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Those Peter Harte Black Cards

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Too much of a coincidence for one player to pick up three of these cards in the one championship. And Harte is not a dirty player. Were they deserved? Are referees having a poke at Mickey through his nephew? Is Peter back mouthing to referees? Or perhaps his tackles are on the lazy side? If the Black against Cavan was a Black then I know nothing about football. Such decisions will put players off from playing the game. An interesting link on the main page.

http://hoganstand.com/Article/Index/301549

Triple H (Meath) - Posts: 551 - 09/07/2019 15:30:42    2208497

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Replying To Triple H:  "Too much of a coincidence for one player to pick up three of these cards in the one championship. And Harte is not a dirty player. Were they deserved? Are referees having a poke at Mickey through his nephew? Is Peter back mouthing to referees? Or perhaps his tackles are on the lazy side? If the Black against Cavan was a Black then I know nothing about football. Such decisions will put players off from playing the game. An interesting link on the main page.

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The one against Donegal was definitely a black. Not sure what Mickey Harte was crying about after that game. He stuck his leg out deliberately so it's hardly a shock. Didn't see the other ones.

Donegal_abroad (Donegal) - Posts: 1321 - 09/07/2019 16:03:05    2208518

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Very talented player but he has this in his game. He is far from the dirtiest player around but he has lapses where he commits stupid fouls. I havent seen all three but two are clear black cards IMO.

The issue I would see is general and applies to all cases...why punish some and not others?

Gator (Monaghan) - Posts: 238 - 09/07/2019 16:18:05    2208525

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If the cards are rescinded and he plays against Roscommon he will be closely watched by Deegan. First leg out and it'll be black card again.

The_Biler (Westmeath) - Posts: 84 - 09/07/2019 16:36:06    2208532

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Peter has a tendency to stick his foot out & that has cost him 2 black cards & it is up to himself to stop doing it.

The third one was very dodgy.

MuckrossHead (Donegal) - Posts: 5028 - 09/07/2019 16:40:57    2208533

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The one against Donegal which I seen on tv was fair enough, there looked to be a bit of deliberate intent in that but having seen the other 2 live and replayed on tv I can't see how they were classed as black cards.

The aggression in the Tyrone defensive approach is about fine margins so open to individual judgement calls by refs but if all 3 of those incidents are upheld upon review as justifying black cards then we could be looking at an era of 5 or 6 black cards per game.

downredhand (Tyrone) - Posts: 567 - 09/07/2019 16:47:45    2208536

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There is something seriously wrong with the rules if any of those 3 challenges deserve a player to be sent off the field. If anything you call a couple of them clumsy challenges in which potentially a yellow card should be issued. But there was nothing sinister in any challenge - he wasn't trying to slow down play, prevent a runner off the ball, or stop a scoring opportunity. They were lazy tackles end of and certainly not the cynical play the black card was brought in to prevent.

You can slow them down and argue for a trip but if you are issuing black cards for those kind of challenges it will get to the stage were players cant put in a hit or a tackle at all without the risk of getting lined.

A Another (None) - Posts: 193 - 09/07/2019 16:50:15    2208538

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The 2 I have seen against Donegal and Cavan were definitely black cards.

Can't lead with the foot in a tackle and avoid black cards.

carlovia (None) - Posts: 1517 - 09/07/2019 16:51:20    2208539

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Certainly the one against Cavan was never a black card.

But another point. How can it be correct to have suspensions for 3 cards when teams don't play an equal number of matches. For example Cork to get to round 4 of the Qualifiers only played 2 matches whereas Tyrone played 5 matches to get to the same stage. You ain't going to pick up 3 black cards if you don't play 3 matches.

tyroneed (Tyrone) - Posts: 753 - 09/07/2019 17:18:24    2208553

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Similar tackle technique to Paul Scholes ;)

HighKings (Meath) - Posts: 271 - 09/07/2019 17:22:01    2208555

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Any word on when will know if appeal is successful. It should be coz that one against Cavan especially was a poor decision by ref

Galwayjoe86 (Galway) - Posts: 258 - 09/07/2019 17:25:17    2208560

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Not one of them merit a black card time for refs to get some help with video ref etc

Dellboypolecat (Tyrone) - Posts: 15069 - 09/07/2019 17:43:09    2208569

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What is exactly is the author of the article getting at by suggesting what has happened is more than a coincidence? That it's a referee-led agenda against Tyrone?

greatpoint (USA) - Posts: 427 - 09/07/2019 18:11:21    2208577

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Could be the most blatant cards ever and Conspiracy Mickey would still be crying.

Samsforthehills (Donegal) - Posts: 1072 - 09/07/2019 18:36:40    2208587

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I don't know what Tyrone are crying about, sure wasn't it the GAA's response to Sean Cavanagh's deliberate pull downs of Monaghan and Meath forwards who were in scoring positions that got the black card introduced in the first place all be it after Joe Brolly's protests.

MillerX (Meath) - Posts: 1066 - 09/07/2019 19:24:07    2208602

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Replying To Dellboypolecat:  "Not one of them merit a black card time for refs to get some help with video ref etc"
So you're saying the refs haven't a clue what they're doing or they're targeting Harte?
You shouldn't be let near a field.

catch22 (USA) - Posts: 2148 - 09/07/2019 19:40:22    2208611

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Replying To Gator:  "Very talented player but he has this in his game. He is far from the dirtiest player around but he has lapses where he commits stupid fouls. I havent seen all three but two are clear black cards IMO.

The issue I would see is general and applies to all cases...why punish some and not others?"
Yes. ..,referees are a bit harsh on him. Conversely ...other players have got away with eye gouging etc

Rockies (Cork) - Posts: 947 - 09/07/2019 19:53:40    2208615

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Can he appeal the first two blacks? I thought there was a three day limit in which to appeal or am I missing something here?

The article linked in the first post here is completely biased by whoever wrote it. I didn't see the Longford black but the Cavan and Donegal ones could have been yellow but blacks were also justified. Maybe he is being singled out but that won't wash in any appeal

Sindar (Roscommon) - Posts: 348 - 09/07/2019 19:54:26    2208616

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Replying To MillerX:  "I don't know what Tyrone are crying about, sure wasn't it the GAA's response to Sean Cavanagh's deliberate pull downs of Monaghan and Meath forwards who were in scoring positions that got the black card introduced in the first place all be it after Joe Brolly's protests."
May want to check the facts there. The black card was proposed before Sean's tackle and was coming into play regardless .

kevin03 (Tyrone) - Posts: 276 - 09/07/2019 20:10:09    2208624

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Replying To MillerX:  "I don't know what Tyrone are crying about, sure wasn't it the GAA's response to Sean Cavanagh's deliberate pull downs of Monaghan and Meath forwards who were in scoring positions that got the black card introduced in the first place all be it after Joe Brolly's protests."
No it wasn't. The black card was approved in March 2013 to be introduced in Jan 2014. The Cavanagh/Mc Manus incident didn't occur until later that year,perhaps August. But the black card was already on the way and had nothing to do with that incident.

seanie_boy (Tyrone) - Posts: 4235 - 09/07/2019 20:12:06    2208625

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