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the thriw in in hurling is a mess. inevitably one of 2 things happens. 1.a scramble for the ball 2.a free because 1 player stepped forward and the other pulled. these problems are amplified in the autumn or winter as the ground gets worse. players never have their hurls on the ground any more either why not throw the ball up in the air between 2 players and make them keep the hurl down?any 3rd man in its a free.once the 2 players have contested it,its fair game. the ball would often never reach the ground and the game would continue probably with a hand pass. the rule needs to be improved. perfect10 (Wexford) - Posts: 3929 - 17/06/2019 22:48:58 2196848 Link
Replying To perfect10: "the thriw in in hurling is a mess. inevitably one of 2 things happens. 1.a scramble for the ball 2.a free because 1 player stepped forward and the other pulled. these problems are amplified in the autumn or winter as the ground gets worse. players never have their hurls on the ground any more either why not throw the ball up in the air between 2 players and make them keep the hurl down?any 3rd man in its a free.once the 2 players have contested it,its fair game. the ball would often never reach the ground and the game would continue probably with a hand pass. the rule needs to be improved." Ah, God be with the days when some doddery old dignitary or bishop used to be helped on to the field to throw in to start a big game. I heard that practice was stopped when De Valera or some other big shot was too slow to get out of the way pronto after performing this duty and was trampled on in the mad scramble for the sliotar. Probably a tall tale but amusing all the same. marooney (Galway) - Posts: 88 - 17/06/2019 23:06:18 2196859 Link
There is a simpler way. With the coin toss before the game starts you either get to pick which way you want to play or get the first puck out. GDL (Galway) - Posts: 719 - 17/06/2019 23:22:22 2196868 Link
Replying To perfect10: "the thriw in in hurling is a mess. inevitably one of 2 things happens. 1.a scramble for the ball 2.a free because 1 player stepped forward and the other pulled. these problems are amplified in the autumn or winter as the ground gets worse. players never have their hurls on the ground any more either why not throw the ball up in the air between 2 players and make them keep the hurl down?any 3rd man in its a free.once the 2 players have contested it,its fair game. the ball would often never reach the ground and the game would continue probably with a hand pass. the rule needs to be improved." Anyone ever see a score from a throw in? It must have happened sometime/somewhere... liam500 (Wicklow) - Posts: 175 - 17/06/2019 23:36:52 2196872 Link
Replying To perfect10: "the thriw in in hurling is a mess. inevitably one of 2 things happens. 1.a scramble for the ball 2.a free because 1 player stepped forward and the other pulled. these problems are amplified in the autumn or winter as the ground gets worse. players never have their hurls on the ground any more either why not throw the ball up in the air between 2 players and make them keep the hurl down?any 3rd man in its a free.once the 2 players have contested it,its fair game. the ball would often never reach the ground and the game would continue probably with a hand pass. the rule needs to be improved." Agree Perfect 10, it is a mess. The rule stipulates that all players other than four midfielders be behind the 65, which is far too close to the half way line so several players converge to contest the throw in. In Wexford Park on Saturday the referee tried to get everyone in their place but had to eventually throw in the ball with about eight players involved. Even if they changed the rule to require all other players to be inside the 45 (as in football) it would help a lot. Players would still encroach but it would take them longer to get to the half way line. midlands (Westmeath) - Posts: 541 - 18/06/2019 09:26:40 2196939 Link
Replying To GDL: "There is a simpler way. With the coin toss before the game starts you either get to pick which way you want to play or get the first puck out." I don't think the throw in at the start of either half is actually the problem to be honest. It is the only time when it kinda works because everyone has to be in the correct place. I like perfect10's idea for in-game throwins though as they are currently a mess. MesAmis (Dublin) - Posts: 13704 - 18/06/2019 10:47:38 2196980 Link
the start of each half is not the problem,its the one where the throw in is the result of a scrum and there's 15 players hanging around and the referee is trying to find 2 players to throw it in between but there is 10 other players in the area. throwing it up in the air is a better solution to the problem in my view perfect10 (Wexford) - Posts: 3929 - 18/06/2019 11:14:28 2196994 Link
Personally, I love the throw in. The band still playing as it disappears down the tunnel, opposing players shake hands (the soft ones) or use their shoulders to greet each other. The noise, expectancy and excitement levels rise to boiling point. One, two or all of em throw a sly dig here and there, raising the cries of blood from the opposing fans. Shouts of 'give it back to him ', send that 'insert county' f*er back into the ground, C'mon da 'insert county nickname' . The man in darkened green walks up to the four opposing players who are trying to push each other off an imagined cliff. Says something the players can't hear or choose to ignore. Blows the whistle, throws the ball in. Hurls move, ash flies, legs /arms/ bodies become tangled. Ball trickles slowly missing the first two who are pulling on air. The second pair tangle and the ball moves 3 inches forward, half the stadium erupts with joy but its sent back the other way causing the other half to counter erupt. And on it goes..... That's what i love. Buachaillbui (Clare)** - Posts: 117 - 18/06/2019 11:15:42 2196995 Link
Seems simple. Players from both side behind the 70 yds line. One player from each side in the middle for throw. Any infringement before the ball hits the ground, free first score of the game. It doesn't matter if the ref got the right team or not for the infringement as teams will smarten up quickly. The same for a throw in during the game. Players behind the nearest two lines. We always want the ref to be correct in every situation which is not always possible when both side are acting up. In hockey with this situation you will hear the ref saying to the players I am going to pull someone from one side and penalize you. Don't care if it is the right side or not. Unbelievable how quick things quieten down. Canuck (Waterford) - Posts: 2655 - 18/06/2019 14:14:23 2197109 Link
But if you read his point he's not talking about the throw in at the start, he is talking about the throw in resulting from a ruck ball and a throw in on the ground, with neither hurl on the ground, etc. Sounds like a good idea to me. I hate the throw in and a player stepping forward and getting lashed but getting a free. StoreysTash (Wexford) - Posts: 1732 - 18/06/2019 14:53:47 2197128 Link
Replying To liam500: "Anyone ever see a score from a throw in? It must have happened sometime/somewhere..." Saw it in a challenge game my own club were playing against a team from Carlow (might have been MLR). Hop ball on the 21, their lad let fly first time into the top corner. Beautiful goal if it was against us. ballydalane (Kilkenny) - Posts: 1246 - 19/06/2019 03:34:13 2197416 Link
Maybe the refs should do what they do in under 6 hurling when the players are all bunched together - throw the ball 30 yards away into open space, and let everyone run after it. ballydalane (Kilkenny) - Posts: 1246 - 19/06/2019 03:38:09 2197417 Link
Replying To ballydalane: "Saw it in a challenge game my own club were playing against a team from Carlow (might have been MLR). Hop ball on the 21, their lad let fly first time into the top corner. Beautiful goal if it was against us." Ya may get the foot in quicker, free out! StoreysTash (Wexford) - Posts: 1732 - 20/06/2019 16:10:01 2198030 Link
Replying To perfect10: "the thriw in in hurling is a mess. inevitably one of 2 things happens. 1.a scramble for the ball 2.a free because 1 player stepped forward and the other pulled. these problems are amplified in the autumn or winter as the ground gets worse. players never have their hurls on the ground any more either why not throw the ball up in the air between 2 players and make them keep the hurl down?any 3rd man in its a free.once the 2 players have contested it,its fair game. the ball would often never reach the ground and the game would continue probably with a hand pass. the rule needs to be improved." good idea throwing up the ball without hurls in the air, but would be hard police in someways...toss a coin and award a puck out to the winner (or give them the choice of taking puck out?) with the provision that the ball has to be pucked out to at least the half way line (again if theres a gale blowing it might be hard)..in ordinary play I often see these scrums in the square where the ref blows his whistle and picks up the ball and runs out 10 yards towards the sideline!!!...advantage defender!!! Fairplayalways (Offaly) - Posts: 1034 - 20/06/2019 16:40:16 2198042 Link
Nothing wrong with it,why are we trying to fix something that isn't broke,alot more wrong In the gaa.One of the worst posts I have seen on hoganstand. cityman73 (Limerick) - Posts: 775 - 20/06/2019 16:50:51 2198047 Link
Replying To GDL: "There is a simpler way. With the coin toss before the game starts you either get to pick which way you want to play or get the first puck out." Common sense like you suggest is really not allowed in GAA arock (Dublin) - Posts: 4895 - 20/06/2019 17:17:09 2198054 Link
Replying To arock: "Common sense like you suggest is really not allowed in GAA" So anyone that helps run gaa, have no common sense,that's your opinion. cityman73 (Limerick) - Posts: 775 - 20/06/2019 17:47:30 2198059 Link
Replying To cityman73: "Nothing wrong with it,why are we trying to fix something that isn't broke,alot more wrong In the gaa.One of the worst posts I have seen on hoganstand." can people please read my original post again. i dont care if the game starts with a standard throw in,my point here is that most throw ins are as a result of a ruck,the 2 hurls are never on the ground,and the ball is generally dropped between 2 players with a slew of players around them,often resulting in another throw in. throwing it up in the air means the players might catch it,or the ball might bounce away from the ruck of players. perfect10 (Wexford) - Posts: 3929 - 21/06/2019 10:18:49 2198232 Link