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Replying To Liamwalkinstown:  "I think no Dubs game should be in Croke Park before Leinster Final. I think Dubs should only have one home game in super 8s. If the GAA can't see the chasm they are facilitating then maybe a boycott possibly IS a good idea.

We are good enough to beat anyone, anywhere.
We would beat Meath in Navan, Kildare in Newbridge. We would beat Kerry in Killarney or Donegal in Ballybofey.

Get the Dubs out of Croker bar the biggest games.

Level the field. Kill the excuses"
Have you been hacked? Very refreshing to read a post from a Dub who can see past his own team. And I agree you'd still win but at least without some of the advantages you have.

realdub:
"How on earth any county could take satisfaction from winning a Dublinless Leinster championship is beyond me. Where's the fun in that? What's to be gained on a National level for the 'boycotting' counties?"

How on earth do you take satisfaction in winning Leinster when you look at all the advantages you have? It's a joke.

I'd love Leinster made of up of actual counties. Not Dublin which is 3 county councils in one. Effectively a province. The crowds would return and you'd start seeing finals where teams other then Dublin would bring 20k+ fans to Croker. It would do wonders for the health of the game outside the capital. But apparently we're not important and don't deserve 18m in finding over the next 10 years.

Jack_Goff (Meath) - Posts: 2920 - 02/07/2019 16:16:34    2204376

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Replying To Jack_Goff:  "Have you been hacked? Very refreshing to read a post from a Dub who can see past his own team. And I agree you'd still win but at least without some of the advantages you have.

realdub:
"How on earth any county could take satisfaction from winning a Dublinless Leinster championship is beyond me. Where's the fun in that? What's to be gained on a National level for the 'boycotting' counties?"

How on earth do you take satisfaction in winning Leinster when you look at all the advantages you have? It's a joke.

I'd love Leinster made of up of actual counties. Not Dublin which is 3 county councils in one. Effectively a province. The crowds would return and you'd start seeing finals where teams other then Dublin would bring 20k+ fans to Croker. It would do wonders for the health of the game outside the capital. But apparently we're not important and don't deserve 18m in finding over the next 10 years."
Yes it's not as much fun as it used to be I'll admit, but that's down to the likes of Kildare and Meath being poor.

County boundaries are what drives this sport. Dublin wont always be this good and let's be honest, the level yourselves and Kildare are at is not our fault.

realdub (Dublin) - Posts: 8596 - 02/07/2019 16:30:38    2204388

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Replying To Dubsfan28:  "On one hand "Why are Dublin supporters even posting on this"
But on the other "You can do whatever you want"

Is there any intelligence in there? Even just a tiny bit? ;)"
You mean you come here looking for intelligence! Go away!

baire (Galway) - Posts: 1812 - 02/07/2019 16:39:53    2204394

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Replying To Crinigan:  "Two prominent players from two different Leinster counties have come out in recent weeks calling on their counties to boycott Leinster championship next year. I've heard whispers from players in other counties and you can be sure there are many players behind them saying the same out loud. Momentum could build quickly on this.

I think it would be a fantastic idea and the right up yours to John Horan and his mob. Obviously idea is that GAA have doped one team behind any semblance of competition etc etc so its time to take back what was once a great competition.

Two groups:

Meath, Carlow, Offaly, Westmeath
Kildare, Laois, Louth, Wexford

Top two teams in semi finals. Final played in Tullamore or Portlaoise (or another ground that isn't home ground of a finalist).

I think it would attract great crowds and above all else it would be fair."
If ye can't score more than 4 points I think the supporters will boycott it no problem.

Inaroundehouse (Cavan) - Posts: 975 - 02/07/2019 17:09:13    2204406

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Replying To Monkeycatcher:  "Is the Munster final in killarney one year cork the next? By agreement of both counties? Or was it a Munster decision?"
We have a home and away agreement with all counties. We were lucky to get out of Limerick with a draw in 2004. Limerick had momentum. Dublin do not enter the cauldron of an opponent on final day.

Kerry offered Dublin the toss of a coin for home advantage in the 2001 quarter-final. Dublin's preference was for a neutral Thurles in County Tipperary!

legendzxix (Kerry) - Posts: 7868 - 02/07/2019 17:11:59    2204409

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Replying To Dubsfan28:  "On one hand "Why are Dublin supporters even posting on this"
But on the other "You can do whatever you want"

Is there any intelligence in there? Even just a tiny bit? ;)"
Taking two separate quotes out of context does not make you intelligent i'm afraid.

Crinigan (Meath) - Posts: 1319 - 02/07/2019 17:18:49    2204412

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Replying To realdub:  "
Replying To Jack_Goff:  "Have you been hacked? Very refreshing to read a post from a Dub who can see past his own team. And I agree you'd still win but at least without some of the advantages you have.

realdub:
"How on earth any county could take satisfaction from winning a Dublinless Leinster championship is beyond me. Where's the fun in that? What's to be gained on a National level for the 'boycotting' counties?"

How on earth do you take satisfaction in winning Leinster when you look at all the advantages you have? It's a joke.

I'd love Leinster made of up of actual counties. Not Dublin which is 3 county councils in one. Effectively a province. The crowds would return and you'd start seeing finals where teams other then Dublin would bring 20k+ fans to Croker. It would do wonders for the health of the game outside the capital. But apparently we're not important and don't deserve 18m in finding over the next 10 years."
Yes it's not as much fun as it used to be I'll admit, but that's down to the likes of Kildare and Meath being poor.

County boundaries are what drives this sport. Dublin wont always be this good and let's be honest, the level yourselves and Kildare are at is not our fault."
I definitely agree it won't always be like this. In 20 years when the full weight of the funding imbalance bears fruit I think you'll be even further ahead of your neighbours. Don't forget the population growth forecasts for the next 50 years are heavily weighted in Dublins favour. If a Leinster county doesn't beat Dublin in the next 15 years I've a feeling they might never be beaten again. Can't wait to tell my grandkids I was there when Dublin did the 10 in a row as they then will be going for 50 or 60. Fun times ahead.

Jack_Goff (Meath) - Posts: 2920 - 02/07/2019 17:31:53    2204426

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Replying To Jack_Goff:  "
Replying To realdub:  "[quote=Jack_Goff:  "Have you been hacked? Very refreshing to read a post from a Dub who can see past his own team. And I agree you'd still win but at least without some of the advantages you have.

realdub:
"How on earth any county could take satisfaction from winning a Dublinless Leinster championship is beyond me. Where's the fun in that? What's to be gained on a National level for the 'boycotting' counties?"

How on earth do you take satisfaction in winning Leinster when you look at all the advantages you have? It's a joke.

I'd love Leinster made of up of actual counties. Not Dublin which is 3 county councils in one. Effectively a province. The crowds would return and you'd start seeing finals where teams other then Dublin would bring 20k+ fans to Croker. It would do wonders for the health of the game outside the capital. But apparently we're not important and don't deserve 18m in finding over the next 10 years."
Yes it's not as much fun as it used to be I'll admit, but that's down to the likes of Kildare and Meath being poor.

County boundaries are what drives this sport. Dublin wont always be this good and let's be honest, the level yourselves and Kildare are at is not our fault."
I definitely agree it won't always be like this. In 20 years when the full weight of the funding imbalance bears fruit I think you'll be even further ahead of your neighbours. Don't forget the population growth forecasts for the next 50 years are heavily weighted in Dublins favour. If a Leinster county doesn't beat Dublin in the next 15 years I've a feeling they might never be beaten again. Can't wait to tell my grandkids I was there when Dublin did the 10 in a row as they then will be going for 50 or 60. Fun times ahead."]In 20 years!!!! That's an interesting statement. So when Dublin began this run in 2011 was it the result of financial doping in 1991? How long do you think it takes for finances to bear fruit in general? You are crying out for more money for Meath. So what's the blood and iron plan? If Meath get this extra money, and let's face it population is not a problem for Meath as few can afford to live in the capital anyway, how long will it take the Meath CB to convert the do-re-mi into success? You've already got a fantastic centre of excellence, great population pick, decent funding relatively speaking, a great footballing tradition with legends of the game involved in clubs. I mean what more do you need to score more than 4 points at HQ?

Joxer (Dublin) - Posts: 4700 - 02/07/2019 18:06:43    2204444

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Replying To baire:  "Being hammered by double or treble scores year after year doesn't encourage any team and it deflates their morale. This happened in the hurling when KK were totally dominant and it took the GAA a good number of years to change the system due to opposition from the Leinster Council. The current set up in gaelic football, esp in Leinster, and in Munster to a lesser degree, is not fit for purpose. It must be addressed. If it's not addressed it won't be good for anyone, including Dublin."
Munster? Yes so this should not be about boycotting Leinster it should be about a complete restructure of the championship. Yeah I'm good with that. Munster has been dead for decades, Leinster is now dying and Connaught is about Mayo and Galway with the Rossies threatening to spoil the party every now and then. Ulster is the only competitive province. Let's face it. Boycott Leinster, Munster and Connaught.

Joxer (Dublin) - Posts: 4700 - 02/07/2019 18:24:05    2204455

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Replying To Crinigan:  "Two prominent players from two different Leinster counties have come out in recent weeks calling on their counties to boycott Leinster championship next year. I've heard whispers from players in other counties and you can be sure there are many players behind them saying the same out loud. Momentum could build quickly on this.

I think it would be a fantastic idea and the right up yours to John Horan and his mob. Obviously idea is that GAA have doped one team behind any semblance of competition etc etc so its time to take back what was once a great competition.

Two groups:

Meath, Carlow, Offaly, Westmeath
Kildare, Laois, Louth, Wexford

Top two teams in semi finals. Final played in Tullamore or Portlaoise (or another ground that isn't home ground of a finalist).

I think it would attract great crowds and above all else it would be fair."
A second tier competition you mean

arock (Dublin) - Posts: 4897 - 02/07/2019 18:49:03    2204462

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Replying To Liamwalkinstown:  "I think no Dubs game should be in Croke Park before Leinster Final. I think Dubs should only have one home game in super 8s. If the GAA can't see the chasm they are facilitating then maybe a boycott possibly IS a good idea.

We are good enough to beat anyone, anywhere.
We would beat Meath in Navan, Kildare in Newbridge. We would beat Kerry in Killarney or Donegal in Ballybofey.

Get the Dubs out of Croker bar the biggest games.

Level the field. Kill the excuses"
Good man Liam. And this Dubs side probably would beat most teams in each of their home venues without ever playing in Croke Park.

But even the mere thought of the Dubs going down to play Kerry in Killarney would be fantastic. The excitement, the novelty, the hint of the unknown - and no guarantee that the Dubs would win based on their last two visits to the Kingdom! It would be fantastic to see the Dubs playing around the country during the summer. It would add so much more colour to the championship. And as you say, it would probably end that particular gripe against them. I don't think any Super 8s matches should be played in Croke Park, bar one home match for the Dubs.

offyertrolley (Leitrim) - Posts: 141 - 02/07/2019 18:59:25    2204471

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Replying To arock:  "A second tier competition you mean"
Let's call it the Amateur Gaelic Football Leinster Championship.

The Dubs could play in the professional championship. Only problem is that they'd be the only team in it and would have nobody to play against - but still, no doubt you and most Dubs on this would probably still cheer wildly as Paul Mannion (after he stops rolling around feigning injury perhaps) kicks the ball into an empty net for Dublin's first 5 in a row in the all new GAA All Ireland Professional Championship (could it be called the John Horan Cup?) sponsored by AIG.

Jim Gavin could talk afterwards about how focused his team were as playing against literally nobody is a big challenge, requiring serious mental focus and his Dublin team knew not to take anything for granted coming into today's game against absolutely nobody. Would those on Hill16 notice that there is one team on the pitch though? Who would they get to boo and jeer? The seagulls? Roy Curtis' poetry?

Crinigan (Meath) - Posts: 1319 - 02/07/2019 19:08:01    2204478

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Replying To jimbodub:  "Meath bottle it in final, kicking ludicrous wides, missing sitter free kicks, tactically inept, daft positional decisions from sideline. They let themselves down.

= Boycott Leinster

Eamon Callaghan wasn't calling for a boycott when Kildare lost against Carlow or Wicklow this decade or recently taken to a replay against Longford

Kildare are going through a very poor run at senior level. They've had a lot of impressive success at underage, why hasn't that berm brought forward.

Why won't Flynn play this season?

How about being hammered at home by Tyrone recently? How about getting embarrassed by Kerry last year!

All the same applies for Meath...

Both traditional counties are nowhere near the level to win major competitions

"Once great competition"

Dublin has always dominated Leinster. Only 2-3 teams have won the vast bulk of titles, Dublin owning the overwhelming chunk.

Across the 00's (A record equalling low seen in Dublin GAA history)

A poor enough Dublin side were numerous deficiencies were still good enough to win multiple titles in a row in Leinster and then couldn't beat anyone outside of Leinster!

Won multiple titles with ease and then weren't up to the standard outside it.

Leinster was described as the reason for Dublin's collapses, not enough competition, easy route, unprepared for battle, Croke Park was touted as a disadvantage etc

This was before all the perceived advantages.

A poor Dublin team was still good enough.

Leinster's problems go way back!

Yes it's gone very poor now but that's taking away the progress that Longford, Carlow and Westmeath have gained against traditional counties like Meath, Kildare, Offaly

Now I do agree that the Leinster council haven't helped at all and the introduction of the season ticket and the large uptake allocated has limited the options of where Dublin games can be played. They have no doubt picked €€€ over substance. This though has nothing to do with Dublin.

I would 100% be in favour of Dublin playing more games outside of HQ and if that means less revenue generated then so be it.

But what can be done? It's all been democratically voted in to keep it the way it is.

Hats off to Donegal for putting forward the idea of getting Dublin to play their game outside of HQ in Super 8's

But they were left in the cold by almost every other county

Dublin having such a large population will always receive more funding. That's not going to stop, it'll be reduced as has been happening in the last few years, it's dropped and it'll drop further but that's not going to impact much.

I'm telling you now.. the poor enough 00's Dub team would still be winning multiple titles this decade. They'd be more than good enough to beat the likes of Kildare and Meath considering they haven't been good enough this decade to beat Wicklow, Carlow, Longford and Westmeath

They'd have still been easily good enough to win multiple titles in a row just like they did in the 00's

So boycott all you want. You'll still get hammered outside of Leinster by the best teams who are equally miles ahead

The All Ireland series has been hugely competitive this decade.

Unfortunately Leinster hasn't. It hasn't been for for a long time."
Your right, initially the decline of the Leinster championship was down to standards dropping outside of Dublin.
But talking as if the last 15 years is a natural continuation of previous Dublin Leinster success is wrong. Dublin's winning record previous to this was inflated due to a huge amount of non native players playing on Dublin club and county teams in the GAAs early years. These Dublin teams were really exile teams in some ways like London and New York today. St. Vincents club team (in the era of Kevin Heffernans playing era) are credited with turning this around.

bdbuddah (Meath) - Posts: 1356 - 02/07/2019 19:32:19    2204494

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Replying To Joxer:  "Leinster Lite. "High on whinge, low on skill" perhaps."
Did your county kick 4 pts in a Leinster Final recently?

Was it someone else's fault?

Then 'Leinster Lite' could be for you.

A competition where you get to choose the opposition and not look so incompetent when kicking wides from everywhere. So to win your very own version of the Delaney Cup, sign up now.

It's the way forward, surely.

CornAghais91 (Dublin) - Posts: 126 - 02/07/2019 19:32:48    2204496

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Replying To Crinigan:  "Let's call it the Amateur Gaelic Football Leinster Championship.

The Dubs could play in the professional championship. Only problem is that they'd be the only team in it and would have nobody to play against - but still, no doubt you and most Dubs on this would probably still cheer wildly as Paul Mannion (after he stops rolling around feigning injury perhaps) kicks the ball into an empty net for Dublin's first 5 in a row in the all new GAA All Ireland Professional Championship (could it be called the John Horan Cup?) sponsored by AIG.

Jim Gavin could talk afterwards about how focused his team were as playing against literally nobody is a big challenge, requiring serious mental focus and his Dublin team knew not to take anything for granted coming into today's game against absolutely nobody. Would the yobs on Hill16 notice that there is one team on the pitch though? Who would they get to boo and jeer? The seagulls? Roy Curtis' poetry?"
Ewan?

Jackeen (Dublin) - Posts: 4097 - 02/07/2019 19:41:06    2204499

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Replying To CornAghais91:  "Did your county kick 4 pts in a Leinster Final recently?

Was it someone else's fault?

Then 'Leinster Lite' could be for you.

A competition where you get to choose the opposition and not look so incompetent when kicking wides from everywhere. So to win your very own version of the Delaney Cup, sign up now.

It's the way forward, surely."
A friendly word.

On these message boards it takes a bit of time to build up some credibility so that your musings get read/respected.

If you are not even 20 posts in and are coming up with this drivel then your future here, among other things, doesn't seem too bright.

Another one to be avoided.

Greenfield (Meath) - Posts: 522 - 02/07/2019 19:53:57    2204504

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Replying To Joxer:  "Munster? Yes so this should not be about boycotting Leinster it should be about a complete restructure of the championship. Yeah I'm good with that. Munster has been dead for decades, Leinster is now dying and Connaught is about Mayo and Galway with the Rossies threatening to spoil the party every now and then. Ulster is the only competitive province. Let's face it. Boycott Leinster, Munster and Connaught."
I don't think a 'boycott' is going to achieve anything. It would only sour things further. Eventually the GAA will have to address it, the same way they had to address the Leinster Hurling Championship. It should be done on an All Ireland basis, root and branch: the club, the county, the provincials, the championship and league structures. To be honest I can't see it happening soon due to vested interests and the conservative nature of those at the top. Dublin and Kerry will always be there or thereabouts but games need to be competitive otherwise ppl will lose interest and turn to some other sport.

baire (Galway) - Posts: 1812 - 02/07/2019 20:00:40    2204507

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Replying To Crinigan:  "Let's call it the Amateur Gaelic Football Leinster Championship.

The Dubs could play in the professional championship. Only problem is that they'd be the only team in it and would have nobody to play against - but still, no doubt you and most Dubs on this would probably still cheer wildly as Paul Mannion (after he stops rolling around feigning injury perhaps) kicks the ball into an empty net for Dublin's first 5 in a row in the all new GAA All Ireland Professional Championship (could it be called the John Horan Cup?) sponsored by AIG.

Jim Gavin could talk afterwards about how focused his team were as playing against literally nobody is a big challenge, requiring serious mental focus and his Dublin team knew not to take anything for granted coming into today's game against absolutely nobody. Would those on Hill16 notice that there is one team on the pitch though? Who would they get to boo and jeer? The seagulls? Roy Curtis' poetry?"
The admins may have edited your original post but you showed your true colours there. And they aren't green and gold.

CornAghais91 (Dublin) - Posts: 126 - 02/07/2019 20:00:46    2204508

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Replying To CornAghais91:  "Did your county kick 4 pts in a Leinster Final recently?

Was it someone else's fault?

Then 'Leinster Lite' could be for you.

A competition where you get to choose the opposition and not look so incompetent when kicking wides from everywhere. So to win your very own version of the Delaney Cup, sign up now.

It's the way forward, surely."
Dublin supporters don't like their great team to be criticised and I understand why they'd be aggrieved by it. My criticism has been with the system and the unfairness of it, nothing to do with the Dublin team who play with great skill and heart. Likewise with those who lose and lose badly. Anyone who has ever played a sport knows that those Meath players are hurting very badly, the least ppl could do here is to say nothing if they don't have anything constructive to say about them. It's most unsporting to hit anyone who is down, cowardly in fact.

baire (Galway) - Posts: 1812 - 02/07/2019 20:11:08    2204511

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Replying To Jackeen:  "Ewan?"
Joxer?

seadog54 (Meath) - Posts: 2149 - 02/07/2019 20:31:05    2204522

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