Splitting Dublin - sensible or crackpot?

Reduce Dublin's funding from provincial status to county status or pour more money into the other counties - sensible or crackpot?

Separate the provincial championships and reconstruct the All-Ireland competition on the basis of equality of opportunity - sensible or crackpot?

It's 17 years since a major Strategic Review Committee (SRC) report, set up by then-president Seán McCague and chaired by former president Peter Quinn, recommended that Dublin have two senior football teams in the championship by 2005. I was living in Dublin at the time. A Dublin newspaper had a map detailing how such a split might look like. Sensible or crackpot?

Please debate discuss and debate respectfully.

Is mise le meas,

The Legend.

legendzxix (Kerry) - Posts: 7847 - 09/06/2019 18:33:25    2192287

When Dublin won their first All Ireland in 16 years in 2011 there was genuine goodwill and congratulations from most GAA people; it was heartfelt and meant. Even winning a few after that didn't cause many ructions but we are now at a point where it is an annual coronation and the Association is so weighted in Dublin's favour that many are simply staying away from games and switching channels to other sports.
Croke Park are so myopic (deliberately?) to what's going on and Dublin have become so indulged and entitled that you now have to worry about the future of Gaelic Games particularly football. It seems that even the Dubs are starting to become bored by the annual procession and this is what will most likely force Dublin into 2 or more likely 4 teams. It will be the need for competition within Dublin AND RTE and SKY and not the opinions of other counties and fans. The Association will only act when the Dubs and broadcasters themselves say change is required and this will be driven by money and boredom. 4 Dublin sides competing against each other is an even bigger money spinner and it will happen sooner rather than later.

Ulsterman (Antrim) - Posts: 9702 - 09/06/2019 20:20:30    2192363

Dublin has long established postcodes that can see city and county postcodes be split into 4 areas. Sensible or crackpot suggestion?

The Dublin entity can be maintained in a revival of the Railway Cup. For the first few years, Dublin can host games against all 4 provinces in Croke Park. Top 2 from round robin group of 5 into the Railway Cup final. Sensible or crackpot suggestion?

Is mise le meas,

The Legend.

legendzxix (Kerry) - Posts: 7847 - 09/06/2019 21:12:17    2192408

superbluedub (Dublin) - Posts: 2837 - 09/06/2019 21:18:15    2192414

I'd love to debate this, but unfortunately for you all it is not going to happen, not now not ever and I would put my house on it. The only way something like it could ever happen would be if you ended the inter-county system altogether and just formed 14 professional teams. But not ever is it going to happen, should it happen just one good reason why a Dub should wear a different shirt and call the team something it is not, just to keep a few begrudging losers from outside the capitol happy!!

arock (Dublin) - Posts: 4896 - 09/06/2019 21:47:26    2192440

We're people looking to divide Kerry footballers or Kilkenny Hurlers when they we're dominating?

Bon (Kildare) - Posts: 1909 - 09/06/2019 21:59:25    2192447

Hard to debate when the person asking the question feels it necessary to call themselves

"The Legend"

At what exactly?

jimbodub (Dublin) - Posts: 20600 - 09/06/2019 22:05:08    2192456

for years i thought it was crackpot but i think it actually may happen, the media will harp on about enough and you could see it done as a team in obyrne cup and league . the way it is its akin to melbourne having 1 afl team , so we probably will see it divided

dickie10 (UK) - Posts: 687 - 09/06/2019 22:11:13    2192459

thelongridge (Offaly) - Posts: 1741 - 09/06/2019 22:20:54    2192466

Dont bother with this Dublin lads. He is only a wum

waynoI (Dublin) - Posts: 13650 - 09/06/2019 22:27:52    2192472

GeniusGerry (Kerry) - Posts: 2105 - 09/06/2019 22:33:10    2192476

Crackpot.

Dubsfan28 (Dublin) - Posts: 2509 - 09/06/2019 22:38:09    2192481

superbluedub (Dublin) - Posts: 2837 - 09/06/2019 22:42:40    2192488

Jack_Goff (Meath) - Posts: 2920 - 09/06/2019 22:46:52    2192493

Crinigan (Meath) - Posts: 1318 - 09/06/2019 22:48:35    2192495

Jack_Goff (Meath) - Posts: 2920 - 09/06/2019 23:07:36    2192508

When Kerry swept all teams aside to claim their 4 in a row and then make it to a 5th final in a row in 82 there wasn't a peep about their annual "coronation" or their stroll to another final. Granted they were masters of a hurling province and, unlike today's competition where a county has to win 8 games or so for a title, one only had to win 3 or 4 games during Kerry's run in the late 70s early 80s. In fact they were so dominant that they trounced the mighty overpopulated capital with all of it's advantages in Croke Park no less by 17 points in 78. A 17 point victory in an AI final in the home of the richest and most populated county. Impossible! The following year they waltzed to another AI title beating the mighty capital by double scores in the final. Was there outrage, calls to split Kerry in 4 because of their dominance, calls to move them out of a hurling province, calls to redesign the competition to make it fairer, calls to amend the rules to dilute Kerry's dominance in some pitch sectors? Eh no. Quite the contrary actually. They were lauded as legends, greats. Their stars got money for media appearances would you believe, they became TV celebs, some got paid to write columns in newspapers, put their names to pubs. Not a voice of disapproval anywhere in the media or amongst their peers. The only charge leveled against them was that of cockiness in the 82 Final. Those were the days, before the begrudgers got oxygen and when legends were just that and lauded as such.

Joxer (Dublin) - Posts: 4700 - 09/06/2019 23:13:28    2192511

shaneShankill (Dublin) - Posts: 42 - 10/06/2019 00:10:43    2192534

I don't for one minute begrudge Dublin their recent success. They have been a brilliant team with great lads playing for them and a great manager in Jim Gavin. Something needs to be done though to keep the game alive for other county's. How must Louth and Kildare football people feel these days? Nobody should be getting hammered out the gate by these margins. If Dublin don't split then maybe others should be allowed to join together? If we are looking back 10 years from now and Dublin have bagged another 5/6 all Ireland's then Leinster football will have suffered greatly as there will be no desire for lads in the other county's there to set themselves up for these kinds of beatings. Not saying Dublin should be split but something does need to be done to help the other county's become more competitive again or else it's gonna end up like the Scottish football league with 1/2 teams winning all the time which is a complete bore fest in fairness. The whole championship structure is a disgrace anyway with the way the provincials are,a group of 9,13,5and 5. If you tried explaining that to somebody from another country they look at you like you're not right in the head. They don't get it at all. It should be 4 groups of 8,seeded by league positions or some fair operating requirements. The structures have been done to death on here but that only highlights how dissatisfied people are with the status quo.

seanie_boy (Tyrone) - Posts: 4235 - 10/06/2019 04:33:35    2192558

"A Legend" at copy and pasting the same message with a slightly different thread title.

So far the same poster wants Dublin to play in the Railway cup, and now wants to see Dublin split in 4 using post codes as a means to separate players and fans, he was demanding that RTÉ should be broadcasting the game as he "paid his tv license" while only the night before was applauding their "shrewd" scheduling decisions for playing less football compared to hurling.

There's certainly a case to describe the above as crack pot.

This topic has already been discussed many times. It's already been debated and posted under various disguises by the same poster.

There's certainly a case to describe the above as unhealthy and obsessive rumination. Crack pot wouldn't be an appropriate descriptive for such.

Do we always need to have the same style of thread after Dublin win a game they are expected to win?

There were quite a few one sided games yesterday without the need for such a style of thread.

The two Leinster finalists beating their opponents by 10+ pts in one sided games

jimbodub (Dublin) - Posts: 20600 - 10/06/2019 08:04:56    2192571