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tirawleybaron (Mayo) - Posts: 1626 - 23/06/2019 20:57:49 2199374 Link 0 |
Interesting that your average qualifier match is way More Interesting than your average KeshGFC (Fermanagh) - Posts: 339 - 25/06/2019 22:15:43 2200957 Link 0 |
They should but wouldn't it be a nightmare for fixtures? I know it's harder on the ulster teams in particular but how could you operate this? Jack_Goff (Meath) - Posts: 2920 - 25/06/2019 22:26:14 2200968 Link 6 |
With the prospect of a Tier 2 Championship in some form, Leinster and Ulster counties need to use it as an opportunity for some balance in the provincial structure. legendzxix (Kerry) - Posts: 9216 - 30/06/2019 14:43:13 2202894 Link 0 |
Come to think of it - based on the Tier 1 & 2 proposal made public this weekend - we have something closer to the SeanK plan (like JimMc's) - SeanK = Prov F 8 + Prior T2 Final 2 + High NFL 6. JimMcG = Prov F 4 + Prior T2 Final 1 + High NFL 11. Actual June 2019 = Prov F 8 + T2 F 1 + High NFL 7, with the addition of a back door. For Tier 2 - 2 ideas are proposed - Proposal A - 16 teams (or less) - 4 KO Rds (simple). Proposal B - 16 teams (exact) - all play 2 initial games - after which 8 teams with 1 win play in Rd 3, 4 with 2 wins to QFs and 4 with 0 wins are out (this is a double-sized Old C Ring format). Proposal B takes 6 rds, compared to A with 4. B could be streamlined to 5. Rd 2 could be 1st of 4 KO rds - with 8 Rd 1 winners v 8 Rd 1 losers. omahant (USA) - Posts: 3354 - 30/06/2019 17:00:27 2202981 Link 0 |
I think having a very close to even split is important to the success of a tiered championship system. Having a small top tier is elitist, a valid criticism of the super 8 system. Having a small tier 2 is exclusionary. The second tier isn't something worth winning. It's a competition for the dregs. This was the failing of the Tommy Murphy cup. It wasn't a valuable competition with just the worst teams in it. To even be in the competition was a indication of failure, where's the prestige to be found in that. You have 16 teams in an All Ireland second tier you are going to have some good teams in there. It's something worth winning. Whammo86 (Antrim) - Posts: 4614 - 30/06/2019 19:00:13 2203056 Link 6 |
If Division 3 teams vote it in, that's fair enough. If the Tier 2 is 16 teams, it might only be a matter of time before they settle on the Top 16 being a group stage.
legendzxix (Kerry) - Posts: 9216 - 30/06/2019 19:19:07 2203069 Link 0 |
To use your Prov Rd 2 idea - there was a time when I used that logic Rd 2 has 24, with back door (BD) 8; Rd 3 has 12 with BD 16; Rd 4 has 6 (Lein & Uls Finals & Munsv Conn Chap Playoff) with BD 14; Rd 5 has 3 Champ byes to QFs with BD 10 (5 winners to QFs. As I recall, you didnt like MunsConn playing for 1 QF slot - but it follows your logic. Anyway, overall Iprefer a proper Tier 2 instead like now under discussion. I'd prefer if they limited the Lein, Muns & Conn Championships as well. omahant (USA) - Posts: 3354 - 01/07/2019 02:36:08 2203216 Link 0 |