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Replying To Joxer: "That remark was tongue in cheek from me. Basketball is actually the fastest growing sport in Ireland at the moment. Lots of big clubs in Dublin now as well with Templeogue, Lions, Eanna, UCD, Vincents and clubs now springing up across west Dublin and north county Dublin at a rate of knots. Our underage international teams are also doing well. So yes, plenty of interest in other sports in all counties. More the reason for the GAA to keep the GDF money going and win the battle for kids' hearts." Joxer, no problem at all with your comment. Just thought I'd throw it in.
offyertrolley (Leitrim) - Posts: 141 - 30/07/2019 19:03:13
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Replying To Llaw_Gyffes: "Now hold on a minute Donald I have a feeling you haven't thought this through. Firstly all our money is gone into making Westport great again so we haven't a single peso to contribute. Secondly it's enough that it will be Mayo people building the wall as I can't see Galway lads getting their hands dirty after all those decadent years sunning themselves in Salthill. Thirdly after you returned, as you say yourself and to which I take grave exception, the barbarian hordes, who is going to mind your children, mantain your swimming pools and help you to keep reasonably clean. I can see orders going in for extra long ladders as we speak. As that Labi whatsisname said "the higher you build your barriers...... As a matter of interest have you any plans for the Hondurans from Roscommon!" You leave our Hondurans alone Llaw. Any truth in the rumour that Horan has the Mayo players running up and down 'The REEk' every night and that the locals are complaining about them destroying the so-called footpath up the mountain?
neverright (Roscommon) - Posts: 1648 - 30/07/2019 19:22:47
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Apart from the ridiculousness of the proposal, I'm disappointed in the blatant abuse of the term "case study".
1. It can't be called a case study as there is no case. You can't study something which never happened...
2. The poster did no study anyway, they just started with the conclusion.
CastleBravo (Meath) - Posts: 1646 - 30/07/2019 19:22:49
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4 provinces with 8 teams. It's a streamlined format.
legendzxix (Kerry) - Posts: 7865 - 30/07/2019 20:58:11
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Replying To legendzxix: "4 provinces with 8 teams. It's a streamlined format." It's not 4 provinces anymore. I've already commented on this format.
West: Galway, Mayo, Leitrim, Sligo, Longford, London, and Donegal.
North: Cavan, Derry, Tyrone, Fermanagh, Down, Armagh, Antrim, Monaghan.
East: Dublin, Laois, Kildare, Westmeath, Meath, Louth, Wicklow, and Offaly.
South: Kerry, Clare, Limerick, Cork, Tipperary, Carlow, Wexford, and Waterford.
I wouldn't support this format. I don't it's the solution. Limerick were competitive in Munster in the 2000s. They can be again. The numbers are there despite it being a hurling county. There's a lot of dual code players in the county.
Hawkeye9212 (Donegal) - Posts: 266 - 30/07/2019 21:19:44
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I really feel that if you alter the Provincials at all you may as well get rid of them altogether and just have some sort of open draw All Ireland.
The reasons for having Provincial championships in the first place, cost of travel, is not a factor really now.
It's a small, well off country that we live in nowadays, it's not too difficult to run just a championship on a National basis.
Whammo86 (Antrim) - Posts: 4232 - 30/07/2019 21:35:56
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Replying To Hawkeye9212: "It's not 4 provinces anymore. I've already commented on this format.
West: Galway, Mayo, Leitrim, Sligo, Longford, London, and Donegal.
North: Cavan, Derry, Tyrone, Fermanagh, Down, Armagh, Antrim, Monaghan.
East: Dublin, Laois, Kildare, Westmeath, Meath, Louth, Wicklow, and Offaly.
South: Kerry, Clare, Limerick, Cork, Tipperary, Carlow, Wexford, and Waterford.
I wouldn't support this format. I don't it's the solution. Limerick were competitive in Munster in the 2000s. They can be again. The numbers are there despite it being a hurling county. There's a lot of dual code players in the county." Yes indeed you have already commented on this Legendxix.
Your contagion of topics is boring and deeply cynical. I think the spike in your activity suggests you are ill at ease as there is a certain 5 in a row looming large.
As someone said earlier, this is not a case study. But this is going to go over your head anyway. I'm sure you are teeing up your next subject. Why don't you give Whammo86 a rest and give Omhant a run?
Donegalman (None) - Posts: 3830 - 30/07/2019 21:36:40
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Replying To Hawkeye9212: "It's not 4 provinces anymore. I've already commented on this format.
West: Galway, Mayo, Leitrim, Sligo, Longford, London, and Donegal.
North: Cavan, Derry, Tyrone, Fermanagh, Down, Armagh, Antrim, Monaghan.
East: Dublin, Laois, Kildare, Westmeath, Meath, Louth, Wicklow, and Offaly.
South: Kerry, Clare, Limerick, Cork, Tipperary, Carlow, Wexford, and Waterford.
I wouldn't support this format. I don't it's the solution. Limerick were competitive in Munster in the 2000s. They can be again. The numbers are there despite it being a hurling county. There's a lot of dual code players in the county." I forgot about Roscommon. They would be in West.
Hawkeye9212 (Donegal) - Posts: 266 - 30/07/2019 21:36:45
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Replying To Whammo86: "I really feel that if you alter the Provincials at all you may as well get rid of them altogether and just have some sort of open draw All Ireland.
The reasons for having Provincial championships in the first place, cost of travel, is not a factor really now.
It's a small, well off country that we live in nowadays, it's not too difficult to run just a championship on a National basis." Ulster and Connacht won't be scrapped.
Hawkeye9212 (Donegal) - Posts: 266 - 30/07/2019 21:40:31
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Replying To Donegalman: "Yes indeed you have already commented on this Legendxix.
Your contagion of topics is boring and deeply cynical. I think the spike in your activity suggests you are ill at ease as there is a certain 5 in a row looming large.
As someone said earlier, this is not a case study. But this is going to go over your head anyway. I'm sure you are teeing up your next subject. Why don't you give Whammo86 a rest and give Omhant a run?" I'm not Legend. Gatheryour evidence and contact the people who manage this forum and ask them crack down on people using multiple accounts. Until then, cut it out.
Hawkeye9212 (Donegal) - Posts: 266 - 30/07/2019 21:45:06
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Replying To Donegalman: "Yes indeed you have already commented on this Legendxix.
Your contagion of topics is boring and deeply cynical. I think the spike in your activity suggests you are ill at ease as there is a certain 5 in a row looming large.
As someone said earlier, this is not a case study. But this is going to go over your head anyway. I'm sure you are teeing up your next subject. Why don't you give Whammo86 a rest and give Omhant a run?" This discussion is about fairness across the provinces. What have Longford got to lose by trialling joining Connaught for a couple of years? If it works great and if not, they return to the Leinster Championship.
legendzxix (Kerry) - Posts: 7865 - 30/07/2019 21:50:20
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Replying To Hawkeye9212: "I'm not Legend. Gatheryour evidence and contact the people who manage this forum and ask them crack down on people using multiple accounts. Until then, cut it out." And I'm not you! I am the Legend! Some man for one man.
I've contacted the people who run this forum as well. Others should do the same.
legendzxix (Kerry) - Posts: 7865 - 30/07/2019 21:53:39
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Replying To neverright: "You leave our Hondurans alone Llaw. Any truth in the rumour that Horan has the Mayo players running up and down 'The REEk' every night and that the locals are complaining about them destroying the so-called footpath up the mountain?" Odd enough build up down here, not even a rumour of a rumour. Don't think Mayo people know what to expect. We're not used to playing at home in the championship and being complete outsiders. I think there's a collective holding of breath before seeing if we can still mix it with the big boys. Don't suppose many Ros fans will go to Cork. Pity as it could be an interesting game if there was something at stake. Still a good year for your lads though with the bit of silverware.
Llaw_Gyffes (Mayo) - Posts: 1113 - 30/07/2019 21:56:31
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Replying To Donegalman: "Yes indeed you have already commented on this Legendxix.
Your contagion of topics is boring and deeply cynical. I think the spike in your activity suggests you are ill at ease as there is a certain 5 in a row looming large.
As someone said earlier, this is not a case study. But this is going to go over your head anyway. I'm sure you are teeing up your next subject. Why don't you give Whammo86 a rest and give Omhant a run?" Admin can you stop this. It's getting tiresome, this guy is repeatedly claiming people are other users, when they are just not. None of these posts are on topic. I don't see how they need to get through.
Whammo86 (Antrim) - Posts: 4232 - 31/07/2019 05:45:34
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Replying To CastleBravo: "Apart from the ridiculousness of the proposal, I'm disappointed in the blatant abuse of the term "case study".
1. It can't be called a case study as there is no case. You can't study something which never happened...
2. The poster did no study anyway, they just started with the conclusion." Well said.
There is an air of the pseudo intellectual about the title.
CornAghais91 (Dublin) - Posts: 126 - 31/07/2019 09:08:50
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Interesting topic with food for thought.
I would be with O Gormaile and theweanling protective of the provincial competition but it is unfair as a team can win Munster with two matches compared to an Ulster team facing four tough games (think Donegal in 2011/2012)... so you double your chances of picking up injuries and suspensions. I would favour a little tinkering around to ensure four quarter finals in each province.
Fermanagh have never won an Ulster title so I would offer them an opportunity to compete in Connacht. This would eliminate the need for a pre lim match in Ulster as well as bringing Connacht to eight teams (London & New York included).
Agree with Jack-Goff's idea of allowing Kilkenny players to play for Carlow except that I would allow them to compete in Munster along with Wicklow who have never won a Leister title. This still leaves us with nine teams in Leinster which might be solved by allowing Longford/Westmeath pool their resources and build on their legacy of one Leinster title each.
I recall that Carlow/Kilkenny and Longford/Westmeath were/are election constituencies and that sports and politics shouldn't mix but could be worth a trial. So to develop Hawkeye 9219 model of four groups of eight teams :
ULSTER : Armagh, Antrim, Cavan, Donegal, Down, Derry, Monaghan and Tyrone.
CONNACHT : Mayo, Galway, Roscommon, Sligo, Leitrim, Fermanagh, London and New York.
LEINSTER : Dublin, Meath, Kildare, Offaly, Louth, Laois, Wexford and Longford/Westmeath.
MUNSTER : Cork, Kerry, Limerick, Clare, Waterford, Tipperary, Wicklow and Carlow/Kilkenny.
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Replying To Hawkeye9212: "Ulster and Connacht won't be scrapped." If you move Donegal out of Ulster it's no longer the Ulster championship.
Whammo86 (Antrim) - Posts: 4232 - 31/07/2019 12:08:41
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Replying To CastleBravo: "Apart from the ridiculousness of the proposal, I'm disappointed in the blatant abuse of the term "case study".
1. It can't be called a case study as there is no case. You can't study something which never happened...
2. The poster did no study anyway, they just started with the conclusion." If you disagree, you disagree.
Galway hurling is established in Leinster. A former Longford chairman did discuss the merits of moving to Connaught. If there was support for it on a trial basis and it was successful, it could encourage others to do the same or not as suits them.
legendzxix (Kerry) - Posts: 7865 - 31/07/2019 13:29:18
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Replying To Curlew66: "Interesting topic with food for thought.
I would be with O Gormaile and theweanling protective of the provincial competition but it is unfair as a team can win Munster with two matches compared to an Ulster team facing four tough games (think Donegal in 2011/2012)... so you double your chances of picking up injuries and suspensions. I would favour a little tinkering around to ensure four quarter finals in each province.
Fermanagh have never won an Ulster title so I would offer them an opportunity to compete in Connacht. This would eliminate the need for a pre lim match in Ulster as well as bringing Connacht to eight teams (London & New York included).
Agree with Jack-Goff's idea of allowing Kilkenny players to play for Carlow except that I would allow them to compete in Munster along with Wicklow who have never won a Leister title. This still leaves us with nine teams in Leinster which might be solved by allowing Longford/Westmeath pool their resources and build on their legacy of one Leinster title each.
I recall that Carlow/Kilkenny and Longford/Westmeath were/are election constituencies and that sports and politics shouldn't mix but could be worth a trial. So to develop Hawkeye 9219 model of four groups of eight teams :
ULSTER : Armagh, Antrim, Cavan, Donegal, Down, Derry, Monaghan and Tyrone.
CONNACHT : Mayo, Galway, Roscommon, Sligo, Leitrim, Fermanagh, London and New York.
LEINSTER : Dublin, Meath, Kildare, Offaly, Louth, Laois, Wexford and Longford/Westmeath.
MUNSTER : Cork, Kerry, Limerick, Clare, Waterford, Tipperary, Wicklow and Carlow/Kilkenny." Teams based on Electoral Constituencies alone would be interesting and a real field leveller - Dubs split in 12, Cork in 4, Galway in 2, Donegal in 2 etc.
While this would represent a huge paradigm shift - each team would represent a more even number of population headcount.
Leinster and Munster Championships would be so exciting again - with so many intra-county rivalries.
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Replying To Jack_Goff: "Good idea. Longford would actually have a chance of provincial glory and I'd imagine they'd find it easier to get the best 25 players in the county to commit. It would narrow the margin of teams competing in Leinster vs Connaught so would be good on that front too. The only other change I'd make is Kilkenny footballers being allowed play for Carlow at intercounty level." A Carlow/Kilk team would improve the Kilk hurling team too, when they add the best Carlow player.
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