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Replying To ballydalane:  ""the only goal in question is the third one" - eh, no it's not the only goal in question, the first disallowed goal was extremely soft. He was basically doing what a lot of mediocre club refs do up and down the country and giving the defender a dig out with a soft ould free out. On the national stage, that gets found out, and unfortunately Sean got found out on Sunday.

It set the trend for most of the game where he gave Wexford defenders some very handy frees coming out of defence while conversely at the other end pinging Paudie Maher a few times for over-carrying (one in first half was fair enough, one in second half was extremely harsh as he looked to have released the ball in time). I always find giving defenders a free out or blowing them for over-carrying is a 50/50 call, and most if not all of these 50/50 calls favoured Wexford.

If memory serves, the McDonald penalty incident came very shortly after the McGrath sending off. Yes he bottled that decision, probably because he had loaded Tipp's debit column so much up to that point that even he realised he couldn't fit another big call in Wexford's favour so soon after the sending off. If he had been a bit fairer and more equitable in his decisions up to that point, Wexford may have got their penalty.

But then, Wexford got the benefit of the doubt for the possible square ball goal. A 50/50 call, sure, but another example of Wexford getting a 50/50 call in their favour for that goal but not Tipp for their first goal.

And of course the third goal, which would've put Tipp 3 points up going into injury time. Bad call not to play advantage but no matter, he's given them a penalty, they'll probably score that. Oh wait, he's changed his mind, it's only a 21.

Sorry, it was just awful."
Will you for feck sake take off your blue and gold and black and amber tinted glasses. Look at the tape again. For the free out for the first disallowed goal as the Wexford back goes down to pick up the ball the Tipp backs loose hand pushes him the back. It is a free out all day.

Oldtourman (Limerick) - Posts: 4316 - 31/07/2019 22:44:53    2219271

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Replying To ballydalane:  ""the only goal in question is the third one" - eh, no it's not the only goal in question, the first disallowed goal was extremely soft. He was basically doing what a lot of mediocre club refs do up and down the country and giving the defender a dig out with a soft ould free out. On the national stage, that gets found out, and unfortunately Sean got found out on Sunday.

It set the trend for most of the game where he gave Wexford defenders some very handy frees coming out of defence while conversely at the other end pinging Paudie Maher a few times for over-carrying (one in first half was fair enough, one in second half was extremely harsh as he looked to have released the ball in time). I always find giving defenders a free out or blowing them for over-carrying is a 50/50 call, and most if not all of these 50/50 calls favoured Wexford.

If memory serves, the McDonald penalty incident came very shortly after the McGrath sending off. Yes he bottled that decision, probably because he had loaded Tipp's debit column so much up to that point that even he realised he couldn't fit another big call in Wexford's favour so soon after the sending off. If he had been a bit fairer and more equitable in his decisions up to that point, Wexford may have got their penalty.

But then, Wexford got the benefit of the doubt for the possible square ball goal. A 50/50 call, sure, but another example of Wexford getting a 50/50 call in their favour for that goal but not Tipp for their first goal.

And of course the third goal, which would've put Tipp 3 points up going into injury time. Bad call not to play advantage but no matter, he's given them a penalty, they'll probably score that. Oh wait, he's changed his mind, it's only a 21.

Sorry, it was just awful."
One problem. I have never known a Tipp, Kilkenny or Corkman hurling man that did not think they were entitled to get every fifty fifty decision. You seem to be yet another of that distinguished brigade.

Oldtourman (Limerick) - Posts: 4316 - 31/07/2019 22:47:47    2219274

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Replying To Oldtourman:  "One problem. I have never known a Tipp, Kilkenny or Corkman hurling man that did not think they were entitled to get every fifty fifty decision. You seem to be yet another of that distinguished brigade."
50-50?anything less than 80/20 and kk fans are booing

perfect10 (Wexford) - Posts: 3929 - 01/08/2019 21:53:57    2219582

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Replying To Oldtourman:  "Will you for feck sake take off your blue and gold and black and amber tinted glasses. Look at the tape again. For the free out for the first disallowed goal as the Wexford back goes down to pick up the ball the Tipp backs loose hand pushes him the back. It is a free out all day."
Ha, we seem to be dueling on so many different threads I didn't even see this response.

Out of fairness, I watched the incident back. Forde is harrying O'Hanlon from behind. O'Hanlon fails to rise the ball first time one handed and then attempts to slide kick it back to Fanning. The first part of O'Hanlon's body to make contact with the ground are his legs, consistent with someone attempting a slide kick, rather than arms first, consistent with someone who's been pushed from behind. Forde dives in to win the ball from Fanning, the ball breaks to Breen who kicks it into the net. O'Hanlon, knowing he's made two errors with both the failed pick up and the failed kick back to Fanning, jumps up, throws his head to heaven and starts to jog back out to his position. At NO stage does O'Hanlon appeal to Cleere for a foul, which would appear an extremely magnanimous attitude for a defender who's just been pushed over and conceded a goal. Camera cuts to Cleere pointing for a free out.

On commentary, Michael Duignan: "I didn't see a whole lot there.... You see Jason Forde, he just tackled him, I don't think he pushed him"

Darragh Moloney makes that "ooh" sound he makes when the replay is showing a bad decision by a referee.

Duignan again: "Matthew O'Hanlon goes to ground easily. Wexford very lucky there."

All very strange reactions, from players and commentators alike, for a supposedly clear push in the back.

The fact is there was no push. Sean Cleere took the junior b option of giving a soft free out, and kept digging from there.

ballydalane (Kilkenny) - Posts: 1246 - 02/08/2019 00:21:43    2219623

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Replying To bottletopbill:  "There is a massive slant here and in the media with Brendan Cummins and Michael Duignan etc that Wexford got away with blue murder, but in fairness to you oldtourman you have referenced the blatant penalty on Conor Macdonald, the only goal in question is the third one, the others are self explanatory as to why they were dis allowed and Conor macs penalty claim cancels that out. Ballydalane and Heftydickonem are beyond unreasonable in their assessment of things. It also baffles me as to why the line ball that was deflected on Saturday eve gets feck all discussion, coz in my opinion it was the biggest injustice of all. Amazing the way Cummins and crew don't focus on that in their articles."
You are spot on. Some of the commentary since the game has been disgraceful. I would take the biggest issue with Brian Gavin who himself had many a bad day in Croke Park. He makes a big issue in his newspaper column about the "square ball" saying the the goal should be disallowed when in fact it was a great call. Cleere was poor for both teams but he does not deserve the abuse he got since.

Groundball (Wexford) - Posts: 122 - 02/08/2019 07:51:44    2219635

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