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Dublin posters really showing themselves up on this forum, trying to bully and deflect. Crinigan (Meath) - Posts: 1319 - 07/06/2019 13:56:43 2191449 Link 10 |
I disagree. It never felt the same once the back door was introduced. It completely watered down the importance of each game. Every game was vital. Now it's not. Of course such a circumstance will have a damaging impact when you compare the two scenarios You are undoubtedly blaming everything on Dublin's dominance while completely ignoring other important factors. Dublin won 6 in a row in the 70's, numerous titles in the 80's and 4 in a row in the 90's Even when Dublin were a poor outfit in many areas across the 00's it was still good enough for Pillars team to win consecutive titles in a row. Leinster problems go way back... Dublin have always dominated Leinster. I agree things are poor now but sorry a massive chunk of blame resides in the lack of planning seen in a county like Meath with the heritage it has. jimbodub (Dublin) - Posts: 20600 - 07/06/2019 14:05:02 2191453 Link 4 |
Of course there will be But unfortunately Provisional Championships almost across the board are suffering badly. Numbers are down practically across the board But this is ignored by some. For me the back door has greatly impacted their importance and devalued the competitions4 Do or Die versus Ahhh sure it'll be grand going through the back door. jimbodub (Dublin) - Posts: 20600 - 07/06/2019 14:12:17 2191455 Link 3 |
Of course there will be But unfortunately Provisional Championships almost across the board are suffering badly. Numbers are down practically across the board But this is ignored by some. For me the back door has greatly impacted their importance and devalued the competitions4 Do or Die versus Ahhh sure it'll be grand going through the back door. jimbodub (Dublin) - Posts: 20600 - 07/06/2019 14:12:23 2191456 Link 2 |
Are you saying there is no link between provincial funding for one county board and the gap between the urban fox and the rest?
legendzxix (Kerry) - Posts: 7871 - 07/06/2019 14:16:26 2191457 Link 1 |
It's truly amazing to see the selective ignorance of many Dublin supporters and the GAA hierarchy. SallinsMan (Kildare) - Posts: 77 - 07/06/2019 14:29:52 2191461 Link 6 |
Im not sure its particularly a Leinster problem, the Munster semi finals were very poorly attended and Cork Footballers playing in Pairc Ui Rinn with a 100 mill + stadium lying idle, was really sad to see. 4-5k at the other Semi. May o and Roscommon was great crowd, but i think Galway and Sligo was poor, you can see the common theme. TheUsername (Dublin) - Posts: 4445 - 07/06/2019 14:33:12 2191463 Link 7 |
The only shouting down I can see in the last numbers of posts isn't coming from Dublin fans. jimbodub (Dublin) - Posts: 20600 - 07/06/2019 14:38:52 2191467 Link 3 |
Why are other provincial attendances dropping? jimbodub (Dublin) - Posts: 20600 - 07/06/2019 14:46:22 2191469 Link 3 |
To be fair to Dublin, what are rural county boards doing about it? Donegal had a fair motion for Croke Park not to be used as a home venue during the Super 8s. Rural county boards abandoned their rural brethren in search of financial crumbs from the urban table.
legendzxix (Kerry) - Posts: 7871 - 07/06/2019 14:55:51 2191470 Link 0 |
I hope that you're right TheUsername.
lilywhite1 (Kildare) - Posts: 2991 - 07/06/2019 15:25:30 2191478 Link 1 |
There's a massive sense of apathy in Leinster compared to Connacht and Ulster. Munster is just as much of a cake walk for Kerry as Leinster is for Dublin but nothing seems to be made of it. Newbridge would have sufficed for a Munster football semi-final double header the way it ended up but nobody seems worried about that at all. The issue with this sort of attendance in Leinster is the fact that 30,000 on Sunday would represent a 25% drop from last years semi-finals which featured Carlow and Longford instead of ourselves and Meath, and a 10% decrease from a standalone Dublin - Westmeath game the year before. Hardcore fans will be there, like they will for any game. There'll be a small number who'll refuse to go in protest and I can see where they're coming from, but it's hard to see anyway the Leinster Council can address this trend without something drastic changing. if_in_doubt (Kildare) - Posts: 3685 - 07/06/2019 15:26:17 2191479 Link 0 |
They're part of the problem. Other county boards seem to have no fight or ambition left in them. The wider national press seem to be only happy to go along with the gravy train. A few years ago Kildare GAA secretary, Kathleen O'Neill, had the audacity to suggest that the financial doping that the GAA was administrating to Dublin was counterproductive for the greater good of our games. She was vilified in the media and received no support from anyone in GAA circles. County boards swing between trying to be the good servant that doesn't defy it's master but will kill it's competition as soon as crumbs hit the floor. Look at #NewbridgeOrNowwhere. Look at Donegal CB. They received hardly any support from other county boards. Those that don't like what I'm saying will present it as sour grapes but at some stage the fine wine will run out, the public will have had enough and the GAA will have a shell of a sport left. None of this is the Dublin teams fault, they are only taking advantage and who wouldn't. This is a problem that needs to be addressed from the top and addressed quickly. SallinsMan (Kildare) - Posts: 77 - 07/06/2019 15:33:04 2191483 Link 2 |
The answer to jimbodub (Dublin) - Posts: 20600 - 07/06/2019 15:47:30 2191491 Link 3 |
A dub giving out about the back door is like Marie Antoinette offering the poor some cake... It's pretty simple to understand if you remove yourself from the Dublin bubble. There are 2 major factors effecting attendances - A player drain - Simply put the quality of players has dropped in recent years. There is far too many of our most talented footballers not on their respective county panels because the incentive just isn't there. The commitment needed now is simply not in line with the potential rewards. Some may say that this was always an issue but the more professional the preparation gets (and Dublin have lead the way in this regard) the more unlikely it is that smaller or weaker counties can to compete. There has never been a smaller number of counties capable of competing with the big boys. There are also many more options and distractions for 18 to 24 year old's in today's Ireland. The depopulation of much of Ireland also plays it's part. If the quality of the games isn't there, neither will the fans...simple. Public Apathy - Again, simply put, fans do not support corrupt competitions or forgone conclusions. Especially when it comes to putting hands in pockets and paying for the privilege to see it all play out! Take for instance a family of 4 (2 adults and 2 kids of 12 and 10) going to the match in Dublin from Newbridge this weekend. It will cost €170 just for public transport and match tickets. And for what? To see a Dublin team with all the advantages hammer a Kildare team? The back door for us mere mortal counties who have had to use it is the only way to offer a county like Kildare / Meath / Laois a chance to make any success or progress from this summer. SallinsMan (Kildare) - Posts: 77 - 07/06/2019 15:52:35 2191493 Link 3 |
Kildare clubs got together to sack K McG Do you think that was a good idea considering what happened to Kildare after that? Do you think that set back Kildare? How come you lost against Wicklow and Carlow this decade? jimbodub (Dublin) - Posts: 20600 - 07/06/2019 16:17:10 2191496 Link 3 |
And according to the Leinster Chairman it's because of 'Kildare's demise' that its going be empty !! We've never been successful to have a demise ! Reached last years Super 8s beating an All-Ireland Finialist on route, then pushing Galway, Monaghan in the knockout stage was hardly a shocking season last year.. Leinster council have no interest in any county apart from Dublin.. But they won't blame themselves anyway, no problem few years ago to send us and Meath down to Tullamore for a semi-final so Dublin could have Croker to themselves for a double-header.. county-minor (Kildare) - Posts: 8 - 07/06/2019 16:59:16 2191501 Link 0 |
It was actually in Kieran McGeeney's first season in charge that we lost to Wicklow in 2008.
lilywhite1 (Kildare) - Posts: 2991 - 07/06/2019 17:01:38 2191502 Link 1 |
I think we sometimes look back on the Leinster Championship with a bit of a golden eye thinking its always been really competitive when that hasnt been the case at all. In all honesty winning a Leinster Champinonship for Kildare, Laois or Westmeath has been an exceptional year, if Dublin dont win a Leinster title its been an awful year. Dublin have been the strongest county in Leinster since its inception. Meath are second of course. Kildare only have 13 leinster titles. Meath 21. The dominance just didnt start in 2011. Both have far less then Dublin in fact less then Dublin combined historically. The reality unfortunately is that no team bar Meath, in Leinster has competed at the top table of GAA to be a consistent threat historically. There has been no super powers who have gone away. Add that history to this being the best Dublin of all time and in with a fair shout of being the greatest football team of all time and its not hard to work out the logical outcome. In actual reality if all counties in Leinster were playing in a different province you wouldn't be putting hard money down on them to be winning provincial titles, given their historic and current status. I symaptise, with a low attendance and lack of interest and i understand it. i can understand counties not want to be witnessing a hammering and i can sypathise with Dubs who dont want to watch a lower standard of football and team and entertainment then they are likely to see in the latter part of the championship. Simply put there is very little to entice a market either for Kildare supporters or Dublin ones. Its very simple in my opinion, if you are selling entertainment, excitement and competitiveness, then customers want to be entertained, excited and competition. Bar watching a great team play some good stuff, we wont see that on Sunday. The provincials for me are just a waiting around game, like the O Byrne Cup, waiting for the league start. Hopefully Kildare can prove me wrong on Sunday and to be fair to them they were excellent in the Leinster final a few years ago, but even then it was 9 point victory. I was at that game and there was about 55k there, i was at the Kildare and Armagh game a week later and if there was 4k at the game id be surprised, Kildare can bring a great crowd when there is hope, when there is none the support seems to evaporate, im not sure that has much to do with Dublin. If these wrongly pitched games in terms of standard continue to be played the more they happen the more meaningless they become and no good for anyone. Ill get no excitement if we put up a double digit score on Sun, ill just be checking out how young lads do and having a few pints. But i do think making arguments about dominance, being new thing is just not dealing correctly with history and reality. TheUsername (Dublin) - Posts: 4445 - 07/06/2019 17:03:47 2191503 Link 4 |
The Donegal motion to stop Croke Park being used as a home venue in the Super 8 was labelled as mean spirited by Dublin GAA. Donegal responded saying they do not expect two home games in Ballybofey and where there is unfairness, congress should act. Rural county boards want the crumbs from the urban table. People are voting with their feet. legendzxix (Kerry) - Posts: 7871 - 07/06/2019 17:15:00 2191506 Link 0 |