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Replying To legendzxix:  "I agree that amalgamations might be required as well:

MUNSTER:
Cork
North Munster (Limerick & Clare)
East Munster (Tipperary & Waterford)
Kerry

CONNAUGHT:
Galway
Mayo
North Connaught (Roscommon, Sligo & Leitrim)
London

ULSTER:
North Ulster (Derry & Antrim)
East Ulster (Down & Armagh)
South Ulster (Cavan, Monaghan & Fermanagh)
West Ulster (Donegal & Tyrone)

LEINSTER:
North Dublin
South Dublin
North Leinster (Meath, Westmeath, Longford & Louth)
South Leinster (Kildare, Laois, Wicklow, Carlow, Wexford & Kilkenny)"
Definitely. It's easy to throw out the aul split Dublin line. Maybe it's time for a real proper debate about to overhaul the whole structure. A bit of radical thought. You've thrown out an idea there and that's a start.

CornAghais91 (Dublin) - Posts: 126 - 02/08/2019 20:53:11    2219893

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I have to say this weekend is not a great advertisement for the Gaa's ill-conceived Super 8s project. You have 4 games but only 1 of any real interest, which for me, should absolutely not happen at this stage of a supposedly prestigious championship competition.

Group 1, you have the genuinely intriguing fixture of Donegal v Mayo but that's about it for the long weekend. While I have personal interest in Meath v Kerry, how many viewers outside of those 2 countys will tune in to watch that game? Or does anybody truly believe Kerry are in danger of losing and exiting the championship if results go against them?

Group 2, 2 dead rubbers, that it all.

Ps, bring back the All-Ireland Quarter Finals quick!

Htaem (Meath) - Posts: 8322 - 03/08/2019 09:18:39    2219981

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Plain and simply it's time to end this farce that is the "super 8" up there now with the black card as another failed experiment.

A cynical ploy by the gaa to extract as much money as possible from the match going public and have something to sell to Sky has been an abject failure from the get go.

The final nail in the coffin, plain and simply just look at the team selections for both Tyrone and Dublin for this weekend, a championship match in August between 2 of the biggest names in the game and it's being treated like an early January pre national league challenge match.

Goodbye and good riddance hopefully.

tearintom (Wexford) - Posts: 833 - 03/08/2019 09:38:21    2219984

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Replying To tearintom:  "Plain and simply it's time to end this farce that is the "super 8" up there now with the black card as another failed experiment.

A cynical ploy by the gaa to extract as much money as possible from the match going public and have something to sell to Sky has been an abject failure from the get go.

The final nail in the coffin, plain and simply just look at the team selections for both Tyrone and Dublin for this weekend, a championship match in August between 2 of the biggest names in the game and it's being treated like an early January pre national league challenge match.

Goodbye and good riddance hopefully."
Could not agree more with all points made here

Donegal_abroad (Donegal) - Posts: 840 - 03/08/2019 10:24:21    2219996

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Replying To tearintom:  "Plain and simply it's time to end this farce that is the "super 8" up there now with the black card as another failed experiment.

A cynical ploy by the gaa to extract as much money as possible from the match going public and have something to sell to Sky has been an abject failure from the get go.

The final nail in the coffin, plain and simply just look at the team selections for both Tyrone and Dublin for this weekend, a championship match in August between 2 of the biggest names in the game and it's being treated like an early January pre national league challenge match.

Goodbye and good riddance hopefully."
Three useless matches out of four and Whelan wants to extend the lunacy to ten. Absolutely not let us return to All Ireland quarter finals and the sooner the better and get over this farce.

jobber (Westmeath) - Posts: 736 - 03/08/2019 11:30:58    2220013

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I'm not a fan of it

cuchulainn35 (Armagh) - Posts: 1557 - 03/08/2019 11:39:54    2220018

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Replying To Whammo86:  "We've had our disagreements on the Dublin funding threads but I do think you're spot on here."
Yes totally agree...the so called super 8s are a complete joke..all for the benefit of pay per view TV..and irony of irony the only game worth watching this weekend is not available on TV to more than half the country..pathetic!

mayotyroneman (Tyrone) - Posts: 1757 - 03/08/2019 14:02:13    2220073

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Replying To mayotyroneman:  "Yes totally agree...the so called super 8s are a complete joke..all for the benefit of pay per view TV..and irony of irony the only game worth watching this weekend is not available on TV to more than half the country..pathetic!"
Questioned has to be asked..why was Dublin and Tyrone a 3rd round game.
At least if had they met earlier then both groups would have went to the final day.

BeJasus (UK) - Posts: 224 - 03/08/2019 15:56:36    2220098

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Replying To MuckrossHead:  "If you think for one minute that Mickey Harte is going to put out a B team to take a whooping from Dublin in Omagh then you don't know much about either Harte or Tyrone people."
Do you still believe this?

joeteor (Donegal) - Posts: 136 - 03/08/2019 17:12:56    2220118

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Killarney, Dr Hyde Park, Ballybofey, Navan, McHale Park and Omagh have all been great host venues for the Super 8s.

The one week gap from the round robin to semi-final is too short. Under the current structure they might be better off running the round robin over 3 consecutive weekends and then allow a 2 week gap to the semi-finals.

legendzxix (Kerry) - Posts: 6261 - 04/08/2019 18:10:08    2220721

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Must be the end of the Super 8 nonsense now.

icehonesty (Wexford) - Posts: 2444 - 04/08/2019 18:40:30    2220740

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The super 8s have been a disaster. Bring back the normal quarter finals, with winning provincial champions having the home advantage.

Thelonesomegoose (Leitrim) - Posts: 204 - 04/08/2019 18:43:03    2220741

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How the final eight rank in my view.

1st Dublin - remain the best and team to beat.
2nd Tyrone - last years finalists and I think will reach the final again.
3rd Kerry - big improvement on last year but I feel their loose marking defence will cost them a final place
4th Mayo - semi final spot and league champions and can be pleased by the progress made from last year
5th Donegal - unchanged from last year
6th Roscommon - Connacht champions and had away wins in Cork Salthill and Cork this summer which is big progress on last year and with more improvement they are well capable of jumping up to 4th next year.
7th - Meath - promoted to div 1 and reached the last 8 of the championship. Gave a decent account of themselves in all 3 super 8 games just lacking the fitness for full 70 minutes
8th Cork - Real black mark for them was falling to division 3 but as they showed in the championship aren't a div 3 team and should stroll through that division next year. U20s winning the AI highlights the talent in that county and it needs to be nurtured now.

Yondu (UK) - Posts: 302 - 04/08/2019 19:29:13    2220783

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Replying To Thelonesomegoose:  "The super 8s have been a disaster. Bring back the normal quarter finals, with winning provincial champions having the home advantage."
This was the original intention. Provincial winners were to be given a home quarter-final. County Clare at the time got enough support to scupper the home quarter-final motion.

legendzxix (Kerry) - Posts: 6261 - 04/08/2019 19:40:53    2220804

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While it was really poor this year, my only fear is that the next evolution of the Championship maybe worse!

While I'm a firm believer that a Tiered approach the right one for our Primary Competition, I think its implementation will just finish up being the a competition for teams who have lost in another competition - "A losers Competition"

Team sports are played all over the world, and none of them have the same level of debate about their structure as we do. Maybe we can learn from them!

Ban (Westmeath) - Posts: 1050 - 04/08/2019 20:05:39    2220812

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Replying To Yondu:  "How the final eight rank in my view.

1st Dublin - remain the best and team to beat.
2nd Tyrone - last years finalists and I think will reach the final again.
3rd Kerry - big improvement on last year but I feel their loose marking defence will cost them a final place
4th Mayo - semi final spot and league champions and can be pleased by the progress made from last year
5th Donegal - unchanged from last year
6th Roscommon - Connacht champions and had away wins in Cork Salthill and Cork this summer which is big progress on last year and with more improvement they are well capable of jumping up to 4th next year.
7th - Meath - promoted to div 1 and reached the last 8 of the championship. Gave a decent account of themselves in all 3 super 8 games just lacking the fitness for full 70 minutes
8th Cork - Real black mark for them was falling to division 3 but as they showed in the championship aren't a div 3 team and should stroll through that division next year. U20s winning the AI highlights the talent in that county and it needs to be nurtured now."
Hard to disagree with any of that.

I'd say Tyrone v Kerry will be a cracker next week.

Hope Mayo can put it up to the Dubs but they'd need to have their best performance of the last 2 seasons to stand any chance.

Whammo86 (Antrim) - Posts: 2907 - 04/08/2019 20:06:05    2220814

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Replying To BeJasus:  "Questioned has to be asked..why was Dublin and Tyrone a 3rd round game.
At least if had they met earlier then both groups would have went to the final day."
For the same reason that England vs Belgium was the last group match in the last year's World Cup. Both had qualified and played their 2nd teams, much like today's game, but that's what the draw had provided.
It's a round robin group stage. In all sports where 2 advance from 4, there's a chance of dead rubbers in the last game.
The Croke Park games were the second games in both groups, while the provincial winners were guaranteed home advantage in the first game. For this reason, Dublin vs Tyrone couldn't be the second game. Let's not forget that Tyrone are a qualifier team in this group. The GAA can't just swap around the fixtures at the last minute, once they know the make up of each group.

WanPintWin (Galway) - Posts: 677 - 04/08/2019 20:38:27    2220836

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Donegal lose one game all year and they are gone.

Mayo and Tyrone lose 2 and both advance.

Mad system too

IamDonegal (Donegal) - Posts: 134 - 04/08/2019 22:20:40    2220909

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Replying To WanPintWin:  "For the same reason that England vs Belgium was the last group match in the last year's World Cup. Both had qualified and played their 2nd teams, much like today's game, but that's what the draw had provided.
It's a round robin group stage. In all sports where 2 advance from 4, there's a chance of dead rubbers in the last game.
The Croke Park games were the second games in both groups, while the provincial winners were guaranteed home advantage in the first game. For this reason, Dublin vs Tyrone couldn't be the second game. Let's not forget that Tyrone are a qualifier team in this group. The GAA can't just swap around the fixtures at the last minute, once they know the make up of each group."
Its was obvious they needed to be drawn against other in either R1 or R 2 to avoid a dead rubber math,

Even Tomas o Shea said it on the sunday game.

BeJasus (UK) - Posts: 224 - 04/08/2019 23:03:53    2220928

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Replying To Ban:  "While it was really poor this year, my only fear is that the next evolution of the Championship maybe worse!

While I'm a firm believer that a Tiered approach the right one for our Primary Competition, I think its implementation will just finish up being the a competition for teams who have lost in another competition - "A losers Competition"

Team sports are played all over the world, and none of them have the same level of debate about their structure as we do. Maybe we can learn from them!"
Can't see a lot of change happening unless the Provincials are acrapped or seperated from the All-Ireland.

Hawkeye9212 (Donegal) - Posts: 263 - 04/08/2019 23:35:37    2220942

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