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I'm not cutting off too many in Tier 2. My idea for Tier 2 is two regional groups: West Group: 2 Munster and 2 Connaught. Top 2 in the group play each other in the semi-finals. Semi-final winner promoted to their province. East Group: 3 Leinster and 1 Ulster. Top 2 in the group play each other in the semi-finals. Semi-final winner promoted to their province. West semi-final winner v East semi-final winner in the Tier 2 final. Tier 2 winner joins the All-Ireland qualifiers of the current year. It's a variant of the McDonagh Cup that will suit football. My suggestion sees 1/3 from each province and the Tier 2 winner advance to the final 12. legendzxix (Kerry) - Posts: 7821 - 08/08/2019 10:25:45 2222598 Link 0 |
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The provincial champions won't agree to be seeded against eachother so a champions round is a dead end.
Hawkeye9212 (Donegal) - Posts: 266 - 08/08/2019 10:40:19 2222606 Link 0 |
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Down uses the same format for their football championship."]It's better than the super 8s definitely. It's still a bit weird to have another back door added in to the original back door. It all keeps adding gives for a small few counties rather than fixing things for everyone. There'll still be the fixture congestion come the latter stages that we're seeing now. I think it's just another half measure."]I'd rather not have the Super 8s or another backdoor but here we are. As for all the proposals. Most aren't realistic. A two tier championship will more than likely fail. Too much opposition and a lack of interest from fans. A knockout championship with a backdoor in place to the quarter-finals. Retain the provincials but separate them from the All-Ireland series."]A two tier championship will more than likely fail. Too much opposition and a lack of interest from fans. I don't agree with this statement. I think the tier 2 championship from the GAA would fail. I don't feel a properly run league competition would fail. I also think the important thing is whether tier 1 would work. If tier 1 works it then elevates the importance of tier 2 by being the route to the top tier. You look at the Championship playoffs in English soccer. They're important because they're the way to get to the Premier League. I think the tier 1 of 2 groups of 8 teams would work. There's way less chance of dead rubbers in this format than the super 8s for instance. So 2 groups of 8. 1st to semifinals, 2nd and 3rd to quarterfinals. 3 in total relegated. Bottom team in each group plus a loser of a playoff between the 7th placed teams. After round 6 teams will have anywhere from 0-12 points 0 or 1 point: probably last in the group but may have outside chances of finishing 7th or even 6th. 2-4 points right in a relegation dog fight. 6th, 7th and 8th places all in play. 5-6 points least likely to have much to play for. A team on 5 points may not be mathematically safe, a team on 6 points may not be out just yet, though. 7-9 points Well in the hunt for a top 3 spot 10-12 points very likely to qualify, top spot may not be decided yet. That's an exciting competition. There's also evidence from the hurling championship that group games are popular. The attendances are up on similar knockout games from 2 years ago. I just think football needs to get its teams playing more meaningful games. Look at these 2 possible tier 1 groups. Dublin, Mayo, Donegal, Roscommon, Armagh, Kildare, Cork, Laois Kerry, Tyrone, Galway, Monaghan, Meath, Cavan, Clare, Fermanagh I think you'd have a lot of exciting games in there. The games being played around the country and how home advantage plays into it could be interesting. Take Donegal they could have a season of Dublin, Armagh, Kildare at home then the other 4 teams on the road. How would Dublin fair going up to Ballybofey? How would going down to Cork affect them. I just think you're creating a competition that allows interest and stories to generate. It's also pretty much the easiest competition to understand that you'll read on here and is very fair. Whammo86 (Antrim) - Posts: 4207 - 08/08/2019 12:30:00 2222641 Link 5 |
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I think you might be misunderstanding the concept. The advantage of being in the Champions Round is that the winners advances to the semi-finals and the losers enter the quarter-finals to take on a qualifier county. This has been a suggestion by Dublin and Tyrone. There is strong merit in it. legendzxix (Kerry) - Posts: 7821 - 08/08/2019 13:03:34 2222653 Link 0 |
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@Whammo86 legendzxix (Kerry) - Posts: 7821 - 08/08/2019 13:09:04 2222655 Link 0 |
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I think you might be misunderstanding the concept. The advantage of being in the Champions Round is that the winners advances to the semi-finals and the losers enter the quarter-finals to take on a qualifier county. This has been a suggestion by Dublin and Tyrone. There is strong merit in it."]Provincial champions get home advantage in the first Super 8 games. They won't give it up. I don't think they should be seeded against in the first round. Hawkeye9212 (Donegal) - Posts: 266 - 08/08/2019 13:29:45 2222661 Link 0 |
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I don't think that's important. To be honest I think the hurling works in spite of its Provincial based make up. Structurally there are big problems with the hurling format caused directly by the Provincial based nature of it. The unfair promotion/relegation situation is a major issue. The exclusivity of only 1 place available for a non top 9 team. The potential advantage that could be earned from being relegated to the Joe McDonagh. If Kerry were to win the McDonagh for instance, would it be in say Waterford's interest to be relegated to get an easier path to an All Ireland. A situation like that has the potential to undermine the very integrity of the competition. The hurling has worked because there's teams around the same standard playing regular games against one another. I think the competition was put together badly and it's only because the teams are evenly matched that things have held together. I think the politics that created a lot of the bad aspects of the competition are going to in the end harm it badly. I actually think hurling would do well to just go to 2 groups of 6, top 3 in each to the playoffs, 6th place in each to the relegation playoff. Whammo86 (Antrim) - Posts: 4207 - 08/08/2019 13:49:46 2222670 Link 4 |
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I think you might be misunderstanding the concept. The advantage of being in the Champions Round is that the winners advances to the semi-finals and the losers enter the quarter-finals to take on a qualifier county. This has been a suggestion by Dublin and Tyrone. There is strong merit in it."]Provincial champions get home advantage in the first Super 8 games. They won't give it up. I don't think they should be seeded against in the first round."]Your making a good point about the Super 8 home advantage. Killarney and Ballybofey were buzzing. It's a positive from the Super 8. It's where a Super 16 giving provincial champions 3 home games and all other teams 1 home game might suit? legendzxix (Kerry) - Posts: 7821 - 08/08/2019 14:00:26 2222675 Link 0 |
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I think you might be misunderstanding the concept. The advantage of being in the Champions Round is that the winners advances to the semi-finals and the losers enter the quarter-finals to take on a qualifier county. This has been a suggestion by Dublin and Tyrone. There is strong merit in it."]Provincial champions get home advantage in the first Super 8 games. They won't give it up. I don't think they should be seeded against in the first round."]Provincial champions would be a round ahead of the qualifiers. The losing Provincial champions after the championship round play the 2 winning qualifier round 5 teams. The Provincial champions get a much more favourable situation this way than any other way. Whammo86 (Antrim) - Posts: 4207 - 08/08/2019 14:05:02 2222678 Link 3 |
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Hawkeye9212's suggestion does have very strong merit. There is a lot to be said for a format that guarantees the provincial winners a home game in the first round of the All-Ireland Championship. legendzxix (Kerry) - Posts: 7821 - 08/08/2019 18:04:36 2222763 Link 0 |