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If football was to operate similarly you would trim the Ulster Championship to 6 teams and put the top 12 ranked teams from the other 3 championships.
That would give you:
Tyrone, Armagh, Cavan, Monaghan, Donegal, Fermanagh in Ulster
Open Draw from other groups produces the following:
Group A: Mayo, Roscommon, Meath, Cork, Dublin, Tipp
Group B: Galway, Kerry, Clare, Laois, Kildare, Westmeath
Top 2 from each group play provincial finals - winners progress to All Ireland Q finals
Provincial losers play next best 4 from groups - playing off down to 2 teams for all Ireland Q finals
The non provincial lower 16 would be in 4 groups of 4 -producing a B champ winner plus 2 teams for all Ireland Q finals
Play off knockout all Ireland from Q finals onwards
The top 2 in the B enter provincials the following year relegating the worst performing team in the groups.
This would be in line with the Hurling championships but their is no chance the 16 counties left out would allow this happen.
tirawleybaron (Mayo) - Posts: 777 - 23/06/2019 20:57:49 2199374Link 0 0
Interesting that your average qualifier match is way More Interesting than your average
KeshGFC (Fermanagh) - Posts: 169 - 25/06/2019 22:15:43 2200957Link 0 0
Jack_Goff (Meath) - Posts: 2783 - 25/06/2019 22:26:14 2200968Link 3 0
With the prospect of a Tier 2 Championship in some form, Leinster and Ulster counties need to use it as an opportunity for some balance in the provincial structure.
legendzxix (Kerry) - Posts: 6173 - 30/06/2019 14:43:13 2202894Link 0 0
SeanK = Prov F 8 + Prior T2 Final 2 + High NFL 6.
JimMcG = Prov F 4 + Prior T2 Final 1 + High NFL 11.
Actual June 2019 = Prov F 8 + T2 F 1 + High NFL 7, with the addition of a back door.
For Tier 2 - 2 ideas are proposed -
Proposal A - 16 teams (or less) - 4 KO Rds (simple).
Proposal B - 16 teams (exact) - all play 2 initial games - after which 8 teams with 1 win play in Rd 3, 4 with 2 wins to QFs and 4 with 0 wins are out (this is a double-sized Old C Ring format).
Proposal B takes 6 rds, compared to A with 4.
B could be streamlined to 5.
Rd 2 could be 1st of 4 KO rds - with 8 Rd 1 winners v 8 Rd 1 losers.
omahant (USA) - Posts: 1610 - 30/06/2019 17:00:27 2202981Link 0 0
Having a small top tier is elitist, a valid criticism of the super 8 system.
Having a small tier 2 is exclusionary. The second tier isn't something worth winning. It's a competition for the dregs. This was the failing of the Tommy Murphy cup. It wasn't a valuable competition with just the worst teams in it. To even be in the competition was a indication of failure, where's the prestige to be found in that.
You have 16 teams in an All Ireland second tier you are going to have some good teams in there. It's something worth winning.
Whammo86 (Antrim) - Posts: 2602 - 30/06/2019 19:00:13 2203056Link 2 0
legendzxix (Kerry) - Posts: 6173 - 30/06/2019 19:19:07 2203069Link 0 0
As I recall, you didnt like MunsConn playing for 1 QF slot - but it follows your logic.
Anyway, overall Iprefer a proper Tier 2 instead like now under discussion. I'd prefer if they limited the Lein, Muns & Conn Championships as well.
omahant (USA) - Posts: 1610 - 01/07/2019 02:36:08 2203216Link 0 0