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would expand Super 8 into super 15 format.
Provincial finalists plus 7 back door teams qualifying. 3 groups of 5 with everyone having 2 home and 2 away matches.
top 2 get into quarters. 3 and 4th place teams playoff to fill fill remaining 2 places in Quarters.
4th placed teams and 3rd place team with worst record playoff then winner of that plays 2x 3rd placed teams with best records leaving 8in quarters.
Reduce the league by having 6 divisions. roughly 5 matches. Start provinces earlier
centerfield (Mayo) - Posts: 360 - 26/07/2019 08:38:31
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Prov Finals could be baked into the groups as well.
I think I would go straight to the 8 - 2 best 3rds (seeded 7 and 8) joining 3 top 2s (group winners seeded 1 to 3).
Other 17 in Tier 2 - 2 groups of 5 and a '3 v 2,2'.
For 4 games in the 3rd group - trio plays the others only and pairs go head-to-head - top 4 of 7 join other 2 groups top 3s in 10-team KO - Finalists to Super 15 (2nd chance to Prov KO stream) in following year.
omahant (USA) - Posts: 2598 - 26/07/2019 11:54:18
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Ciaran Whelan was suggesting a Super 10.
Here's how to implement it:
Qualifier Round 1: Best 12 non-provincial finalists based on league.
Qualifier Round 2: 4 Provincial runners-up and 6 Round 1 winners. Teams seeded based on league with the provision that provincial runners-up cannot be drawn against each other.
Super 10: 4 Provincial winners and 6 Round 2 winners.
- 2 provincial champions in a group. Provincial champions ranked 1 and 2 based on league.
- 3 qualifiers in a group. Qualifiers ranked 3, 4 and 5 based on league.
- Group winners qualify for semi-finals.
- Group runners-up and third placed teams qualify for quarter-finals.
legendzxix (Kerry) - Posts: 7857 - 26/07/2019 12:57:14
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What's so super about a super 15?
Realistically there are only maybe 8 counties that can even make the all Ireland final.
Ej (Wexford) - Posts: 355 - 26/07/2019 13:06:27
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Correcting earlier miscalculation!
Ciaran Whelan was suggesting a Super 10.
Here's how to implement it:
Qualifier Round 1: Best 16 non-provincial finalists based on league.
Qualifier Round 2: 4 Provincial runners-up and 8 Round 1 winners. Teams seeded based on league with the provision that provincial runners-up cannot be drawn against each other.
Super 10: 4 Provincial winners and 6 Round 2 winners.
- 2 provincial champions in a group. Provincial champions ranked 1 and 2 based on league.
- 3 qualifiers in a group. Qualifiers ranked 3, 4 and 5 based on league.
- Group winners qualify for semi-finals.
- Group runners-up and third placed teams qualify for quarter-finals.
legendzxix (Kerry) - Posts: 7857 - 26/07/2019 13:16:06
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Replying To Ej: "What's so super about a super 15?
Realistically there are only maybe 8 counties that can even make the all Ireland final." i think better off keeping the teams on the fringes playing the top teams that's the only way they can close the gap. Traditionally strong counties like Meath, Cork, Down etc
Hopefully Dublin will come back to the pack a bit so there aren't so many one sided matches
centerfield (Mayo) - Posts: 360 - 26/07/2019 14:22:47
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10 teams in the group stage is enough. The GAA could help the qualifiers and the lower tier competitions with better names, branding and marketing. Take the qualifiers for example, give them a name that makes it easier for people to understand. My suggestion is for two rounds of qualifiers:
All-Ireland Championship:
Play-Off Semi-Finals: 16 highest placed league team missing out on the provincial finals. (16 teams)
Play-Off Finals: 4 Provincial Runners-Up and 8 Play-Off Semi-Final winners. (12 teams)
Group Stage: 4 Provincial Winners and 6 Play-Off Final winners. (10 teams.)
Championship 1:
8 teams defeated in the Play-Off Semi-Finals.
Quarter-Finals: 8 teams.
Semi-Finals: 4 winners.
Final: Venue = Croke Park.
Championship 2:
8 teams excluded from the Play-Offs.
Round 1: 8 teams.
Round 2A: 4 Round 1 winners. Round 2B: 4 Round 1 losers.
Quarter-Finals: 2 Round 2A losers and 2 Round 2 winners.
Semi-Finals: 2 Round 2A winners and 2 Quarter-Final winners.
Final: Venue = Croke Park.
The finals of Championship 1 and Championship 2 can be played as a double header in Croke Park. The winner of both Championship 1 and Championship 2 can be guaranteed a Play-Off Semi-Final spot each in the following year.
legendzxix (Kerry) - Posts: 7857 - 26/07/2019 17:46:12
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Yes - I think these labels are important for marketing purposes. And structure is simple to understand (unlike some of mine :).
And if expanding to a group stage instead to incorporate earlier post ideas in this thread -
AI Super 10 = 2 x 5
Champp 1 = 3 x 5
Champp 2 = Other 7 (keep 4 games with 3 v 2,2 and pairs Head2Head.
omahant (USA) - Posts: 2598 - 26/07/2019 23:46:52
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Replying To centerfield: "i think better off keeping the teams on the fringes playing the top teams that's the only way they can close the gap. Traditionally strong counties like Meath, Cork, Down etc
Hopefully Dublin will come back to the pack a bit so there aren't so many one sided matches" For marketing Super 15 is ok - it's no worse than 'Champions' League - England's 4th v Italy's 4th anyone ? - for the Title !
I am old enough to remember - Champions 'Cup' - 31 or 32 national 'Champions' (with the non-Champ Title Holder added in) - to determine the 'best of the best' in a pure KO.
Go Bob Paisley !
omahant (USA) - Posts: 2598 - 27/07/2019 00:05:09
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Replying To legendzxix: "Correcting earlier miscalculation!
Ciaran Whelan was suggesting a Super 10.
Here's how to implement it:
Qualifier Round 1: Best 16 non-provincial finalists based on league.
Qualifier Round 2: 4 Provincial runners-up and 8 Round 1 winners. Teams seeded based on league with the provision that provincial runners-up cannot be drawn against each other.
Super 10: 4 Provincial winners and 6 Round 2 winners.
- 2 provincial champions in a group. Provincial champions ranked 1 and 2 based on league.
- 3 qualifiers in a group. Qualifiers ranked 3, 4 and 5 based on league.
- Group winners qualify for semi-finals.
- Group runners-up and third placed teams qualify for quarter-finals." I didn't get the 1,2 and 3,4,5 (lopsided strength).
Should it be 1,4 with (5, 10), 7 and 2,3 with (6, 9), 8 ?
omahant (USA) - Posts: 2598 - 27/07/2019 00:13:16
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Didn't want to start a new thread - but an old idea of mine - Super 18 ?
1) Keep cureent lopsided Prov KO - 4 Champs to AI Tier 1 KO 16.
2) Super 18 - with NFL top 14, 2 prior NFL Div 3 top 2 and 2 prior AI Tier 2 Finalists - form 6 groups of 3 - each 3 from different Provs - modest 2 games per team - 6 top 2s to AI Tier 1 KO 16 - Prov Champs will most likely advance twice and get a bye to AI QFs.
3) Other 14 - 4 'local groups' of 3 and 1 two-legged pair - 5 group winners and 3 best 2nds from 4x3 to Tier 2 KO QFs - 2 Finalists to Tier 1 in the following year.
Keeps much of the tradition - and adds a aimple, not too burdensome Super 18, with some good Inter-Prov matchups !
omahant (USA) - Posts: 2598 - 27/07/2019 01:50:45
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Replying To legendzxix: "10 teams in the group stage is enough. The GAA could help the qualifiers and the lower tier competitions with better names, branding and marketing. Take the qualifiers for example, give them a name that makes it easier for people to understand. My suggestion is for two rounds of qualifiers:
All-Ireland Championship:
Play-Off Semi-Finals: 16 highest placed league team missing out on the provincial finals. (16 teams)
Play-Off Finals: 4 Provincial Runners-Up and 8 Play-Off Semi-Final winners. (12 teams)
Group Stage: 4 Provincial Winners and 6 Play-Off Final winners. (10 teams.)
Championship 1:
8 teams defeated in the Play-Off Semi-Finals.
Quarter-Finals: 8 teams.
Semi-Finals: 4 winners.
Final: Venue = Croke Park.
Championship 2:
8 teams excluded from the Play-Offs.
Round 1: 8 teams.
Round 2A: 4 Round 1 winners. Round 2B: 4 Round 1 losers.
Quarter-Finals: 2 Round 2A losers and 2 Round 2 winners.
Semi-Finals: 2 Round 2A winners and 2 Quarter-Final winners.
Final: Venue = Croke Park.
The finals of Championship 1 and Championship 2 can be played as a double header in Croke Park. The winner of both Championship 1 and Championship 2 can be guaranteed a Play-Off Semi-Final spot each in the following year." AI 10 + Champp 1. 8 + Champp 2. 8 = 26.
Only Play Off losers 6 with nothing to play fot ?
Add latter to Champp 1. 14, or Own Champp 0.5 ?
Why have a 26 and 6 county split - enough of that !
omahant (USA) - Posts: 2598 - 27/07/2019 02:00:56
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Whatever the future format hope they go with uneven group numbers and get rid of the neutral fixtures. all matches home or away
centerfield (Mayo) - Posts: 360 - 27/07/2019 22:24:27
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Replying To centerfield: "i think better off keeping the teams on the fringes playing the top teams that's the only way they can close the gap. Traditionally strong counties like Meath, Cork, Down etc
Hopefully Dublin will come back to the pack a bit so there aren't so many one sided matches" I agree with this. I think playing in the Super 8s this year will really benefit teams like Cork and Meath. I have said a few times on different forums that competing regularly in the Super 8s will become top priority, rather than playing division 1 football in the league. No point killing yourself in the league and then not having a good championship.
Green_Gold (Donegal) - Posts: 1874 - 27/07/2019 22:46:59
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Oh sweet lord!...not another thread on changing championship format!
mayotyroneman (Tyrone) - Posts: 1821 - 27/07/2019 22:56:47
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The super 8's is largely uncompetitive and drags out too long, a super 15 or 10 would be worse
890202 (Wexford) - Posts: 1278 - 27/07/2019 23:32:26
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Just what the football championship needs: another format that requires a Phd in maths and a 15 page user manual.
festinog (Galway) - Posts: 3097 - 28/07/2019 07:18:33
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Replying To 890202: "The super 8's is largely uncompetitive and drags out too long, a super 15 or 10 would be worse" Donegal, Mayo and Kerry are offering up an interesting tussle. The Super 8 games possibly should be played out over 3 consecutive weekends, allowing a two week gap ahead of the semi-finals.
legendzxix (Kerry) - Posts: 7857 - 28/07/2019 20:17:19
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Legendxix = centrefield = omahant = green_gold
Donegalman (None) - Posts: 3830 - 28/07/2019 20:21:02
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Maybe we should just have a 'Super 32'.
neverright (Roscommon) - Posts: 1648 - 28/07/2019 20:30:17
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