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Replying To FootblockREF:  "You're taking out of both sides of your mouth. You seem to want Monaghan to beat the big teams but you want new lads and those who missed out to play. Those lads will have a learning curve and Div One is a hard place to have that.
Also you've absolutely no proof thst we would have beaten Donegal in 2018, because it didn't happen. The only reason you say it is because Donegal winning that Ulster disproves your point about links between league and championship. All we know about Donegal is that they disposed of inferior opposition in both Ulster Finals that had beaten us in an earlier round."
Are you really saying that we had a bad season in 2018? Just a yes or no?

Farney (Monaghan) - Posts: 715 - 22/09/2019 00:16:54    2238159

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Replying To Farney:  "Are you really saying that we had a bad season in 2018? Just a yes or no?"
Yes

FootblockREF (Monaghan) - Posts: 361 - 22/09/2019 09:43:06    2238195

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Replying To FootblockREF:  "Yes"
My God

monaghanmad (Monaghan) - Posts: 118 - 22/09/2019 11:48:48    2238219

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Replying To supermon:  "Come on. Small pool or not, we have to start playing someone new.

It becomes a question trust. Trust that you have picked new players as best you can, develped them as best you can and then take a leap of faith a throw them in. It has to be done eventually. Putting it off for short term gain with tried and trusted is myopic.

Best place to take the leap of faith is the league. Management and players should be given the breathing space to allow for improvement of performance, which is more than just putting points on the board on a league table.

In my opinion a player like O'Hanlon might have improved more if he didn't have the likes of McManus around him for a number of games in the league. I know that might not make sense to many, but if you think about it, he would have been the marquee forward for those games, forced into taking responsibility. With McManus there, you have his aura and presence overshadowing him. He is the main man, most of the scores go through him.

Look its all a balancing act when introducing new players and mixing them with the older ones. I really think we got the balance totally wrong last year. I think it should be changed up totally next season. Fresh faces all over the park. I think the Monaghan public would have a level of understanding here if results didnt go our way, especially if we know that we have the few older and experienced aces still up our sleeve ready to come in closer to championship. Unfortunately if it is the same players losing league games like last year, thats when one would worry."
if you look at the first team malachy started and the last you will see he did bring on new lads. we cry about this a lot. and i am guilty myself. id love to see a number of boys tried but if you actually sit back and look he did blood new lads blooded them slowly and eased them into in which is a must after all not everyone is a clifford who can just jump into a senior team.
anyway im sure everyone will be told now its a clean slate for anyone who has notions of playing with the county . its up to them to put there hands up and say i want the jersey.

farneygael (Monaghan) - Posts: 141 - 22/09/2019 12:30:29    2238225

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Replying To FootblockREF:  "Yes"
Are you on the payroll ?

mhunicean_abu (Monaghan) - Posts: 698 - 23/09/2019 15:51:01    2238579

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Be under no illusions. The young lads coming through are not to the standard needed to compete in division 1 and compete for all Ireland's. It's a simple fact. There is no mc manus drew Wylie jap finalay Tommy Freeman coming through. We banked on Jack mc carron and hes not to standard needed and he's miles ahead of the rest of the pack so.......

monaghanmad (Monaghan) - Posts: 118 - 24/09/2019 16:40:37    2238817

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Replying To monaghanmad:  "Be under no illusions. The young lads coming through are not to the standard needed to compete in division 1 and compete for all Ireland's. It's a simple fact. There is no mc manus drew Wylie jap finalay Tommy Freeman coming through. We banked on Jack mc carron and hes not to standard needed and he's miles ahead of the rest of the pack so......."
Be under no illusion that this is one of the most defeatist posts I've seen on here. Ever.

I have two points to make.

1. Players develop at different stages. Paul Murphy in Kerry couldn't make the Kerry minors, and he was man of the match in 2014 All Ireland final. Conor McManus was a wing back when he started with Monaghan, Those two examples tell us that there is no way of knowing this just yet until they are tested.

2. Culture. How is it that some counties always seem to produce good top players and remain competitive year in year out? Culture and attitude. Fostering a good culture and attitude within the county is what breeds success. The children born in Kerry are no different to children born in Monaghan. They just have a better culture and attitude to football there. Players breaking into a Division 1 football team are breaking into a team with a seriously competitive culture and its my belief that harnessed well this will stand us in good stead.

supermon (Monaghan) - Posts: 1055 - 25/09/2019 10:44:29    2238998

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Replying To monaghanmad:  "Be under no illusions. The young lads coming through are not to the standard needed to compete in division 1 and compete for all Ireland's. It's a simple fact. There is no mc manus drew Wylie jap finalay Tommy Freeman coming through. We banked on Jack mc carron and hes not to standard needed and he's miles ahead of the rest of the pack so......."
Poppycock.
2018 and 2019 Minor Ulster Champions
2013 Minors (so mid-20s now)

Jack is 27, so hardly a young thing.
There is plenty coming through and has been since the development squads got going. Monaghan are consistently in Ulster finals at underage over the last 5 years.
Monaghan are put the conveyor belt in place to compete at Div 1/2 level for the next decade anyway; a far cry from 2004/2005.

Monaghan08 (Monaghan) - Posts: 172 - 25/09/2019 15:37:32    2239121

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While preliminary round fixture isn't ideal, you'd have to say you'd take that side of the draw any day if you were offered it. We have left a good number of final's behind in recent years with flops on the day. Can't afford them this year.

Cavan are a tough prospect, but we definitely owe them one after last year, it will be a big motivating factor. Antrim shouldn't present too much of a problem, but then Down or Fermanagh have taught us lessons in Ulster Semi Finals also.

supermon (Monaghan) - Posts: 1055 - 09/10/2019 10:33:33    2242275

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Replying To supermon:  "While preliminary round fixture isn't ideal, you'd have to say you'd take that side of the draw any day if you were offered it. We have left a good number of final's behind in recent years with flops on the day. Can't afford them this year.

Cavan are a tough prospect, but we definitely owe them one after last year, it will be a big motivating factor. Antrim shouldn't present too much of a problem, but then Down or Fermanagh have taught us lessons in Ulster Semi Finals also."
Think it's a good draw and should keep a lot of players interested in sticking around for another year. If wed got donegal away followed by tyrone woouldnt be much enthusiasts about. There are a lot of wrongs to be righted on our side of the draw if we can find some form which isn't a given.

seanie08 (Monaghan) - Posts: 1392 - 09/10/2019 11:24:42    2242293

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A glamour tie to start the second banty era. A good local derby with plenty of local and media interest. It's just what banty would have wanted.

monaghanmad (Monaghan) - Posts: 118 - 09/10/2019 11:26:18    2242294

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Replying To monaghanmad:  "A glamour tie to start the second banty era. A good local derby with plenty of local and media interest. It's just what banty would have wanted."
About as glamorous as a weekend in Treacys hotel

Eddie the Exile (Monaghan) - Posts: 687 - 09/10/2019 20:01:11    2242430

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Replying To Eddie the Exile:  "About as glamorous as a weekend in Treacys hotel"
Eddie the Exile... your dislike of Banty is getting a bit tasteless at this stage.

patmouse (Monaghan) - Posts: 15 - 10/10/2019 10:01:07    2242508

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...as tasteless as ferrying humans in and out of their accommodation like cattle...?

moodoo (Monaghan) - Posts: 348 - 10/10/2019 16:05:06    2242597

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Replying To patmouse:  "Eddie the Exile... your dislike of Banty is getting a bit tasteless at this stage."
Thank you. I like to keep high standards.

Eddie the Exile (Monaghan) - Posts: 687 - 10/10/2019 16:52:44    2242610

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Replying To moodoo:  "...as tasteless as ferrying humans in and out of their accommodation like cattle...?"
Was up in the old town recently don't think banty will win too many popularity awards about the place. I'll always support the lads no matter what but this managerial appointment gets stranger by the day.

seanie08 (Monaghan) - Posts: 1392 - 10/10/2019 17:05:18    2242613

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Replying To seanie08:  "Was up in the old town recently don't think banty will win too many popularity awards about the place. I'll always support the lads no matter what but this managerial appointment gets stranger by the day."
Exactly my thoughts, still don't understand how a panel sat down and thought he was the best candidate... nothing about his past 2 stints at intercounty management warrants the role of a team who have had great success in comparison to Meath and Wexford.

Here's hoping he makes full use of the talented squad he has. the bar has been raised by MOR, so I hope it doesn't drop.

MonaghanGlory (Monaghan) - Posts: 654 - 10/10/2019 18:57:27    2242637

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Replying To Eddie the Exile:  "Thank you. I like to keep high standards."
Hard to argue with Facts Eddie .. keep your high standards up your just right ,, sure he could fill Crokr Park .. oh and he has a new title now too I see , classes himself as a plain old farmer ..

stoneygrey (Monaghan) - Posts: 118 - 10/10/2019 19:25:08    2242645

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Replying To MonaghanGlory:  "Exactly my thoughts, still don't understand how a panel sat down and thought he was the best candidate... nothing about his past 2 stints at intercounty management warrants the role of a team who have had great success in comparison to Meath and Wexford.

Here's hoping he makes full use of the talented squad he has. the bar has been raised by MOR, so I hope it doesn't drop."
It's just a pity that freedom of information doesn't apply to county boards.

greysoil (Monaghan) - Posts: 668 - 15/10/2019 22:37:39    2243840

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