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@Username haven't seen much of Cian O'Sullivan this year, you've seen him in the flesh a few times so that is fair enough. It is easy to look good this time of year though. I don't know if he is underrated he doesn't have the profile of some of the others but anybody following football probably acknowledges he is the best in his position over the past decade. Do you honestly think McMahon will start later? Looked a liability to me at times last year.

I expect the Dubs to keep rolling and backfilling the panel from their U21 and U20 teams like you say. For all the talk of our minor five in a row Dublin have quietly dominated that grade and are probably in a better position than Kerry in relation to young talent to supplement an already formidable group.

I agree ye are there for the taking but I just don't see who will be good enough when push comes to shove and you are down to the last 15 minutes. I don't think anybody has the bench to actually do it, you'd need to be 7-8 points ahead at that stage to be sure. Dublin peaked a few years ago for me but are still well ahead. Then again, ye will be beaten some day and whenever it happens it will be an upset that nobody will see coming.

Tyrone are the best of the rest for me as well despite last weekend, I doubt MH will be caught like that again.

GeniusGerry (Kerry) - Posts: 2105 - 11/06/2019 11:27:08    2193409

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Replying To KingdomBoy1:  "Who are you to say who can and can't comment on a thread on the home page?

Ye have a Dublin forum the same way we have a Kerry forum , and I respectfully stay off yer page, but il post on the main page as much as I want kid."
The Dublin posters really do think they run the show on hogan stand kingdom boy1. They have the big numbers on here for sure.

gallarus14 (Kerry) - Posts: 127 - 11/06/2019 12:29:55    2193441

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Replying To KingdomBoy1:  "Who are you to say who can and can't comment on a thread on the home page?

Ye have a Dublin forum the same way we have a Kerry forum , and I respectfully stay off yer page, but il post on the main page as much as I want kid."
Where did I say that kid ? Wouldn't expect anything else from you kid , your fascination with anything to do with Dublin is so very sad , maybe you need a little help kid .

superbluedub (Dublin) - Posts: 2837 - 11/06/2019 12:31:52    2193443

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Replying To superbluedub:  "Where did I say that kid ? Wouldn't expect anything else from you kid , your fascination with anything to do with Dublin is so very sad , maybe you need a little help kid ."
I don't need help as I know this is the main forum not the Dublin forum don't forget that kid.

KingdomBoy1 (Kerry) - Posts: 14092 - 11/06/2019 12:36:47    2193447

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Replying To KingdomBoy1:  "I don't need help as I know this is the main forum not the Dublin forum don't forget that kid."
Looking at the amount of posts about anything to do with Dublin you put up here , kid in my humble opinion it's obsessive and really sad , it must be eating you up Dublins success , but keep posting away kid , it's an open forum as you say , I never said it wasn't , pleases remember that kid.

superbluedub (Dublin) - Posts: 2837 - 11/06/2019 12:49:38    2193458

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Ahh the Dublin love in continues

jimbodub (Dublin) - Posts: 20600 - 11/06/2019 12:56:45    2193466

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Replying To GeniusGerry:  "@Username haven't seen much of Cian O'Sullivan this year, you've seen him in the flesh a few times so that is fair enough. It is easy to look good this time of year though. I don't know if he is underrated he doesn't have the profile of some of the others but anybody following football probably acknowledges he is the best in his position over the past decade. Do you honestly think McMahon will start later? Looked a liability to me at times last year.

I expect the Dubs to keep rolling and backfilling the panel from their U21 and U20 teams like you say. For all the talk of our minor five in a row Dublin have quietly dominated that grade and are probably in a better position than Kerry in relation to young talent to supplement an already formidable group.

I agree ye are there for the taking but I just don't see who will be good enough when push comes to shove and you are down to the last 15 minutes. I don't think anybody has the bench to actually do it, you'd need to be 7-8 points ahead at that stage to be sure. Dublin peaked a few years ago for me but are still well ahead. Then again, ye will be beaten some day and whenever it happens it will be an upset that nobody will see coming.

Tyrone are the best of the rest for me as well despite last weekend, I doubt MH will be caught like that again."
I'm not sure about seamless replacements. You can't seamlessly replace the Brogans, Connolly and quadruple all-star winner Flynn. Kilkenny has been immense in his work rate but he is not the point taker and incisive passer that Alan was. Howard is perhaps a Flynner in the making but again no real threat to the scoreboard. We don't have another Bernard. Costello could potentially go some way there and Connolly is irreplaceable in my book. So certainly a lot weaker than when we were at the height of our powers and from number 8 back almost the same outfit as 2011.

Joxer (Dublin) - Posts: 4700 - 11/06/2019 13:08:50    2193469

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Replying To GeniusGerry:  "@Username haven't seen much of Cian O'Sullivan this year, you've seen him in the flesh a few times so that is fair enough. It is easy to look good this time of year though. I don't know if he is underrated he doesn't have the profile of some of the others but anybody following football probably acknowledges he is the best in his position over the past decade. Do you honestly think McMahon will start later? Looked a liability to me at times last year.

I expect the Dubs to keep rolling and backfilling the panel from their U21 and U20 teams like you say. For all the talk of our minor five in a row Dublin have quietly dominated that grade and are probably in a better position than Kerry in relation to young talent to supplement an already formidable group.

I agree ye are there for the taking but I just don't see who will be good enough when push comes to shove and you are down to the last 15 minutes. I don't think anybody has the bench to actually do it, you'd need to be 7-8 points ahead at that stage to be sure. Dublin peaked a few years ago for me but are still well ahead. Then again, ye will be beaten some day and whenever it happens it will be an upset that nobody will see coming.

Tyrone are the best of the rest for me as well despite last weekend, I doubt MH will be caught like that again."
Hes looking as strong and healthy as i have seen him in a while to be honest, i would have concerns about him playing so far into the championship with Crokes and the amount of league he has as well, but seems i may have been a bit dramatic.

Hes pushing out a lot and is supporting the midfield flood and doing more offensively. He had a great game at the weekend at full back and who knows maybe he might even end up there, he was taken of early enough mind so i suspect we are watching his load. if you looked us tactically closely on Sun you would notice a tactical innovation of a rotating double sweeper, essentially on the breakdown, the furthest back forward, usually Scully, Kilkenny, Howard went back into provide a double sweeper system, it worked well, whether its something we stick with remains to be seen but its quite innovative.

I think Rory changes the dynamic at the back when he eventually does start hes a rock and really offers security and anchors a defense. I think what he enables would be our corner backs pushing up more. I think Jonny Copper moves back out to the corner when fit and one of Philly and or Murch (serious pace) will go to the other depending on the game. i think Philly has that bit more physical presence to Murch, but Murch is a class man marker. I think Philly could get the nod on experience as jack will be marauding in front of him to. Phillys best years were playing with Rory, 2015 the stand out. he hasnt been as good since. That said i wouldnt write him off, the last couple of years have been difficult for him personally and i wonder is the regression evident attributed to that or a waning. Fitzer is a solid defender, is an option to he never lets us down in the business end, but maybe isnt as expansive as the other two.

I think we have transitioned in plain sight for a while and quietly, i think the real regression will keep in when Jim goes, but hes no fool and signed up for another couple of years so there is still plenty of quality coming through. We dont need the likes of 7-8 players and our spine looks more then good over the long term. i remember around the mid oughties a coach in Maynooth University with links to Dublin GAA told me Dublin would dominate the next decade based on what he was seeing grassroots in Dublin, i laughed at him at the time, seeming so unfeasible, he was right. these things can turn on a sixpence.

I dont know if we peaked or not, id look at 11-15 maybe as one team and 15-19 as a another despite some overlap. I think we played some really imaginative stuff those years, with a different cohort may be more rouge and raw talents a fair way into their careers, like Alan, Bernard, Flynner and MDM and Dermo . I think certainly we played in a different way, Jim knew he was coming into a good thing and like anyone sensible didn't change much and allowed successful lads to express himself. Personally i think he has this vision of hybrid footballers and perhaps with this team he realizing that vision, he has players in the team who can play a minimum 2 different positions a lot can play more. What that gives us tactically is our biggest strength. We can flood any line you want, but also open up when we need too. Its a more controlled and disciplined team and the really are probably less of the cuff and more intelligent as a team. Its hard to know which will end the more successful withe race still running, i think we evolving and developing all the time, for all the success we have a lot of players not at their peak yet.

We can be beaten though, like any team, not an easy feet. we can be caught by a tactical innovation like Tyrone were on Sat and we were in 14. And we play openly enough to give other teams chances so in a shoot out anything can go. i never like looking at the championship as static myself, teams like Tyrone last year and especially young ones can grow in the championship. No big gun has been knocked out yet, so all to play for really. We haven't played our best team yet mind.

Many teams will relish playing us this year, so we are definitely there be shot at and teams have to back themselves, like most years really

TheUsername (Dublin) - Posts: 4445 - 11/06/2019 13:20:44    2193480

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Replying To gallarus14:  "The Dublin posters really do think they run the show on hogan stand kingdom boy1. They have the big numbers on here for sure."
Of course we run the show, sure don't you know who we are? We're the ones going for 5 all Ireland titles in a row, you Kerry boys are also rans, don't forget that now boy! Show some respect to your masters!

DUBJOHN (Dublin) - Posts: 932 - 11/06/2019 13:42:09    2193487

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Replying To jimbodub:  "Ahh the Dublin love in continues"
*grabs popcorn for the show :)

Jackeen (Dublin) - Posts: 4097 - 11/06/2019 15:39:21    2193543

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Listen here boy now that you boys are back from old Trafford you could not even make the hill last Sunday and it on your door step I have met many a good true dub supporters but you jonny come lately atr certainly not that. Ye could not get yere buts out of the pubs a few years ago too make too the hill on time for kick off. Respect has too earned I'm afraid so now boy

traleegerry (Kerry) - Posts: 738 - 11/06/2019 20:03:04    2193666

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Replying To traleegerry:  "Listen here boy now that you boys are back from old Trafford you could not even make the hill last Sunday and it on your door step I have met many a good true dub supporters but you jonny come lately atr certainly not that. Ye could not get yere buts out of the pubs a few years ago too make too the hill on time for kick off. Respect has too earned I'm afraid so now boy"
In time for kick off? Throw-in, surely

ballydalane (Kilkenny) - Posts: 1246 - 11/06/2019 20:32:32    2193674

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Replying To traleegerry:  "Listen here boy now that you boys are back from old Trafford you could not even make the hill last Sunday and it on your door step I have met many a good true dub supporters but you jonny come lately atr certainly not that. Ye could not get yere buts out of the pubs a few years ago too make too the hill on time for kick off. Respect has too earned I'm afraid so now boy"
1. Who are you talking to?
2. English please?
3. Kick off? How embarrassing. Respect indeed.

lilylanger (Kildare) - Posts: 758 - 11/06/2019 21:00:56    2193680

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Replying To ballydalane:  "In time for kick off? Throw-in, surely"
Sure that's them Kerry lads for ya! Now that they're no longer top dog in football they're all soccer mad, they can't get it out of their heads! Kick off indeed, tut! tut! tut!

DUBJOHN (Dublin) - Posts: 932 - 11/06/2019 22:27:32    2193725

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Replying To traleegerry:  "Listen here boy now that you boys are back from old Trafford you could not even make the hill last Sunday and it on your door step I have met many a good true dub supporters but you jonny come lately atr certainly not that. Ye could not get yere buts out of the pubs a few years ago too make too the hill on time for kick off. Respect has too earned I'm afraid so now boy"
That's true Gerry boy, a big day for cluxton who was after playing 95 games out of 100 at home and only about 16,000 Dubs there to show their gratitude to the man.

KingdomBoy1 (Kerry) - Posts: 14092 - 11/06/2019 22:36:49    2193736

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Replying To TheUsername:  "I didnt go in for the first game but the Meath and Laois lads i was talking to after said it as quiet for the first game alright, the second game was different though when the Dubs and Kildare lads joined the party, good atmosphere with a full blue wall in the hill and full compliment of season ticket holders in the Cusack by the look of it.

The attendance yesterday was up 2k on last years double header at the same stage i believe."
Sure half the hill was closed on Sunday!

mayotyroneman (Tyrone) - Posts: 1821 - 11/06/2019 22:37:04    2193737

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Replying To mayotyroneman:  "Sure half the hill was closed on Sunday!"
I think you will find that is the Nally, the Hill was open for business.

TheUsername (Dublin) - Posts: 4445 - 11/06/2019 23:09:50    2193747

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Replying To mayotyroneman:  "Sure half the hill was closed on Sunday!"
If you were to listen to username you'd think there was a full house :-)

KingdomBoy1 (Kerry) - Posts: 14092 - 11/06/2019 23:23:52    2193751

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Replying To mayotyroneman:  "Sure half the hill was closed on Sunday!"
" yea but the other half was jammers "

superbluedub (Dublin) - Posts: 2837 - 11/06/2019 23:30:10    2193753

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Sure half the hill was closed on Sunday!
mayotyroneman (Tyrone) - Posts: 1650 - 11/06/2019 22:37:04


All of Hill 16 was open on Sunday......

MesAmis (Dublin) - Posts: 13718 - 12/06/2019 07:57:00    2193791

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