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It wouldn't. Derry are responsible for their current situation."]If all of these dumb proposals had been implemented in the past..,Down would never have won in 1960..Donegal would not have won in 1992 and Tyrone would not have emerged as a football power. They would have been warehoused within their respective tiers. If GAA want to drive people to soccer and rugby.,.go ahead with this rubbish
Rockies (Cork) - Posts: 947 - 09/07/2019 20:58:08 2208656 Link 0 |
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Is there a workable format for 12 teams in this suggested Tier 2? legendzxix (Kerry) - Posts: 7846 - 09/07/2019 21:10:13 2208670 Link 0 |
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Tiers wouldn't prevent teams from emerging as football powers. Hawkeye9212 (Donegal) - Posts: 266 - 09/07/2019 21:48:38 2208702 Link 0 |
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I remember in 1973, Cork slotted 5 goals against Kerry in Munster final, then went on to win All Ireland. The previous 5 years were dominated by Kerry. Provincial competitions are lifeblood of GAA..in early 90's the Ulster teams dominated after decades in the doldrums . Warehousing them into lower tiers would have ruined that
Rockies (Cork) - Posts: 947 - 09/07/2019 21:51:40 2208705 Link 1 |
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You're very much living in the past. Times have changed. The commitment required to play inter county GAA has sky rocketed. Players want to be rewarded with more games and more quality games for the effort they are putting in. The status quo is not working. Less successful counties are already struggling to get their best players out for them. It's no wonder. Look at the season for an inter county player. Play preseason and leagues in January, February and March. Then you're only guaranteed 2 more games between then and the end of June at which point usually half of teams will have already exited the championship. There's a bit of club action in April. Those that play county championship can have teams eliminated from that 17 weeks into the new year. From May that will all shut down because it's not possible to schedule club action around the county teams and their unknown schedule at the start of the year. Get to October and the let's run off all the club championships as quickly as possible. The system currently is failing practically all stakeholders and working towards better competition structures right at the top is crucial to that process. Whammo86 (Antrim) - Posts: 4226 - 09/07/2019 22:31:20 2208739 Link 8 |
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Warehouse teams into lower tiers and I guarantee in 10 years the GAA will wish they were living in the past
Rockies (Cork) - Posts: 947 - 09/07/2019 22:53:00 2208752 Link 0 |
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No one is warehoused. It's not static. Teams can move and improve. Get themselves up the tiers. There should definitely be a good flow between tiers. A simple structure would involve say 2 divisions of 16 each playing a single round robin then moving on to playoffs. You have 3 up and 3 down between the divisions. You have plenty of interchange. Teams aren't warehoused in a tier. The play in a division 2 and for most there is a realistic opportunity to get promotion to a top tier. The big thing that gets teams engaged in the competition isn't that they are playing in a second tier, it's that now there's a serious quality top tier competition. We get promotion from tier 2 and get a 15 game program against the top teams in the country. That's a prize worth winning. Introducing a second tier isn't about sending weaker teams to play only against one another. It's about creating an overall better competition for everyone. By having promotion and relegation you can create a more compelling championship. If Antrim play 1 season in this top tier they'd play more of the top teams in that 1 season than they have in the championship over the last 10 years. Whammo86 (Antrim) - Posts: 4226 - 10/07/2019 00:02:44 2208802 Link 8 |
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Each province could have a prelim/qualifier system (there used to be one in Leinster) tirawleybaron (Mayo) - Posts: 1109 - 12/07/2019 06:39:52 2209777 Link 0 |
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Tier 1 Hawkeye9212 (Donegal) - Posts: 266 - 12/07/2019 20:32:53 2210112 Link 0 |
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A few counties will move between tiers and even fewer will stay in a top tier and fewer still will be competitive at the top end if the top tier. Ultimately with stronger counties consistently playing the stronger and weaker against weaker the gap in standards between top half and bottom half can only widen.
GreenandRed (Mayo) - Posts: 7345 - 12/07/2019 20:58:31 2210119 Link 8 |
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The teams who finish first in Tier 1 advance to the semis. The teams who finish second play the finalists of Tier 2 in the quarters.
Hawkeye9212 (Donegal) - Posts: 266 - 12/07/2019 21:03:20 2210123 Link 0 |
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What preliminary/qualifier system used there be in Leinster???
The_Biler (Westmeath) - Posts: 84 - 12/07/2019 21:12:53 2210129 Link 0 |
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Weaker teams currently play 2 maybe 3 games in the championship and are struggling to get their better players lining out for them. How is that good for anyone's prospects.
Whammo86 (Antrim) - Posts: 4226 - 12/07/2019 21:59:38 2210144 Link 8 |
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From 1993- 2000 In 2000, Wexford, Longford, Carlow and Wicklow played in a group stage eight the winner progressing to the Leinster Q final In 1999 and 1998: Longford, Wexford, Carlow and Westmeath played off for a q final spot 1997 - Offaly, Westmeath, Wexford and longford- Offaly got to All Ireland Semi afterwards 1996 - Carlow, Wicklow, longford, Wexford Having more games allowed these teams build momentum and play more championship football as a team Offaly went on a serious run in 1997 Westmeath developed a team that went on to win Leinster in 2004 Wexford ended up in a league final in 2005 It more games in the summer, more time together that develops a team. tirawleybaron (Mayo) - Posts: 1109 - 12/07/2019 22:21:28 2210153 Link 0 |
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4 counties used to play amongst themselves and the winner came out to draw proper. Was about 20 years ago and gave Carlow, Wexford, Wicklow, Longford and others a few rounds before meeting a bigger team. There's an argument now for just putting Dublin in the final and letting all other counties play the other half of the draw. On the issue of the 2nd tier competition, I think it will be a disaster and more div 3 and 4 players will take the plane to the us after their provincial matches. carlovia (None) - Posts: 1517 - 12/07/2019 22:30:40 2210161 Link 0 |
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Creating an opportunity to improve their standard of football would incentivize prospective intercounty players to play for so-called weaker counties.
GreenandRed (Mayo) - Posts: 7345 - 13/07/2019 02:13:45 2210189 Link 8 |
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I feel like the easiest way to do that would be to have a proper 16 team tier 1, 16 team tier 2. 3 up 3 down. Every 2 seasons 19 different teams would play a tier 1 season. The tier 2 is elevated because there's a serious prize at the end of it. Promotion to a 15 game tier 1 season. Guaranteed 7 home fixtures against top teams. 1 season in that competition would do more for bringing a county on that 20 seasons under the current system. A team in the second tier would only ever be 1 season away from promotion. There'd be serious excitement going in to the latter stages of the tier 2 championship to get the chance to go up. I'd say there would realistically be about 10 teams each season with a shot at going up. There'd likely by 5-7 teams not at the standard but at least they'd have a good program of games against better teams to get themselves closer. London/Waterford etc for instance would gain a lot from playing the likes of Longford, Offaly, Carlow, Laois, Derry, Down. Those teams would be in the hunt to get back up to tier 1. When you think closely about it I don't know what the downside is. We can pretend everyone is at the same level or we can accept that some teams aren't and provide a pathway to get them more games and a chance to progress. Whammo86 (Antrim) - Posts: 4226 - 13/07/2019 11:04:50 2210230 Link 8 |
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There was a group stage in 2000 only. Before that there were 2 preliminary rounds and they were both knockout. So for only 1 year teams got more games. From 2001 onward the teams that failed to get past the quarters in Leinster played in one preliminary round the following season.
The_Biler (Westmeath) - Posts: 84 - 18/07/2019 21:25:18 2212940 Link 0 |
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Yes - I recall my 1st reading in the newspapers as well - made no sense like you remember it - like 2 2A winners v 2 2B winners in the QFs.
omahant (USA) - Posts: 2591 - 19/07/2019 01:56:34 2213011 Link 0 |
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Happened for one season 2000. It would probably be better if something like this was introduced, like the Munster and Leinster hurling championship and give teams more summer games.
The_Biler (Westmeath) - Posts: 84 - 19/07/2019 14:05:37 2213173 Link 0 |