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Day Out In An Empty Croke Park

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Just over 30 thousand at Croke Park today to witness the two Semi-finals. Probably less than 10 thousand at the first game between Meath and Laois. 10 thousand seats full, 70 thousand empty. The result is a bleak, gloomy atmostphere which certainly hampers the game and is doing us no favours in promoting the game.
The GAA's relentless persistence of playing these games in venues that are too big are driving many of the casuals fans away. Reading the reaction from people who were at the game online only reiterates the point. This idea of teams having 'a day out in croke park' needs to end in my opinion. Play Dublin and Kildare in a venue like Tullamore for example and you'd get a full house with a decent atmostphere. Play Meath and Laois likewise in a smaller venue and you'd have the same.
We are doing ourselves no favours in the promotik of the game, having masses of empty seats on view. Croke park should be only used for games that will attract a crowd that warrants it, i.e 60 thousand. Even All Ireland Semis should be moved out in my opinion. Look back to 2014 with Kerry and Mayo in the semi final. Kieran donaghy recently said it ws one of his favoirite games to play in due to the packed house and the atmosphere.

RealTalk101 (Meath) - Posts: 21 - 09/06/2019 22:53:17    2192498

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In my opinion if two counties have a stadium big enough they should have a home/away agreement except for the Leinster final. So meath and laois when meeting in the semi should be played in either portlaoise or navan. If it has to be neutral Tullamore.

Dublin vs Kildare should have been in portlaoise. The leinster should should be the first match after the league final to be played in Croker.

Jack_Goff (Meath) - Posts: 2920 - 10/06/2019 12:59:59    2192823

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Dead right, croke park is lonesome and soulless on days its half full or less. As mentioned earlier Kerry v Mayo in Limerick had the best atmosphere of a football semi final in recent years.
KIldare and Dublin in a full portlaoise be a far better day for all.
Would the GAA be better off having a few more concerts ?

OpenStand (Limerick) - Posts: 677 - 10/06/2019 14:00:23    2192912

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It's a sign of the times. People are sick of Dublin and they're voting with their feet.

Ten years ago, kildare vs Dublin in the Leinster final drew a crowd of 74, 500. Yesterday, the game got less than half that number. And it wasn't televised.

These sort of stats only point to one thing. Until the elephant in the room is addressed, the game will continue to deteriorate in Leinster.

Ned_Stormcrow (Cavan) - Posts: 1071 - 10/06/2019 14:16:31    2192927

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I didnt go in for the first game but the Meath and Laois lads i was talking to after said it as quiet for the first game alright, the second game was different though when the Dubs and Kildare lads joined the party, good atmosphere with a full blue wall in the hill and full compliment of season ticket holders in the Cusack by the look of it.

The attendance yesterday was up 2k on last years double header at the same stage i believe.

TheUsername (Dublin) - Posts: 4445 - 10/06/2019 14:19:00    2192928

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Replying To TheUsername:  "I didnt go in for the first game but the Meath and Laois lads i was talking to after said it as quiet for the first game alright, the second game was different though when the Dubs and Kildare lads joined the party, good atmosphere with a full blue wall in the hill and full compliment of season ticket holders in the Cusack by the look of it.

The attendance yesterday was up 2k on last years double header at the same stage i believe."
Stop trying to sugarcoat it.. the attendance was shocking and it beggars belief why the GAA open up the stadium. The Dublin public are even bored senseless now with the Leinster championship.

Belclare (Galway) - Posts: 904 - 10/06/2019 14:38:48    2192938

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Replying To Belclare:  "Stop trying to sugarcoat it.. the attendance was shocking and it beggars belief why the GAA open up the stadium. The Dublin public are even bored senseless now with the Leinster championship."
Sugar coat what exactly, 36k for any GAA game is an excellent attendance. In the context of this being a Leinster semi final, that attendance is going to be better then likely the rest of the provincial finals, in the "more competitive" provinces. It's more then who attended the double header last year.

Your not wrong, I knew we would win yesterday, I know we will win Leinster, as a province it's dead, I think all the provinces are to an extent. 36k in that context is better then any other province with a better competitive context. What does that that tell us? Leinster has issues, no doubt, it's a dead championship, it's a forgone conclusion. Yet are still pulling those figures. The rest of the provinces have bigger problems with falling and low attndenaces with a competitive championship.

You can try and frame it, that this is because of Dublin, Dublin only play in one province. You can underline Leinster. Yet provincial games attendances are dipping everywhere. It's a bigger issue then Dublin, Leinster and grounds. Its endemic throughout the game.

The only conclusion i can draw is that provincial championships have had their day, people aren't interested in them anymore.

TheUsername (Dublin) - Posts: 4445 - 10/06/2019 15:02:22    2192961

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Replying To TheUsername:  "Sugar coat what exactly, 36k for any GAA game is an excellent attendance. In the context of this being a Leinster semi final, that attendance is going to be better then likely the rest of the provincial finals, in the "more competitive" provinces. It's more then who attended the double header last year.

Your not wrong, I knew we would win yesterday, I know we will win Leinster, as a province it's dead, I think all the provinces are to an extent. 36k in that context is better then any other province with a better competitive context. What does that that tell us? Leinster has issues, no doubt, it's a dead championship, it's a forgone conclusion. Yet are still pulling those figures. The rest of the provinces have bigger problems with falling and low attndenaces with a competitive championship.

You can try and frame it, that this is because of Dublin, Dublin only play in one province. You can underline Leinster. Yet provincial games attendances are dipping everywhere. It's a bigger issue then Dublin, Leinster and grounds. Its endemic throughout the game.

The only conclusion i can draw is that provincial championships have had their day, people aren't interested in them anymore."
"36k for any GAA game is an excellent attendance. In the context of this being a Leinster semi final, that attendance is going to be better then likely the rest of the provincial finals, in the "more competitive" provinces."


well considering Clones only holds 36k, Pearce holds 26k, and Cork are now a Division 3 team, of course yesterday's attendance (with 4 senior teams playing championship semi-finals) will attract more spectators.

cavanman47 (Cavan) - Posts: 5016 - 10/06/2019 15:10:00    2192966

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Combined Semi Final Crowds

Leinster (36,126)
Dublin/Kildare/Laois/Meath

Ulster (34,771)
Cavan/Armagh/Monaghan/Fermanagh/Donegal/Tyrone

Ulster (29,995)
Cavan/Armagh/Tyrone/Donegal

Connacht (25,833)
Galway/Sligo/Mayo/Roscommon

Munster (8,165)
Cork/Limerick/Clare/Kerry

Even a historically poor Leinster Championship were everyone knows the outcome gets more people at their semi-finals then any other province.

TheUsername (Dublin) - Posts: 4445 - 10/06/2019 15:18:27    2192977

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Replying To TheUsername:  "Combined Semi Final Crowds

Leinster (36,126)
Dublin/Kildare/Laois/Meath

Ulster (34,771)
Cavan/Armagh/Monaghan/Fermanagh/Donegal/Tyrone

Ulster (29,995)
Cavan/Armagh/Tyrone/Donegal

Connacht (25,833)
Galway/Sligo/Mayo/Roscommon

Munster (8,165)
Cork/Limerick/Clare/Kerry

Even a historically poor Leinster Championship were everyone knows the outcome gets more people at their semi-finals then any other province."
How far away does your next door neighbour live? Just curious.

cavanman47 (Cavan) - Posts: 5016 - 10/06/2019 15:22:19    2192981

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Replying To cavanman47:  "How far away does your next door neighbour live? Just curious."
Best of luck in the rest of leaving cert a chara! :D

TheUsername (Dublin) - Posts: 4445 - 10/06/2019 15:32:27    2192989

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Replying To TheUsername:  "Combined Semi Final Crowds

Leinster (36,126)
Dublin/Kildare/Laois/Meath

Ulster (34,771)
Cavan/Armagh/Monaghan/Fermanagh/Donegal/Tyrone

Ulster (29,995)
Cavan/Armagh/Tyrone/Donegal

Connacht (25,833)
Galway/Sligo/Mayo/Roscommon

Munster (8,165)
Cork/Limerick/Clare/Kerry

Even a historically poor Leinster Championship were everyone knows the outcome gets more people at their semi-finals then any other province."
pretty clear the leinster championship is completely dead .... until it begins to hit the $ then things wont change... but that is coming ... flip the funding .... bigger $ to the other 11 leinster counties, stop the financial doping of the Dubs

Jimjo (Cavan) - Posts: 65 - 10/06/2019 15:41:21    2192994

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What a shocker.........not! Football is on it's knees and we all know why. Croke Park have created a monster in blue that is out of control and the Association doesn't know what to do now. It is a forgone conclusion that Dublin will win another All Ireland and the Dub fans and GAA heirarchy will pat each other on the back and tell the rest of us to "Cheer up, isn't Dublin's success just wonderful". Meanwhile the game goes further under and other fans switch off or go to other sports and activities. Croke Park will continue to close it's eyes, stick it's fingers in it's ears shouting la la la.......and when they realise the truth it will be far too late.

Ulsterman (Antrim) - Posts: 9706 - 10/06/2019 16:02:02    2193014

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Going on a tangent here but are attendances up or down in other provinces? Not like there are other sports talking away from GAA crowds at this time of year. Clearly Dublin's football dominance has crowds down for their games, maybe even a few more Dublin supporters will go and see their hurlers tested rather than the footballer at this stage on the year? We've a load more live TV , plus play backs and highlights, than we did when they opened the backdoor in 2001. I think people in 2019 are a bit less inclined to go to games than 18 years ago, just an opinion. We can and do like to give out about the Dubs dominance but I think there's more to falling attendances than their dominance.

GreenandRed (Mayo) - Posts: 7360 - 10/06/2019 16:29:07    2193028

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Replying To TheUsername:  "I didnt go in for the first game but the Meath and Laois lads i was talking to after said it as quiet for the first game alright, the second game was different though when the Dubs and Kildare lads joined the party, good atmosphere with a full blue wall in the hill and full compliment of season ticket holders in the Cusack by the look of it.

The attendance yesterday was up 2k on last years double header at the same stage i believe."
I've been at a lot of dublin games and that atmosphere was terrible. Never heard the hill so quiet. Are a good chunk of dublin season ticket holders just attending to keep their attendance record up to guarantee an all Ireland final ticket?

This year you will hemmer meath and remind us all that your Kildare/meath rivalries won't be returning. You'll probably do the 5 in a row which is keeping Dublin fans hyped. But what then? The hype will drop drastically next year for the 6 in a row. I predict attendances will drop even further.

We can compare attendances to other provinces but look at the population of dublin compared to the counties involved in the other semi finals. 30k Dubs in Croker for a Kildare semi isn't good.

Jack_Goff (Meath) - Posts: 2920 - 10/06/2019 16:46:10    2193045

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Replying To Jack_Goff:  "I've been at a lot of dublin games and that atmosphere was terrible. Never heard the hill so quiet. Are a good chunk of dublin season ticket holders just attending to keep their attendance record up to guarantee an all Ireland final ticket?

This year you will hemmer meath and remind us all that your Kildare/meath rivalries won't be returning. You'll probably do the 5 in a row which is keeping Dublin fans hyped. But what then? The hype will drop drastically next year for the 6 in a row. I predict attendances will drop even further.

We can compare attendances to other provinces but look at the population of dublin compared to the counties involved in the other semi finals. 30k Dubs in Croker for a Kildare semi isn't good."
It was higher than last years attendance

jimbodub (Dublin) - Posts: 20600 - 10/06/2019 16:50:00    2193052

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Replying To jimbodub:  "It was higher than last years attendance"
Context Jimmy boy.

Last year had meath and Kildare replaced by carlow and Longford. It's no wonder it was lower. Considering meath, Dublin and Kildare were in this years the attendance is truly shocking.

Jack_Goff (Meath) - Posts: 2920 - 10/06/2019 17:13:05    2193073

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Meath fans will be out in force soon enough

jimbodub (Dublin) - Posts: 20600 - 10/06/2019 17:19:46    2193079

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Forget about the argumebt that Leinster attendences are up or down or higher then anywhere else. My original point in this post was why do the GAA persist in playing games in an empty croke park? The argument of players wanting to play in croke park is rubbish. Players woukd rather play in a smaller packed out ground and not a ground where they can hear each other shouting on the field

RealTalk101 (Meath) - Posts: 21 - 10/06/2019 17:22:51    2193081

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Replying To Ulsterman:  "What a shocker.........not! Football is on it's knees and we all know why. Croke Park have created a monster in blue that is out of control and the Association doesn't know what to do now. It is a forgone conclusion that Dublin will win another All Ireland and the Dub fans and GAA heirarchy will pat each other on the back and tell the rest of us to "Cheer up, isn't Dublin's success just wonderful". Meanwhile the game goes further under and other fans switch off or go to other sports and activities. Croke Park will continue to close it's eyes, stick it's fingers in it's ears shouting la la la.......and when they realise the truth it will be far too late."
Just to remind you Dr Gloom that of the 6 AIs won by the Dubs since 11, four of them were won by just one point and arguably Mayo should have won two of those matches. In the late 70s and early 80s Kerry were winning AI finals by 17 points. Now that's real dominance on a run to 5 in a row. Dubs have plenty of years on their legs, 8 starters right now, played in 2011 and 3 on the bench played in 2011. Not much in the pipeline either. The blue tide may well be about to turn. What will you ever post about when that happens?

Joxer (Dublin) - Posts: 4700 - 10/06/2019 17:26:24    2193084

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