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Croke Park and the Super 8s have not been a good match to date. There was a poor atmosphere for phase 1 of the Super 8s last year, all 4 games played in Croke Park. The three provincial grounds provided the best atmosphere for phase 1 this year.
Phase 1 losers are in danger of elimination in the phase 2 neutral round. Will this be enough to generate a good atmosphere in Croke Park next weekend.
Phase 1 saw provincial winners play at home. Should phase 2 see qualifier counties play at home? A qualifier team could already be eliminated by the time they host a phase 3 game. Will it be more respectful to ensure phases 1 and 2 see all counties host a game when they are actively involved in the Championship?
legendzxix (Kerry) - Posts: 7859 - 15/07/2019 15:21:53
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Replying To legendzxix: "Croke Park and the Super 8s have not been a good match to date. There was a poor atmosphere for phase 1 of the Super 8s last year, all 4 games played in Croke Park. The three provincial grounds provided the best atmosphere for phase 1 this year.
Phase 1 losers are in danger of elimination in the phase 2 neutral round. Will this be enough to generate a good atmosphere in Croke Park next weekend.
Phase 1 saw provincial winners play at home. Should phase 2 see qualifier counties play at home? A qualifier team could already be eliminated by the time they host a phase 3 game. Will it be more respectful to ensure phases 1 and 2 see all counties host a game when they are actively involved in the Championship?" This again ?
waynoI (Dublin) - Posts: 13650 - 15/07/2019 16:22:34
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Replying To legendzxix: "Croke Park and the Super 8s have not been a good match to date. There was a poor atmosphere for phase 1 of the Super 8s last year, all 4 games played in Croke Park. The three provincial grounds provided the best atmosphere for phase 1 this year.
Phase 1 losers are in danger of elimination in the phase 2 neutral round. Will this be enough to generate a good atmosphere in Croke Park next weekend.
Phase 1 saw provincial winners play at home. Should phase 2 see qualifier counties play at home? A qualifier team could already be eliminated by the time they host a phase 3 game. Will it be more respectful to ensure phases 1 and 2 see all counties host a game when they are actively involved in the Championship?" The hurling had cracking atmosphere. What constitutes an atmosphere? I have been in an empty stadium and being on tender hooks. Maybe a tight game which can go either way. Forgone conclusions tend to be flat. But Cork vs Dublin was very enjoyable, Kilkenny vs Cork was cracking game.
arock (Dublin) - Posts: 4897 - 15/07/2019 16:53:51
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Replying To legendzxix: "Croke Park and the Super 8s have not been a good match to date. There was a poor atmosphere for phase 1 of the Super 8s last year, all 4 games played in Croke Park. The three provincial grounds provided the best atmosphere for phase 1 this year.
Phase 1 losers are in danger of elimination in the phase 2 neutral round. Will this be enough to generate a good atmosphere in Croke Park next weekend.
Phase 1 saw provincial winners play at home. Should phase 2 see qualifier counties play at home? A qualifier team could already be eliminated by the time they host a phase 3 game. Will it be more respectful to ensure phases 1 and 2 see all counties host a game when they are actively involved in the Championship?" Could be good and that would leave the GAA free to hold the crokepark game on the long weekend just like before.
But the money men will say no n
KingdomBoy1 (Kerry) - Posts: 14092 - 15/07/2019 17:27:35
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Was Croke Park a vanity project? Grab the money when it was an offer.
Its rarely and almost never filled, even in the misty eyed days before we destroyed the game it was never full.
Its full for the football final and some hurling finals and thats it. Maybe the association never really needed an 80k plus stadium.
Seemed the only idea of what to do with it away from finals, was stick Dublin in there sell the corporate boxes and premo seats and hope for the best.
TheUsername (Dublin) - Posts: 4445 - 15/07/2019 17:55:03
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Tyrone, Cork, Meath and Mayo were all away in phase 1. It would seem fairer for them to have a home game in phase 2. It's avoids any team having a home game after championship elimination.
legendzxix (Kerry) - Posts: 7859 - 15/07/2019 18:20:01
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Replying To TheUsername: "Was Croke Park a vanity project? Grab the money when it was an offer.
Its rarely and almost never filled, even in the misty eyed days before we destroyed the game it was never full.
Its full for the football final and some hurling finals and thats it. Maybe the association never really needed an 80k plus stadium.
Seemed the only idea of what to do with it away from finals, was stick Dublin in there sell the corporate boxes and premo seats and hope for the best." The capacity of Croke Park used to be around 64k which was ideal for a country the size of Ireland. The 90s saw what transpired to be a temporary surge in attendances driven by the success of Ulster teams in football, the rivalry between Dublin, Kildare and Meath in Leinster, and the emergence of Clare, Limerick, Wexford and Offaly in hurling, and the GAA increased the capacity to over 80k on the back of it. The thing is just too big.
ballydalane (Kilkenny) - Posts: 1246 - 15/07/2019 19:00:18
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Replying To TheUsername: "Was Croke Park a vanity project? Grab the money when it was an offer.
Its rarely and almost never filled, even in the misty eyed days before we destroyed the game it was never full.
Its full for the football final and some hurling finals and thats it. Maybe the association never really needed an 80k plus stadium.
Seemed the only idea of what to do with it away from finals, was stick Dublin in there sell the corporate boxes and premo seats and hope for the best." They've no problem taking concert promoter's cash for sellouts. Not so quick to get more into plenty of empty seats for hurling and football, a bit lazy to do so. They should incentivise counties in involved to find ways of promoting games and making them more appealing to get higher attendances and give them a cut of the extra money raised. Also boost the local economy more to have bigger attendances.
GreenandRed (Mayo) - Posts: 7350 - 15/07/2019 19:01:09
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Replying To legendzxix: "Tyrone, Cork, Meath and Mayo were all away in phase 1. It would seem fairer for them to have a home game in phase 2. It's avoids any team having a home game after championship elimination." good point.
offyertrolley (Leitrim) - Posts: 141 - 15/07/2019 19:05:33
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Replying To TheUsername: "Was Croke Park a vanity project? Grab the money when it was an offer.
Its rarely and almost never filled, even in the misty eyed days before we destroyed the game it was never full.
Its full for the football final and some hurling finals and thats it. Maybe the association never really needed an 80k plus stadium.
Seemed the only idea of what to do with it away from finals, was stick Dublin in there sell the corporate boxes and premo seats and hope for the best." No, right size IMO. You have to remember that GAA top games is only one source of revenue. Concerts, conferences, museum tours, sky tours etc. It's all a package and best to future proof the capacity. Ticket prices are a problem though. They need to make the product more affordable.
Joxer (Dublin) - Posts: 4700 - 15/07/2019 19:38:17
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Replying To legendzxix: "Tyrone, Cork, Meath and Mayo were all away in phase 1. It would seem fairer for them to have a home game in phase 2. It's avoids any team having a home game after championship elimination." Yeah very fair observation.
To be honest I hope they do just do away with the super 8s though.
Whammo86 (Antrim) - Posts: 4230 - 15/07/2019 19:59:08
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Thomas O Se said that the provincial winners should get all home ties in the super 8's. Honestly it's like he just blurts out stuff and thinks whatever he says is right without bothering to do some simple maths. How the hell could Kerry play Donegal at home and Donegal be playing at home at the same time?
The qualifying teams don't deserve a home tie, my god what's with rte pundits?
jonno (Kildare) - Posts: 260 - 15/07/2019 20:03:11
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Replying To GreenandRed: "They've no problem taking concert promoter's cash for sellouts. Not so quick to get more into plenty of empty seats for hurling and football, a bit lazy to do so. They should incentivise counties in involved to find ways of promoting games and making them more appealing to get higher attendances and give them a cut of the extra money raised. Also boost the local economy more to have bigger attendances." It's an amazing facility, but how fitting it is as an All year round fit for purpose GAA ground is debatable.
It's pulling in 30-40 million toward GAA coffers annually, that's corporate boxes, sponsorship, premo tickets, concerts, conference facilities etc.
There is big money being spent on the redevelopment, with additional commercial and residential income the driver.
It ticks a lot of boxes bar, your day to day GAA games apart from a final, possibly semis or a provincial final if counties had a decent population.
Back in the day, Meath and Kildare locally would put a dent in it, we always held our own, the death of Leinster has been a blow to filling it, as has the loss of knock out, really any team with serious ambitions won't be knocked out until the S8s at the earliest.
The football championship has been high quality this year, some really expansive stuff, crowds just seem to be staying away, the GAA is in a real competitive arena in the entertainment sector these days, this often get over looked, there is a hell of a lot more going on now then there was even three years ago. If you felt like it, you could have seen the Eagles, Bob Dylan, hit a festival and took in Coppers the musical in the last week alone. Before you consider sport.
The entertainment industry is tough to turn coin in these days in a crowded market.
TheUsername (Dublin) - Posts: 4445 - 15/07/2019 20:07:56
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Super 8s fixtures if qualifier counties had home advantage in phase 2
Phase 1
Roscommon v Tyrone, Dr. Hyde Park
Dublin v Cork, Croke Park
Donegal v Meath, Ballybofey
Kerry v Mayo, Killarney
Phase 2
Cork v Roscommon, Cork
Tyrone v Dublin, Omagh
Meath v Kerry, Navan
Mayo v Donegal, Castlebar
Phase 3
Cork v Tyrone, Neutral venue
Croke Park v Roscommon, Neutral venue
Mayo v Meath, Neutral venue
Kerry v Donegal, Neutral venue
legendzxix (Kerry) - Posts: 7859 - 15/07/2019 21:46:25
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Honest question for Dublin posters, why In 134 years of the GAA did Dublin GAA never build a 30/40,000 capacity stadium fit for purpose?
KingdomBoy1 (Kerry) - Posts: 14092 - 15/07/2019 22:14:58
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Replying To legendzxix: "Super 8s fixtures if qualifier counties had home advantage in phase 2
Phase 1
Roscommon v Tyrone, Dr. Hyde Park
Dublin v Cork, Croke Park
Donegal v Meath, Ballybofey
Kerry v Mayo, Killarney
Phase 2
Cork v Roscommon, Cork
Tyrone v Dublin, Omagh
Meath v Kerry, Navan
Mayo v Donegal, Castlebar
Phase 3
Cork v Tyrone, Neutral venue
Croke Park v Roscommon, Neutral venue
Mayo v Meath, Neutral venue
Kerry v Donegal, Neutral venue" Super 8's fixtures if Provincial champions had home advantage in phase 1 & 2 with 3rd phase at neutral venue. I think this is what Tomas O'Shea was suggesting.
I would also suggest this
Points for a win should be 3
Points for a draw should be 1
Phase 1
Roscommon v Tyrone, Dr. Hyde Park
Dublin v Cork, Dublin venue
Donegal v Meath, Ballybofey
Kerry v Mayo, Killarney
Phase 2
Roscommon v Cork, Dr Hyde Park
Dublin v Tyrone, Dublin venue
Kerry v Meath, Killarney
Donegal v Mayo, Ballybofey
Phase 3
Cork v Tyrone, Neutral venue
Dublin v Roscommon, Neutral venue
Mayo v Meath, Neutral venue
Kerry v Donegal, Neutral venue
It rewards the teams that wins the Provincial championship.
EDH (Galway) - Posts: 367 - 15/07/2019 22:18:23
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Replying To TheUsername: "It's an amazing facility, but how fitting it is as an All year round fit for purpose GAA ground is debatable.
It's pulling in 30-40 million toward GAA coffers annually, that's corporate boxes, sponsorship, premo tickets, concerts, conference facilities etc.
There is big money being spent on the redevelopment, with additional commercial and residential income the driver.
It ticks a lot of boxes bar, your day to day GAA games apart from a final, possibly semis or a provincial final if counties had a decent population.
Back in the day, Meath and Kildare locally would put a dent in it, we always held our own, the death of Leinster has been a blow to filling it, as has the loss of knock out, really any team with serious ambitions won't be knocked out until the S8s at the earliest.
The football championship has been high quality this year, some really expansive stuff, crowds just seem to be staying away, the GAA is in a real competitive arena in the entertainment sector these days, this often get over looked, there is a hell of a lot more going on now then there was even three years ago. If you felt like it, you could have seen the Eagles, Bob Dylan, hit a festival and took in Coppers the musical in the last week alone. Before you consider sport.
The entertainment industry is tough to turn coin in these days in a crowded market." There must be also be a changing ratio between match attendances and the increased number of live games on TV and online and different options on viewing live games. In 2019 cars and roads have never been better so arguably games are more accessible than before.
GreenandRed (Mayo) - Posts: 7350 - 15/07/2019 22:41:12
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I'm curious about the ownership of GAA ground around the country.
Let's say Dublin have two grounds in Dublin, Parnel Park and Croke Park. Croke Park in the biggest GAA stadium in Dublin. Now most counties play their home games in their counties biggest stadium. Kerry in Killarney as opposed to Tralee, Galway in Salthill as opposed to Tuam.
Who owns these grounds is it the county board or the GAA? Are the two one and the same?
For example if Kerry or Galway county boards decided to sell Killarney or Salthill tomorrow could they do It, or would have to seek the permission from the GAA?
I'm honestly curious if anyone knows, not much info on it out there.
TheUsername (Dublin) - Posts: 4445 - 15/07/2019 22:43:12
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Replying To KingdomBoy1: "Honest question for Dublin posters, why In 134 years of the GAA did Dublin GAA never build a 30/40,000 capacity stadium fit for purpose?" Honest question my eye....this is a leading question if ever I saw one.
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Replying To TheUsername: "I'm curious about the ownership of GAA ground around the country.
Let's say Dublin have two grounds in Dublin, Parnel Park and Croke Park. Croke Park in the biggest GAA stadium in Dublin. Now most counties play their home games in their counties biggest stadium. Kerry in Killarney as opposed to Tralee, Galway in Salthill as opposed to Tuam.
Who owns these grounds is it the county board or the GAA? Are the two one and the same?
For example if Kerry or Galway county boards decided to sell Killarney or Salthill tomorrow could they do It, or would have to seek the permission from the GAA?
I'm honestly curious if anyone knows, not much info on it out there." Should Tyrone, Cork, Meath and Mayo have their home fixtures on this weekend in phase 2? Should the neutral round be at phase 3?
legendzxix (Kerry) - Posts: 7859 - 16/07/2019 08:22:16
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