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Kilkenny and Tipp Give Us A Traditional All Ireland Hurling Final

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Replying To ballydalane:  "I think there is absolutely no way Liam Sheedy sends his teams out with a deliberate tactic to get players sent off. He just doesn't come across as that type of manager, I just can't picture a scenario where he's instructing players to try get lads sent off. Other managers, it wouldn't be that big a leap to imagine it, but not him. That's not to say Tipp players (and players on most if not all teams) don't partake in playacting of their own accord, but I seriously doubt it's coming from the top."
A deliberate tactic is too strong but they are told to make the most of any illegal stroke or clash. No way would Paudi Maher do what he did against Laois and Barrett make such a meal of the contact last Sunday. He went down in a very unnatural way.

Liam Sheedy wants to win as much as the next man. I'm sure he's a fine man but exaggerating contact brings results. Why wouldn't simulation creep into hurling?Tipp were sluggish against Laois and it made for an easy 2nd half once Laois lost the man.

Tommy Walsh (2009) and RIchie Hogan (2019 v Cork) wanted to get up as quickly as possible after the hits they took, as if it was a sign of their toughness. Totally different mindset to Paidi Maher (especially) and Barrett. Now where does this come from? Seems to be management driven as under O'Shea and Ryan this culture wasn't there.

BliainanÁir (Laois) - Posts: 598 - 25/08/2019 01:51:26    2229091

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Replying To BliainanÁir:  "A deliberate tactic is too strong but they are told to make the most of any illegal stroke or clash. No way would Paudi Maher do what he did against Laois and Barrett make such a meal of the contact last Sunday. He went down in a very unnatural way.

Liam Sheedy wants to win as much as the next man. I'm sure he's a fine man but exaggerating contact brings results. Why wouldn't simulation creep into hurling?Tipp were sluggish against Laois and it made for an easy 2nd half once Laois lost the man.

Tommy Walsh (2009) and RIchie Hogan (2019 v Cork) wanted to get up as quickly as possible after the hits they took, as if it was a sign of their toughness. Totally different mindset to Paidi Maher (especially) and Barrett. Now where does this come from? Seems to be management driven as under O'Shea and Ryan this culture wasn't there."
Ah stop will you. You are making a show of yourself. Even the KK lads are starting to leave this go. If you were sitting near the front row where Paudie got the belt on the shin you might have a different view or if you seen his leg the following Saturday you wouldn't be saying he went down to easy.

therealtmo (Tipperary) - Posts: 1270 - 25/08/2019 10:25:15    2229110

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Replying To BliainanÁir:  "A deliberate tactic is too strong but they are told to make the most of any illegal stroke or clash. No way would Paudi Maher do what he did against Laois and Barrett make such a meal of the contact last Sunday. He went down in a very unnatural way.

Liam Sheedy wants to win as much as the next man. I'm sure he's a fine man but exaggerating contact brings results. Why wouldn't simulation creep into hurling?Tipp were sluggish against Laois and it made for an easy 2nd half once Laois lost the man.

Tommy Walsh (2009) and RIchie Hogan (2019 v Cork) wanted to get up as quickly as possible after the hits they took, as if it was a sign of their toughness. Totally different mindset to Paidi Maher (especially) and Barrett. Now where does this come from? Seems to be management driven as under O'Shea and Ryan this culture wasn't there."
Heavy aul day was it ? Sore today I'd say.
Hope you stayed away from the hard stuff.

catch22 (USA) - Posts: 1016 - 25/08/2019 12:00:25    2229132

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Replying To baire:  "Just curious about language and the rules. Is there a distinction made between reckless play and dangerous play?
Seems to me reckless play is not always punished with a red card or even a yellow card."
Referee Handbook
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For more information including video examples, please go to learning.gaa.ie/Referee/AggressiveFouls
Situation Free Note
Push an opponent √ x x x
Hold an opponent's hurley or pull it from his hands √ x x x
Charge the Goalkeeper in the small rectangle √ x x x
A player in possession of the ball to charge an opponent √ x x x
Use the hurley to obstruct an opponent √ x x x
Strike an opponent's hurley unless both players are in the act of playing the ball √ x x x
Hold an opponent with the hand(s) √ √ x x
Charge an opponent to the back or front √ √ x x
Charge an opponent unless: (i) he is in possession, or (ii) he is playing the ball, or
(iii) both players are not moving in the direction of the ball to play it. √ √ x x
Charge an opponent for the purpose of giving an advantage to a team-mate √ √ x x
Pull down an opponent √ x √ x
Trip an opponent with hand(s), arm, leg foot or hurley √ x √ x
Threaten or use abusive or provocative language or gestures to an opponent or team-
mate
√ x √ x
Make a "pull" with the hurley from behind and around the body of an opponent that is
not consistent with an attempt to play the ball √ x √ x
Use the hurley in a careless manner √ x √ x
Throw the hurley in a manner which constitutes a danger to another player(s) √ x √ x
Engage in any other form of rough play √ x √ x
Attempt to achieve an advantage by feigning a foul or injury √ x √ x
Strike or attempt to strike with arm, elbow, hand, knee or hurley √ x x √
Kick or attempt to kick √ x x √
Behave in any way which is dangerous to an opponent, including pulling on or taking
hold of an opponent's helmet or faceguard √ x x √
Spit at an opponent √ x x √
Contribute to a melee √ x x √
Use abusive or threatening language, threatening behaviour or physical interference
with a Match Official √ x x √
Strike or attempt to strike with the head √ x x √
Stamp on a player √ x x √
Inflict an injury recklessly √ x x √
Assault an opposing Team Official √ x x √
Act by deed, word or gesture of a racist, sectarian or anti-inclusion/diversity nature √ x x √
Hurling
The tick on the end indicates a, red card offence.

over35hurler (Cork) - Posts: 27 - 25/08/2019 12:02:52    2229133

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Replying To therealtmo:  "Ah stop will you. You are making a show of yourself. Even the KK lads are starting to leave this go. If you were sitting near the front row where Paudie got the belt on the shin you might have a different view or if you seen his leg the following Saturday you wouldn't be saying he went down to easy."
People from a few counties i've spoken to have said the same. They mightn't argue it on a forum like this.

Would you give over with your examination of Paudie's shin! A lot of players legs after a game of hurling have lumps and bruising on their shins. Also on their hands, wrists, fingers. He's a fairly soft one for all the gym work if he'd go down for a little flick like that.

BliainanÁir (Laois) - Posts: 598 - 25/08/2019 12:08:23    2229136

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Replying To Killarney.87:  "I don't think PaudiSull supports Tipp based on previous posts."
Certainly wasn't last night in Limerick, Killarney 87 ( even reading your pseudo name brings back painful memories).....good win btw last night but Cork very naive .....

PaudieSull1 (Down) - Posts: 702 - 25/08/2019 12:19:38    2229138

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Replying To BliainanÁir:  "A deliberate tactic is too strong but they are told to make the most of any illegal stroke or clash. No way would Paudi Maher do what he did against Laois and Barrett make such a meal of the contact last Sunday. He went down in a very unnatural way.

Liam Sheedy wants to win as much as the next man. I'm sure he's a fine man but exaggerating contact brings results. Why wouldn't simulation creep into hurling?Tipp were sluggish against Laois and it made for an easy 2nd half once Laois lost the man.

Tommy Walsh (2009) and RIchie Hogan (2019 v Cork) wanted to get up as quickly as possible after the hits they took, as if it was a sign of their toughness. Totally different mindset to Paidi Maher (especially) and Barrett. Now where does this come from? Seems to be management driven as under O'Shea and Ryan this culture wasn't there."
This is ridiculous and embarrassing for you.
Every team makes the most of any stroke/clash
If you watched him go down you wouldnt say it was unnatural.

KillingFields (Limerick) - Posts: 272 - 25/08/2019 12:46:30    2229145

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Replying To catch22:  "Heavy aul day was it ? Sore today I'd say.
Hope you stayed away from the hard stuff."
What are you talking about? If you've something to say, say it. Talking crap in riddles.

BliainanÁir (Laois) - Posts: 598 - 25/08/2019 13:33:10    2229157

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Replying To KillingFields:  "This is ridiculous and embarrassing for you.
Every team makes the most of any stroke/clash
If you watched him go down you wouldnt say it was unnatural."
They don't to the extent Tipperary did this year. Why is it embarassing? Since when has stating your opininion being embarassing? By the way my posts about Tipp going down soft are receiving more thumbs up than down which would indicate a silent majority agrees.

Everyone goes down for every little tip according to the ironically named Killing Fields.

BliainanÁir (Laois) - Posts: 598 - 25/08/2019 13:36:03    2229158

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Replying To BliainanÁir:  "What are you talking about? If you've something to say, say it. Talking crap in riddles."
Maybe you didn't cop it but I reckon it was the aul beer talking with you.
Best to stop with your daft aul notions at that hour of the morning.
Making out like you'd know that lads are lying down handy. Have a lye down yourself outta that like a good boy.

catch22 (USA) - Posts: 1016 - 25/08/2019 14:03:55    2229167

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Replying To BliainanÁir:  "They don't to the extent Tipperary did this year. Why is it embarassing? Since when has stating your opininion being embarassing? By the way my posts about Tipp going down soft are receiving more thumbs up than down which would indicate a silent majority agrees.

Everyone goes down for every little tip according to the ironically named Killing Fields."
Its very offensive to player(s) involved to say they were going down softly or that it was a tactic.
Plenty players for every county every year go down in similar challenges as those that tipp players did. to say it was a tactic is a nonsense.
and if you have to resort to potshots about my name you're losing the discussion!

KillingFields (Limerick) - Posts: 272 - 25/08/2019 14:21:52    2229173

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I find if you ignore people,they shut up and move on lads!

Tipptipp (Tipperary) - Posts: 61 - 25/08/2019 16:27:07    2229185

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Replying To KillingFields:  "Its very offensive to player(s) involved to say they were going down softly or that it was a tactic.
Plenty players for every county every year go down in similar challenges as those that tipp players did. to say it was a tactic is a nonsense.
and if you have to resort to potshots about my name you're losing the discussion!"
Ormo still getting offended by remarks his pretend names I see. When did you switch counties?

fattimmy (Limerick) - Posts: 392 - 25/08/2019 16:41:20    2229188

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Replying To catch22:  "Maybe you didn't cop it but I reckon it was the aul beer talking with you.
Best to stop with your daft aul notions at that hour of the morning.
Making out like you'd know that lads are lying down handy. Have a lye down yourself outta that like a good boy."
I don't drink a mhac!

BliainanÁir (Laois) - Posts: 598 - 25/08/2019 17:28:09    2229199

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Replying To fattimmy:  "Ormo still getting offended by remarks his pretend names I see. When did you switch counties?"
If you have to resort to name calling.
you've already lost any discussion/argument to be had

KillingFields (Limerick) - Posts: 272 - 25/08/2019 17:46:42    2229201

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Replying To BliainanÁir:  "I don't drink a mhac!"
Jays, that's even worse so.
What's all this aul lark about lads going down soft. I thought you must have had a few.

catch22 (USA) - Posts: 1016 - 25/08/2019 18:01:04    2229202

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Replying To PaudieSull1:  "Certainly wasn't last night in Limerick, Killarney 87 ( even reading your pseudo name brings back painful memories).....good win btw last night but Cork very naive ....."
Cheers I was thinking you are a Corkonian based on your own username. I specifically chose Killarney 87 because that game was the start of the renaissance of Tipperary hurling and it reminds of how bad the 70s and 80s were for us.

Delighted to get the win last night. The early goal rush was the difference. Cork will get 4 or 5 top class inter county hurlers off that team and that's the main thing.

Killarney.87 (Tipperary) - Posts: 2507 - 25/08/2019 18:18:20    2229208

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Replying To BliainanÁir:  "They don't to the extent Tipperary did this year. Why is it embarassing? Since when has stating your opininion being embarassing? By the way my posts about Tipp going down soft are receiving more thumbs up than down which would indicate a silent majority agrees.

Everyone goes down for every little tip according to the ironically named Killing Fields."
So basically what you are saying is you are an attention seeker who is looking for likes :)

Killarney.87 (Tipperary) - Posts: 2507 - 25/08/2019 18:20:07    2229209

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A week on and nobody wants to discuss the match, amazing!!

I finally got a chance to watch it back and I can see why Donnelly got so much plaudits from the media. He had a fine game, I think he scored 0-3 points from play and worked his ass off for the team.

I thought Seamus Kennedy had a stormer of a game and better than I thought initially. I can see why so many people thought Ronan Maher was man of the match, he was immense. The wrists of Noel McGrath and Bubbles are insane, you could only dream about doing some of the things they do.

14 men aside, Kilkenny were very poor and one dimensional in the second half. Yes they fought to the bitter end. I think Cody applauding and stressing his players efforts is nearly a subconscious way of telling himself that he let them down tactically. If I was a Kilkenny fan i'd be beyond frustration with how predictable the ball sent in was. It either went straight to Barrett or was mopped up by Tipp backs in close vicinity to Fennelly.

James Owens is without a doubt the best referee at the minute. In real time watching from the stand I thought he gave Kilkenny a load of soft frees but watching back it was very hard to argue against most of them. In an era of average referees we are very lucky to have him.

Killarney.87 (Tipperary) - Posts: 2507 - 25/08/2019 18:32:47    2229212

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Replying To Killarney.87:  "So basically what you are saying is you are an attention seeker who is looking for likes :)"
Strawmen argument.

What I'm saying is the notion that Tipp are going doing soft is well supported. It seems to be coached.

BliainanÁir (Laois) - Posts: 598 - 25/08/2019 21:38:13    2229244

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