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Kilkenny and Tipp Give Us A Traditional All Ireland Hurling Final

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Replying To Oldtourman:  "Please stop it -it was a sideline ball. Please do not be so myopic. I have it on good authority from a stout Kilkenny hurling man that Paul Murphy put the ball out. He was close to the incident and saw it. Your also constantly suggesting than Limerick players are constantly trying to get other players put off. Another absurdity. When was any opposition player put off against Limerick. I suppose you will tell us next that no KK player ever bought a free."
I have friends who state with certainty that it struck the Limerick player's back before going out, so there we have it it wasn't a sideline ball to Limerick. Why don't you just move on from that incident?

By the way, ever heard of David Reidy?

Heftydickonem (Kilkenny) - Posts: 143 - 20/08/2019 13:09:25    2227866

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Replying To Killarney.87:  "As another poster said if the red card was so harsh then why isn't Hogan or Kilkenny looking to get it rescinded.

We had a big penalty claim turned down. Kilkenny got 10 points from soft free. We scored 3-17 to their 0-10 from play and beat them by 14 points. The sour grapes is getting a bit cringeworthy at this stage. It's not like we won by a point or two.

This bunch of Tipp players must be the most maligned and criticised set of players to win 2 or 3 all Irelands in the history of the GAA."
This is a recurring theme of yours, that this Tipp team is the "most maligned and criticised set of players" ever. They've been praised to the hilt any time they've won the All-Ireland and on several occasions when they didn't. And any criticism they did get, plenty of it would have been from their own countymen and women. What examples are you referring to specifically?

ballydalane (Kilkenny) - Posts: 1082 - 20/08/2019 13:23:57    2227875

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Replying To ballydalane:  "This is a recurring theme of yours, that this Tipp team is the "most maligned and criticised set of players" ever. They've been praised to the hilt any time they've won the All-Ireland and on several occasions when they didn't. And any criticism they did get, plenty of it would have been from their own countymen and women. What examples are you referring to specifically?"
I'm not referring to you. The media have been very hard on Tipp. They have built them up for falls, especially in 2010 same way they did with Clare in 2013 and Limerick last year.

We lost to Kilkenny by 4 points in 2011 and Corbett was the hot rod for a load of criticism. He actually played quite well that day, not his fault that Kilkenny suffocated the supply line into him.

2012 O'Mahony and Curran weren't right going into the game. O'Brien buried his brother earlier that week. Yes Corbett made a fool of himself but the whole team took a lot of stick over that beating. That game would annoy me a lot because our boys would have gotten trounced under normal circumstances.

2013 and 2014 they fell on the wrong side of close battles with Kilkenny. They were brilliant in 2015 just came up against a great Galway team, same again in 2017. They weren't that far off the pace last year.

I don't see and I haven't seen much love coming their way over the last 10 years. Most Tipp fans have stuck behind and believed in these players through thick and thin. Obviously you'll have a few who will be unreasonable when their team loses.

Killarney.87 (Tipperary) - Posts: 2507 - 20/08/2019 14:00:43    2227892

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Replying To ballydalane:  "I'm on record numerous times on this thread as saying the red card was the correct decision and the fault lays squarely with Richie Hogan."
Yes in fairness you did but there is way too much whinging from many, including my family Kilkenny people and your analysts. However the worst of all to my surprise is Cody's attitude to the referee. He is still on about the time the ref took to make his decision and doing his job by checking with the other official who might have seen it better. He is also doing his job by checking the wellness of the injured player. Cody saying we are not whinging. That is exactly what he is doing. If he did not check with his lines man Cody would say "Why did he not consult him ". Yes he said Tipp were the better team. I was always told that when you use "but" in a sentence it nullifies any thing that was said before Kilkenny. That is what I am hearing from Kilkenny people all over the place. Personally I have great time for Kilkenny people but this b.s. is showing another side of them. Maybe when winning so consistently is the reason.

Canuck (Waterford) - Posts: 633 - 20/08/2019 14:36:38    2227902

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I'm behind you 100% on using "but" in a sentence, its the same as ruining an apology with an excuse.

Bon (Kildare) - Posts: 752 - 20/08/2019 14:50:59    2227906

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Replying To Heftydickonem:  "I have friends who state with certainty that it struck the Limerick player's back before going out, so there we have it it wasn't a sideline ball to Limerick. Why don't you just move on from that incident?

By the way, ever heard of David Reidy?"
Yea I heard of two them actually. Just for your information. (1) It is you who brought up the 'sideline ball again. (2) I have watched Tom Condon playing for the past fifteen years and I never saw him attempt to get anybody off. Is it not just possible That Reidy genuinely winded him. Anyway it was a silly umpiring assist that got David Reidy wrongly put off and not Tom Condon. Are you calling the Kilkenny man I discussed this sideline ball issue with a liar just because he does not agree with you. Anyway how nobody else , as in pressmen analyst or other witnesses have questioned the giving of the side line ball. Anyway even if the linesman did get it wrong it would not justify the haphazard way Allen Kelly and his other officials failed to see either Buckley's charging down of the ball at far too close quarters ( see Jerome O'Connell's twitter account) or the fact that it was a blatant 65. These were far easier calls that the initial sideline ball call and that is the difference.

Oldtourman (Limerick) - Posts: 2280 - 20/08/2019 15:08:55    2227910

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It's sad to see the failure of that great manager Cody, outstanding Kilkenny players of the recent past and a number of Kilkenny posters, to be gracious in defeat. They have always handled victory well but defeat has shown a different side of them with cringe-worthy claims and comments. Very disappointing.

neverright (Roscommon) - Posts: 1599 - 20/08/2019 15:09:22    2227911

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Replying To Oldtourman:  "Yea I heard of two them actually. Just for your information. (1) It is you who brought up the 'sideline ball again. (2) I have watched Tom Condon playing for the past fifteen years and I never saw him attempt to get anybody off. Is it not just possible That Reidy genuinely winded him. Anyway it was a silly umpiring assist that got David Reidy wrongly put off and not Tom Condon. Are you calling the Kilkenny man I discussed this sideline ball issue with a liar just because he does not agree with you. Anyway how nobody else , as in pressmen analyst or other witnesses have questioned the giving of the side line ball. Anyway even if the linesman did get it wrong it would not justify the haphazard way Allen Kelly and his other officials failed to see either Buckley's charging down of the ball at far too close quarters ( see Jerome O'Connell's twitter account) or the fact that it was a blatant 65. These were far easier calls that the initial sideline ball call and that is the difference."
Listen Oldtourman you posted a statement more or less applauding the sentiment that Kilkenny people should just move on, while dismissing any right to discuss the inconsistency of the application of the rules and I highlighted the irony/hypocrisy of it since many Limerick people, including yourself have failed to move on from 2007 and are still crying over the line ball deflection (of course ignoring all the other decisions in the game that were contentious) a month ago. I'm not interested in debating the line ball all over again and I'm not accusing anyone of being a liar.

Heftydickonem (Kilkenny) - Posts: 143 - 20/08/2019 15:35:43    2227920

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Replying To neverright:  "It's sad to see the failure of that great manager Cody, outstanding Kilkenny players of the recent past and a number of Kilkenny posters, to be gracious in defeat. They have always handled victory well but defeat has shown a different side of them with cringe-worthy claims and comments. Very disappointing."
In fairness to Cody, in the past win or lose he always grit his teeth and in his own words he'd say- the best team always wins the All-Ireland.
No such sentiment on Sunday.

Bon (Kildare) - Posts: 752 - 20/08/2019 15:44:42    2227925

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Replying To Heftydickonem:  "I have friends who state with certainty that it struck the Limerick player's back before going out, so there we have it it wasn't a sideline ball to Limerick. Why don't you just move on from that incident?

By the way, ever heard of David Reidy?"
Yea I heard of two them actually. Just for your information. (1) It is you who brought up the 'sideline ball again. (2) I have watched Tom Condon playing for the past fifteen years and I never saw him attempt to get anybody off. Is it not just possible That Reidy genuinely winded him. Anyway it was a silly umpiring assist that got David Reidy wrongly put off and not Tom Condon. Are you calling the Kilkenny man I discussed this sideline ball issue with a liar just because he does not agree with you. Anyway how nobody else , as in pressmen analyst or other witnesses have questioned the giving of the side line ball. Anyway even if the linesman did get it wrong it would not justify the haphazard way Allen Kelly and his other officials failed to see either Buckley's charging down of the ball at far too close quarters ( see Jerome O'Connell's twitter account) or the fact that it was a blatant 65. These were far easier calls that the initial sideline ball call and that is the difference.

Oldtourman (Limerick) - Posts: 2280 - 20/08/2019 16:18:47    2227937

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Replying To Bon:  "In fairness to Cody, in the past win or lose he always grit his teeth and in his own words he'd say- the best team always wins the All-Ireland.
No such sentiment on Sunday."
No he was sour on Sunday and them beaten out the gate.Kilkenny and Cody have won so much.They needed to be gracious in defeat last Sunday.

endgame (Roscommon) - Posts: 1148 - 20/08/2019 17:50:02    2227969

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Replying To Heftydickonem:  "Listen Oldtourman you posted a statement more or less applauding the sentiment that Kilkenny people should just move on, while dismissing any right to discuss the inconsistency of the application of the rules and I highlighted the irony/hypocrisy of it since many Limerick people, including yourself have failed to move on from 2007 and are still crying over the line ball deflection (of course ignoring all the other decisions in the game that were contentious) a month ago. I'm not interested in debating the line ball all over again and I'm not accusing anyone of being a liar."
You fail to accept that in Barret's case he was going for the ball, whereas Richie was never going for the ball, clearly bis only intent was "to take out' the man". As for the ref.. while it was clear to him I like that he consulted with his officials anyway in case he overlooked something in the white heat of battle. This is not playing on the edge as some would have us believe.. This is outright assault by and element that feels they are irreproachable and needs to be brought under control.

PatOLogical (Limerick) - Posts: 1065 - 20/08/2019 17:58:48    2227973

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Replying To ballydalane:  "This is a recurring theme of yours, that this Tipp team is the "most maligned and criticised set of players" ever. They've been praised to the hilt any time they've won the All-Ireland and on several occasions when they didn't. And any criticism they did get, plenty of it would have been from their own countymen and women. What examples are you referring to specifically?"
Its a misconception that Tipp players get criticised by their own people. Babs is the only one I know of and hes...well just babs!
Tyrell has constantly suggested that Tipp are soft. he said if before the game that only one team would die on Sunday and it wouldnt be KK, but KK did die. They let Bubbles score probably the easiest goal he ever will. Loughnane among others have suggested the same thing.

Cody will be disappointed that 2 finals in a row his team have essentially thrown in the towel. The narrative is that Tipp don't win close games and therefore lack bottle because of it, which to me makes no sense. Even last year when things were going bad in Munster we had 2 remarkable comebacks similar to the Wexford game this year.

tiobraid (Tipperary) - Posts: 2724 - 20/08/2019 18:06:12    2227974

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Replying To PatOLogical:  "You fail to accept that in Barret's case he was going for the ball, whereas Richie was never going for the ball, clearly bis only intent was "to take out' the man". As for the ref.. while it was clear to him I like that he consulted with his officials anyway in case he overlooked something in the white heat of battle. This is not playing on the edge as some would have us believe.. This is outright assault by and element that feels they are irreproachable and needs to be brought under control."
Did you quote the correct post here? There is no mention of Barrett in the quoted post?
Your last sentence is comically over dramatic to be fair

Heftydickonem (Kilkenny) - Posts: 143 - 20/08/2019 18:11:54    2227976

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Replying To tiobraid:  "Its a misconception that Tipp players get criticised by their own people. Babs is the only one I know of and hes...well just babs!
Tyrell has constantly suggested that Tipp are soft. he said if before the game that only one team would die on Sunday and it wouldnt be KK, but KK did die. They let Bubbles score probably the easiest goal he ever will. Loughnane among others have suggested the same thing.

Cody will be disappointed that 2 finals in a row his team have essentially thrown in the towel. The narrative is that Tipp don't win close games and therefore lack bottle because of it, which to me makes no sense. Even last year when things were going bad in Munster we had 2 remarkable comebacks similar to the Wexford game this year."
Thanks for that post Tiobraid. I'm too hungover to put anything properly into words about this at the minute.

I hope you enjoyed Sunday night. Great to see our boys win it again, especially the lads who have soldiered away since 2009.

I think what is killing Kilkenny is losing back to back finals because this is the first time it has happened to them since the beginning of the Cody era.

Killarney.87 (Tipperary) - Posts: 2507 - 20/08/2019 18:37:35    2227989

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Replying To Heftydickonem:  "Did you quote the correct post here? There is no mention of Barrett in the quoted post?
Your last sentence is comically over dramatic to be fair"
I quoted the correct post.. and expanded to include what you failed or refused to see. .
but all's well and I choose to now go with Brian Cody's erstwhile comment that "the best team always wins the All-Ireland, or does that only apply when The Cats are the winners? Come to think of it..that seems to be what this whole thread is about.

PatOLogical (Limerick) - Posts: 1065 - 20/08/2019 19:31:37    2228006

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Replying To Heftydickonem:  "Did you quote the correct post here? There is no mention of Barrett in the quoted post?
Your last sentence is comically over dramatic to be fair"
Understatement wouldn't be his form

Westfester (Limerick) - Posts: 851 - 20/08/2019 19:45:47    2228008

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Replying To PatOLogical:  "I quoted the correct post.. and expanded to include what you failed or refused to see. .
but all's well and I choose to now go with Brian Cody's erstwhile comment that "the best team always wins the All-Ireland, or does that only apply when The Cats are the winners? Come to think of it..that seems to be what this whole thread is about."
Nail on the head. The reason Richie Hogan's red card is so controversial is because Kilkenny are making it so.

We were surprised and disappointed to see John McGrath getting sent off against Wexford but accepted that he was silly and deserved his second yellow and red.

Killarney.87 (Tipperary) - Posts: 2507 - 20/08/2019 19:55:40    2228010

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have to say I enjoyed tipps win
their stylish hurling is allways easy on the eye
they really celebrated this one big time
the joy and happiness on sheedy and players faces said it all
it was like they had won their first one great to see it
when kilkenny win it allways seems an anti-climax not much joy in it
I think we wont see them winning as often in future
they might enjoy it more the next time they manage to win it

rhudson (Galway) - Posts: 1046 - 20/08/2019 20:10:28    2228014

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Replying To Westfester:  "Understatement wouldn't be his form"
Are you an aka Disillusioned Fan ,perhaps?

PatOLogical (Limerick) - Posts: 1065 - 20/08/2019 20:12:20    2228016

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