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The GAA don't own Fitzgerald stadium it belongs to Killarney town. Why in 134 years have Dublin never built a stadium fit for purpose? KingdomBoy1 (Kerry) - Posts: 14092 - 16/07/2019 10:25:17 2211756 Link 0 |
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How do you know? So who owns it is it Killarney Council? Kerry County Board? The GAA? If its sold tomorrow who receives the money and gives permission of the sale. Who payed for it to be built and continually developed? TheUsername (Dublin) - Posts: 4445 - 16/07/2019 10:53:18 2211765 Link 4 |
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Its what i am trying to get to the bottom of in all honesty. Why haven't Dubllin built there own ground. The obvious answer is Croke Park being in Dublin. What im curious about is the GAA own Croke Park. But do the GAA own every ground in the country. If so Dublin would have as much right to treat Corke Park as their home ground as Kerry in Killarney or Galway in Salthill. Now im not saying it is the case that the GAA own every ground in the country and i cant gfind any infor on it. So that why im asking the question? Do the GAA own every ground in the country, are the couty boards charged with their up keep and funded by the GAA. Or are they owned privately by the likes of Killarney or Galway councils. If Killarney was sold tomorrow would the proceeds go to the GAA? Im curious about with as Dublin Croke Park issue and is or is the premise different to other counties really. TheUsername (Dublin) - Posts: 4445 - 16/07/2019 10:59:20 2211767 Link 5 |
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Don't take my word for it but my understanding is that each county is a legal entity and as such would need to declare their assets such as a county ground. Leaving aside any relationship a club who also uses the county ground as their home pitch, a county would be legally entitled to sell that property unless they have drawn loans/grants from HQ which gives HQ a legal say on the matter. But leaving aside the whole legal aspect of it, I am fairly sure that any sale or development of a ground needs approval from Croke Park. A county could be sanctioned within the rules of the association for proceeding without their approval. It seems as though the CCCC can select any venue when needed for a fixture and I'm not so sure a county can refuse access to it - now sure why they'd want to so that theory has probably never been tested. I assume that a county receives a rental income from the use of the facility. BTW, Dublin GAA are at pains to tell us that Parnell Park is their home ground and they only rent Croke Park when needed. Croke Park is for everyone, or so they tell us, but we all know different! Sindar (Roscommon) - Posts: 348 - 16/07/2019 11:08:04 2211774 Link 0 |
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Phase 1 - Provincial champions at home. legendzxix (Kerry) - Posts: 7859 - 16/07/2019 11:10:13 2211778 Link 1 |
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I've had a flick through the GAA Official Guide after posting. Lots of legal lingo in it but it seems as though the GAA own everything basically. Interstingly, if a Club were to wind up all the assests are passed over to that county and are not distributed among the members.
Sindar (Roscommon) - Posts: 348 - 16/07/2019 11:22:39 2211785 Link 1 |
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I honestly dont know, which is why i am asking the question. I think its relevant in the sense that most people think that Dublin use of Corke Park is unfair - i dont necessarily agree or disagree with that. Which is why i am asking the question. If the GAA own the rest of the county grounds and also Croke Park, then as the biggest ground in Dublin, Dublin are as entitled to play their home games there as anyone - the frequency and the make up of that is questionable, no doubt. But its the core right om curious about. So in response to your post, if the grounds around the country are owned by County Boards and County Boards essentially owned by the GAA and are they just regional sections of the GAA or completely separate legal entities. Are county board assets completely separate to the GAA's or are they just like a regional health board under the overall umbrella of the HSE or ministry of health. Are county Boards just regional and management arms of the GAA and answerable to them. If Killarney was sold tomorrow and apartments built, do Kerry county council keep the money, County Board, or does the money go to the GAA. Seems like no body knows really and there is very little information out there on it. People just presume their county own their grounds seems like. Additionally the GAA were able to offer and were chief negotiators in offering stadiums for the recent bid for rugby World cup, that would hint that the grounds lie solely as an asset tin the hand of the GAA. But i dont have enough information to confirm that. Im genuinely curious and open minded to any evidence anyone has. TheUsername (Dublin) - Posts: 4445 - 16/07/2019 11:28:16 2211793 Link 4 |
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Wow that really interesting, thanks for posting that, so essentially the GAA own every ground in the country. There is really no difference in Dublin playing in Croke Park, as Kerry in Killarney or Galway in Salt Hill. Taking frequency and S8's outs of the fairness debates - which i would acknowledged is unfair. But essentially, its the same right as all ground are owned by the GAA. TheUsername (Dublin) - Posts: 4445 - 16/07/2019 11:30:44 2211794 Link 3 |
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I've spent the grant total of about three minutes flicking through the Official Guide on the subject so by no means am I an expert on it. You can read it yourself here https://www.gaa.ie/api/pdfs/image/upload/zcyuuyi0qdzjgwskufww.pdf It seems as though the GAA own everything. That's accoring to the OG which I assume complies with the law of the land. I do know that the GAA Management Committee regularly dicsuss county ground developments and have the final say on what goes and doesn't go. Sindar (Roscommon) - Posts: 348 - 16/07/2019 11:37:07 2211796 Link 1 |
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Killarney town council as far as I know, How come dublin haven't built a stadium fit for purpose in the last 134 years? KingdomBoy1 (Kerry) - Posts: 14092 - 16/07/2019 11:43:48 2211800 Link 0 |
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Why do we need a neutral phase? bubba83 (Dublin) - Posts: 333 - 16/07/2019 12:31:36 2211819 Link 0 |
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The phase 3 game in a neutral venue would rule out double headers as games would need to be played simultaneously as results may determine who gets through. reffingmad (Roscommon) - Posts: 371 - 16/07/2019 12:47:23 2211827 Link 0 |
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Provincial champions qualified directly for the Super 8. Roscommon advanced from Connaught while Connaught runners-up Galway were knocked out in the final qualifying round. Mayo rode their luck against Armagh. The qualifying rounds are fraught with danger. legendzxix (Kerry) - Posts: 7859 - 16/07/2019 12:51:31 2211829 Link 1 |
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Thats great, sound man, thanks a million for posting the link, ill have a good look at it! ;)
TheUsername (Dublin) - Posts: 4445 - 16/07/2019 12:59:26 2211834 Link 1 |
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I think it has to with the sale of corporate boxes and premium level seats which were sold on the basis of having access to football 1/4 finals. Right or wrong, I believe for this reason alone, 1/4 final games will always be on Croke Park in some capacity, no matter the format.
Antifa (Donegal) - Posts: 143 - 16/07/2019 13:07:06 2211839 Link 0 |
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Super 8s fixtures if qualifier counties had home advantage in phase 2 Phase 1 Roscommon v Tyrone, Dr. Hyde Park Dublin v Cork, Croke Park Donegal v Meath, Ballybofey Kerry v Mayo, Killarney Phase 2 Cork v Roscommon, Cork Tyrone v Dublin, Omagh Meath v Kerry, Navan Mayo v Donegal, Castlebar Phase 3 Cork v Tyrone, Neutral venue Croke Park v Roscommon, Neutral venue Mayo v Meath, Neutral venue Kerry v Donegal, Neutral venue EDH (Galway) - Posts: 367 - 16/07/2019 13:18:13 2211845 Link 0 |
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Scrap the super 8s, bring back the old knockout quarter finals, based on last weeks results we would have Tyrone, Dublin, Donegal and Kerry in the semi finals and rightly so. This 3 game league is a rip off for supporters 80 euro for 3 matches when the old quarter final was 35 40 euro and the same end result, Tyrone and Mayo players have to play 5 games in 5 weeks, that causes fatigue and injuries that isn't fair on players no matter what rubbish they say to the media praising the super 8s (I think they secretly hate it). Play the quarter finals in Croke Park and its the old knockout system riverboys (Mayo) - Posts: 1389 - 16/07/2019 13:36:14 2211852 Link 0 |
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Once upon a time Tyrone and Dublin suggested a champions round. Provincial champions would playoff as per this weekend's fixtures; Kerry v Donegal and Croke Park v Roscommon. The winners would advance to the semi-finals. The losers would play the two qualifier winners in the quarter-finals. legendzxix (Kerry) - Posts: 7859 - 16/07/2019 14:00:10 2211875 Link 1 |
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You could argue that it is only since the 1970s that GAA has gained a proper foothold in Dublin. Most teams from Dublin up to the 50s/60s were country lads playing for the county. In fairness they did try to buy land out in Lucan not that long ago with a view to building a larger stadium than Parnell Park but were outbid I think. Thelonesomegoose (Leitrim) - Posts: 204 - 16/07/2019 14:27:53 2211889 Link 0 |
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Agree completely. It's a really strange change of pace to the competition to suddenly throw in a group phase at the quarterfinal stage after the qualifiers were all knockout. Whammo86 (Antrim) - Posts: 4228 - 16/07/2019 15:31:47 2211916 Link 6 |