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Wexford V Tipp.. First Full House For Semi?

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Replying To wexico15:  "There expecting about 65k on Sunday of which about 40k will be wexford"
40k from Wexford would be absolutely amazing considering there is 150k population. That would be 27% of the population in Croker for the match. It hardly could be that much?

bdbuddah (Meath) - Posts: 1354 - 25/07/2019 20:18:20    2216492

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Replying To wexico15:  "Been pedantic here but cork and waterford in 2017 (72 k) got a bigger crowd than cork and limerick (71k)"
What was the attendance at the Limerick Waterford Semi final in 2007.

Oldtourman (Limerick) - Posts: 4321 - 25/07/2019 20:30:41    2216495

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What about the people that don't attend every match but when there's County and club draws put their hand in their pockets time and time again?

Where do they fall in the good fans debate?

There's a lot more to supporting football or hurling in your county than going to games imo.

I know fellas that attend every single Dubs game but would cross the street to avoid you if you were fundraising for a set geansaís or hurls.

Now most that are regular match goers are sound out and are generous but not all in my experience.

MesAmis (Dublin) - Posts: 13710 - 25/07/2019 21:15:20    2216522

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Replying To waynoI:  "
Replying To steve097:  "[quote=waynoI:  "Where were the 40k supporters before they got to a leinster final?

They arent great fans. They're great bandwagon jumpers.

The real great supporters of any county, cause this isnt a dig at wexford people are the fans that go to league games, pre season tournament games in the freezing cold.

Very easy to rock up to an all ireland semi final at the end of July when the weather is good and you havent been to most games in the year."
On a scale of 1 to 10 there are supporters all along it. You can't expect aunt Mary and uncle Paddy to be freezing their nuts off in February, but they're as entitled as anyone to their day out if that's their choice. Live and let live."
I appreciate that not everyone can, and they're entitled to their day of course they are and I hope they have a brilliant day and enjoy the occasion....... but they still arent great supporters.

They're still only jumping on the bandwagon. You cant get away from that fact.

The great supporters are the fans from any county who do spend their wages going to games in the league be they from Dublin, mayo, leitrim, sligo, etc.

No county has great support over another. Just some have greater bandwagon fans. Nothing wrong with them, but lets not just take a number like 40k wexford people going to a semi final of an all ireland and start saying they're brilliant cause they arent really.

The brilliant ones are the supporters of every county who will be freezing their bits off next January from wexford who come out. Or the few thousand Dublin fans that come out, or mayo fans who come out. Alot of them wexford fans there on sunday will be there for the gargle, not the actual game on the pitch, and I can say that with certainty, because itll be the same with dublin fans in our football semo final. I'm not just having a pop at wexford. Its every single county and their fairweather bandwagon jumpin fans and sure we can talk about irish football and rugby teams too. Same goes."]Another nonsense post. Biggest population in the country yet Wexford v Kilkenny had 4,000 more than the Leinster Football Final with Dublin playing at home, you couldn't make it up.

Jedobi (Wexford) - Posts: 143 - 25/07/2019 21:39:57    2216529

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Replying To OpenStand:  "Last years semi between Limerick & Cork was a new semi record at 72K odd. Be hard to surpass that even with Wexfords large following as Tipperary are not drawing big numbers. The Munster final definitely saw Limerick outnumber Tipp minimum 3 to 1 indicating circa 10K from Tipp attended Munster final.
A limerick wexford final would create the most difficult final ever to try get a ticket for if they both get through. 1996 was crazy difficult for tickets in an era where final tickets were not a issue."
Clearly outnumbered in the Munster Final but the fact is Tipp games have attracted a much larger attendance than any other county this season and by some distance. Over 40 k in one game, 30k in three games from six and Ennis full to capacity too in the firth game and 23k at the Waterford game.
All huge attendances. A lot of focus on Tipp not supporting in numbers this year, doesnt fully stack up for me.

Possibly outnumbered in some or most of them games but either way opposition supporters are coming out all year for the Tipp games as well as our own supporters.
I'd expect about 55k at this game. Unlikely to be more.

tiobraid (Tipperary) - Posts: 4119 - 25/07/2019 21:51:06    2216539

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Replying To wexico15:  "There expecting about 65k on Sunday of which about 40k will be wexford"
Certainly won't be 40k Wexford fans there, I'd be shocked if there's 65k at the game

tiobraid (Tipperary) - Posts: 4119 - 25/07/2019 22:32:01    2216560

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Replying To tiobraid:  "Clearly outnumbered in the Munster Final but the fact is Tipp games have attracted a much larger attendance than any other county this season and by some distance. Over 40 k in one game, 30k in three games from six and Ennis full to capacity too in the firth game and 23k at the Waterford game.
All huge attendances. A lot of focus on Tipp not supporting in numbers this year, doesnt fully stack up for me.

Possibly outnumbered in some or most of them games but either way opposition supporters are coming out all year for the Tipp games as well as our own supporters.
I'd expect about 55k at this game. Unlikely to be more."
How many from Tipp expected?

Ej (Wexford) - Posts: 355 - 25/07/2019 23:10:10    2216574

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Replying To tiobraid:  "Clearly outnumbered in the Munster Final but the fact is Tipp games have attracted a much larger attendance than any other county this season and by some distance. Over 40 k in one game, 30k in three games from six and Ennis full to capacity too in the firth game and 23k at the Waterford game.
All huge attendances. A lot of focus on Tipp not supporting in numbers this year, doesnt fully stack up for me.

Possibly outnumbered in some or most of them games but either way opposition supporters are coming out all year for the Tipp games as well as our own supporters.
I'd expect about 55k at this game. Unlikely to be more."
How many from Tipp expected?

Ej (Wexford) - Posts: 355 - 25/07/2019 23:10:19    2216575

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Replying To cavanman47:  "
Replying To waynoI:  "Where were the 40k supporters before they got to a leinster final?

They arent great fans. They're great bandwagon jumpers.

The real great supporters of any county, cause this isnt a dig at wexford people are the fans that go to league games, pre season tournament games in the freezing cold.

Very easy to rock up to an all ireland semi final at the end of July when the weather is good and you havent been to most games in the year."
Dublin played Cavan in the last game of the league proper in mid March in front of a crowd of 7311.

So even if a single Cavan fan or neutral didnt show up, Dublin brought a maximum of 7311 fans to their last pre-championship game.

When Dublin inevitably make the all ireland final, should only 7311 Dublin fans be allowed to attend??

Is that what you're saying??"
Cavanman47: Dublin played Cavan in the last game of the league proper in mid March in front of a crowd of 7311. So even if a single Cavan fan or neutral didnt show up, Dublin brought a maximum of 7311 fans to their last pre-championship game. When Dublin inevitably make the all ireland final, should only 7311 Dublin fans be allowed to attend?? Is that what you're saying??"

Nope.

I literally didn't say anything about anyone deserving tickets in that post. so stop with your BS and putting words in my mouth, adding 2 and 2 and coming up with everything except 4.

Ill say it again, Maybe youll understand it then.

If wexford bring 40,000 fans on Sunday, that does NOT mean they have great fans. It means thousands of "wexicans" are jumping on the bandwagon - Now - Let me make this clear for you - I never said there was anything wrong necessarily with bandwagon support, every sports team including my own have a massive bandwagon following when we reach semi finals and all Ireland finals, and I said it was not a specific dig at Wexford, but for me, genuine supporters, great supporters are those of all county teams who go to every game, or most games. Not those who don't bother their arse from January - july and decide because theyre n a semi final they'll go.

But, on your Dublin v Cavan point - I believe tickets in the GAA should be distributed better in that people that go to all games with proof should be guaranteed a ticket before those who go to none and want to go to a semi final.


So, If your example of 7311 Dublin fans went to Breffni, and all 7311 of those went to every league game, then they should all get a ticket for the final if Dublin get there yes.

Now I hope that clears things up. Any more issues ?

waynoI (Dublin) - Posts: 13650 - 25/07/2019 23:24:49    2216582

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Replying To perfect10:  "there are people in clubs in wexford who i know that watch every wexford match but never go to a match.
there are people who are having their hand forced by children who want to go.
these same children wont necessarily be shouting to go to a league match in march.
but what about it.there are people who i know flying from london,madrid,etc to be there.
this is a massive occasion and after years of huge work in underage,wexford are competitive again.
do gaa people really think that only ones who go to every match should go?
i absolutely detest this gaa higher than mighty nonsense.
was every limerick or galway fan at the final last year at every match? No.
and waynoi,there are plenty of people at every dublin match who are there for the day out.
live and let live and get down off yer high horse brigade"
Im entitled to my opinion, You're the one on your high horse in fairness.

waynoI (Dublin) - Posts: 13650 - 25/07/2019 23:26:16    2216583

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Replying To Jack_Goff:  "
Replying To The_Fridge:  "[quote=waynoI:  "Where were the 40k supporters before they got to a leinster final?

They arent great fans. They're great bandwagon jumpers.

The real great supporters of any county, cause this isnt a dig at wexford people are the fans that go to league games, pre season tournament games in the freezing cold.

Very easy to rock up to an all ireland semi final at the end of July when the weather is good and you havent been to most games in the year."
Completely agree.

And if you haven't bothered showing up for league etc you shouldn't get a ticket. Simple as."
So the GAA shouldn't give supporters to bandwagon fans for a semi final even though it won't sell out? What planet do you live on.

Those two semi finals that got 71k and 72k are some achievements. If the semi final pairing was limerick vs wexford or Cork vs wexford I'd give it a chance to get 80k.

Wexford vs Tipp I'll guess 70k. Lower tiers 99% sold out, upper cusack sold out, Hogan upper well on the way and the Davin upper now being sold. By the time Sunday comes around there won't be many seated tickets left at all. Expect the walk up crowd to be big. The hill holds 13k so that's where most of the drop will be an obviously the front 3 rows that the GAA hold till last."]Jack Goff: [I]So the GAA shouldn't give supporters to bandwagon fans for a semi final even though it won't sell out? What planet do you live on. Those two semi finals that got 71k and 72k are some achievements. If the semi final pairing was limerick vs wexford or Cork vs wexford I'd give it a chance to get 80k. Wexford vs Tipp I'll guess 70k. Lower tiers 99% sold out, upper cusack sold out, Hogan upper well on the way and the Davin upper now being sold. By the time Sunday comes around there won't be many seated tickets left at all. Expect the walk up crowd to be big. The hill holds 13k so that's where most of the drop will be an obviously the front 3 rows that the GAA hold till last."

Another one putting words in my mouth

Where did I say the GAA shouldn't give tickets to bandwagon fans ? Point out where I said it ? Seriously.

If youre going to bother responding at least get your bloody facts right!

I made a point that Wexford bringing 40k fans doesn't make them great fans cause a lot are just jumping on the bandwagon (which there is nothing wrong with par se, they just aren't "great" fans). Of the 40k fans from wexford going, if 30% of them have been to all of Wexfords league and Walsh cup games in the freezing cold, they are great fans.

I stand by my original point 100% - to make it clear for you though, like I made it clear for the Cavan fellow, just so there is no confusion - I DO NOT for one second think bandwagon fans should not get tickets.

waynoI (Dublin) - Posts: 13650 - 25/07/2019 23:32:42    2216585

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Replying To BliainanÁir:  "
Replying To waynoI:  "Where were the 40k supporters before they got to a leinster final?

They arent great fans. They're great bandwagon jumpers.

The real great supporters of any county, cause this isnt a dig at wexford people are the fans that go to league games, pre season tournament games in the freezing cold.

Very easy to rock up to an all ireland semi final at the end of July when the weather is good and you havent been to most games in the year."
Also Waynol you admit you don't support the Dublin hurlers. A wee bit hypocritical. Many support both their footballers and hurlers.

After Dublin lost to Laois you started a thread congratulating us. Thank you! But it was very armchair and against your own county. Pot, kettle, black."
BliainanÁir: Also Waynol you admit you don't support the Dublin hurlers. A wee bit hypocritical. Many support both their footballers and hurlers. After Dublin lost to Laois you started a thread congratulating us. Thank you! But it was very armchair and against your own county. Pot, kettle, black."


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I didn't actively cheer against my own county at all - I respected a brilliant achievement from a county that wasn't Dublin - Doesn't matter if it was 5 minutes or 5 days after the game. Doesn't matter where you are from or who you support, in whatever sport is your preference, its only sport, and generally its okay to acknowledge a great achievement from an underdog.

And for the record - I follow Dublin football. I go to every single Dublin football game and have done for donkeys years. I go to club games as a neutral, but ive zero interest in hurling both in Dublin and further afield. Its not my sport that's my prerogative, as it is someone elses prerogative if they go to both football and hurling

waynoI (Dublin) - Posts: 13650 - 25/07/2019 23:40:01    2216587

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i think tiobraid it didn't matter who wexford are playing this weekend.if it was limerick,kk,etc it is the occasion not the opposition.
i also must take umbrage with the sentiment of bandwagon,if even 1 child is brought to Croke park on sunday and picks up a hurl for the 1st time on monday morning,that is a result.
i would also say that back when i was selling model county development draw tickets,there was very few houses that shut the door on us.people cant make every game but that doesnt mean they dont support.

perfect10 (Wexford) - Posts: 3929 - 25/07/2019 23:41:16    2216588

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Replying To tiobraid:  "Clearly outnumbered in the Munster Final but the fact is Tipp games have attracted a much larger attendance than any other county this season and by some distance. Over 40 k in one game, 30k in three games from six and Ennis full to capacity too in the firth game and 23k at the Waterford game.
All huge attendances. A lot of focus on Tipp not supporting in numbers this year, doesnt fully stack up for me.

Possibly outnumbered in some or most of them games but either way opposition supporters are coming out all year for the Tipp games as well as our own supporters.
I'd expect about 55k at this game. Unlikely to be more."
There's guaranteed to be over 60k on Sunday. Personally I think around 70k looking at what tickets are left on sale.

Agreed on Tipp. Big support this year in Munster. Obviously less at the final but could you put that down to limerick fans snapping up the tickets first?

Jack_Goff (Meath) - Posts: 2920 - 25/07/2019 23:59:09    2216592

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Replying To Oldtourman:  "What was the attendance at the Limerick Waterford Semi final in 2007."
Don't know but it was a double header with a Kerry Monaghan in the football so hard to make a comparison.

ballydalane (Kilkenny) - Posts: 1246 - 26/07/2019 03:07:34    2216608

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The only issue i have with the 'bandwagon' suppprters are that there are clear instances in which these people get tickets for AI finals over true fans who have been there all year. The GAA need to devise a system in which proof of purchase of tickets throughout the year can be given in order to get tickets for finals. Apart from that, bandwagoners are needed as without them, matches would be played in front of deplorable crowds.

PK57 (Louth) - Posts: 1653 - 26/07/2019 07:19:54    2216616

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Replying To PK57:  "The only issue i have with the 'bandwagon' suppprters are that there are clear instances in which these people get tickets for AI finals over true fans who have been there all year. The GAA need to devise a system in which proof of purchase of tickets throughout the year can be given in order to get tickets for finals. Apart from that, bandwagoners are needed as without them, matches would be played in front of deplorable crowds."
if they are there all year they will be guaranteed a ticket for the final on their season ticket?

perfect10 (Wexford) - Posts: 3929 - 26/07/2019 10:08:45    2216668

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People on this site need to forget about the worst bandwagon.
Its overused way too much
No fans are checked when going to games to see how kany previous games they went To
You are bot a better fan because at all Ireland semi final time you have attended all previous games in the year compared to a person attending a first county game of the year
If you do or you dismiss them as a bandwagoner then I feel sorry that you are that petty.
If you attend nearly all games early in year and can't get ticket for a bigger game then that is solely your fault not other fans. If you attend county games as regularly as you state then you would have met enough similar people who you can contact for tickets etc
Everyone is simply a fan. There is nobody on the gates going into grounds going oh you attended 1 county game this year your section in the stands is here and then og you attended every game your section is here

KillingFields (Limerick) - Posts: 3510 - 26/07/2019 10:17:17    2216672

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You would expect a full house for this game, should be a cracker but I would prefer if both semis were on 2 separate weekends and on Sundays like in the past, there used to be great excitement building up to semis and finals, this condensed calendar is a mess and destroying the excitement for players and fans, the biggest problem for players is injuries and fatigue, for fans the problem with a shortened season is money, very difficult for supporters to go to every game and have enough cash to buy tickets, travel and food and take Saturdays off from work, bring back the old system where Sundays were our main GAA days

riverboys (Mayo) - Posts: 1389 - 26/07/2019 10:20:06    2216676

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Replying To riverboys:  "You would expect a full house for this game, should be a cracker but I would prefer if both semis were on 2 separate weekends and on Sundays like in the past, there used to be great excitement building up to semis and finals, this condensed calendar is a mess and destroying the excitement for players and fans, the biggest problem for players is injuries and fatigue, for fans the problem with a shortened season is money, very difficult for supporters to go to every game and have enough cash to buy tickets, travel and food and take Saturdays off from work, bring back the old system where Sundays were our main GAA days"
Extremely valid point about affordability with a shortened season.
I know of a couple of families that went to the Leinster final but can't afford to do both the semi final and (hopefully) a final. They will be watching the match on the tv this week.

Ej (Wexford) - Posts: 355 - 26/07/2019 11:00:05    2216691

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