on the Sunday Game - the two incidents were related. When I saw Hogan's 'retaliation' I wasn't surprised to see a red card shown - it was a pity because it turned it into a one-sided game and a predictable outcome.

baire (Galway) - Posts: 764 - 18/08/2019 22:24:58    2227302

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Replying To Ban:  "Never saw a game to be defined so clearly by a red card! Barrett should have gone earlier for his assault on Hogan. That said, Richie has to take full responsibility for his actions. I dont think the ref was left with any other decision than to send him off.
Very poor game. Tipp grew in confidence once Kilkenny went to 14. There was only going to be one outcome."
Tipp knew they were going to win when they went a man up, I thought they were quite nervy and made a good few errors in possession in the first half. When they went a man up you could almost see the weight being lifted off their shoulders, they had the freedom to fully express their talents.

ballydalane (Kilkenny) - Posts: 1082 - 18/08/2019 22:29:10    2227304

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Replying To ballydalane:  "Still reckless/dangerous play, going for ball or not."
Ah sure officials are only human, Things happen so fast, they're not going to catch every little incident. And that's just the way it goes I suppose.

Bon (Kildare) - Posts: 752 - 18/08/2019 22:35:15    2227307

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Replying To ballydalane:  "Still reckless/dangerous play, going for ball or not."
Hitting someone by accident and trying to hurt someone are very different things to me

Breezy (Limerick) - Posts: 294 - 18/08/2019 22:35:21    2227308

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Replying To festinog:  "It's a shame that the sending off is all there is to talk about after what's supposed to be the showpiece of hurling. Plenty of teams have managed to make a game of it with one man down. Tipp had equalized and were taking control by the time the sending off occurred, and they blew them out of the water in the third quarter when KK legs should still have been fresh and good to go; not to mention that they had the half time break to re-organize. Of course saying Tipp would have won regardless is supposition; but given the scoreline by the end of the third quarter, I think the circumstantial evidence is pretty strong to support it.

Disappointing end to what has been, with a few exceptions, a fairly forgettable championship."
Leinster championship was great this year but the rest was mediocre so 1/3 of a good year really but nowhere near last year for the neutral fa

Breezy (Limerick) - Posts: 294 - 18/08/2019 22:39:42    2227312

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Replying To Ban:  "Never saw a game to be defined so clearly by a red card! Barrett should have gone earlier for his assault on Hogan. That said, Richie has to take full responsibility for his actions. I dont think the ref was left with any other decision than to send him off.
Very poor game. Tipp grew in confidence once Kilkenny went to 14. There was only going to be one outcome."
It didn't define the game. Tipp had scored 1-1 in the previous minutes leading to the sending off. The game was arguably already turning. Kilkenny were not sharp poking and prodding the ball struggling to get it into the stick. Tipp were far more tuned in. Looking at the replay from the cusack side Hogan clearly lifts his elbow going past and strikes Barrett in the head. Barrett has stopped Hogan is running full force at him, you can see Barrett's head spin from the contact. He could have whiplash after it.

The_Fonz (Westmeath) - Posts: 36 - 18/08/2019 23:24:04    2227318

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