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Replying To cavanman47: "I was hoping someone would put a rational theory forward as to why he should be considered the greatest. And now you have. Thank God for that." They're driving us towards a totalitarian state here on HoganStand cavanman47 :-)
KingdomBoy1 (Kerry) - Posts: 14092 - 07/06/2019 23:52:22
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Replying To jimbodub: "Yet you have 3 Kerry men on top of the green thumbs list by a considerable distance
???" And i bet a few top on the red thumbs bottom of the list wherever this list is -)
KY4SAM2015 (Kerry) - Posts: 898 - 08/06/2019 00:10:58
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Clinton was and still is class. But there's only one Eugene Lavin.
GreenandRed (Mayo) - Posts: 7373 - 08/06/2019 00:33:41
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Replying To jimbodub: "Yet you have 3 Kerry men on top of the green thumbs list by a considerable distance
???" That's because there are only a few Kerry posters. Like an election the Dubs run hundreds of candidates across the Hogan Stand forum and the likes get spread across all posters.
Perhaps we need some sort of 'division' among Dublin posters where when the higher liked posters reach a quota they are eliminated, no longer allowed be liked or disliked, and their likes distributed to lower liked Dubs :) :)
BliainanÁir (Laois) - Posts: 598 - 08/06/2019 16:35:59
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Replying To Jackeen: "I'm not the OP you posed the question to. I told you why I red thumbed you. No biggie. When certain posters make up new accounts its fairly obvious and one can almost guess who you are:)" Why replay then?
You also didn't answer my question as to what someone with a new accouunt has to do with anything?
oneoff (UK) - Posts: 1380 - 08/06/2019 20:25:26
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Replying To oneoff: "Why replay then?
You also didn't answer my question as to what someone with a new accouunt has to do with anything?" Jesus wept.....you asked why you got red thumbed. I replied telling you why I red thumbed you. When someone who already has an account on hoganstand sets up another account just for the purpose of stirring its quite obvious. That's why I red thumbed.
Jackeen (Dublin) - Posts: 4097 - 08/06/2019 20:38:57
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Replying To TheUsername: "Ah I wasn't having a go a chara, nor having a go at O Keefe or proclaiming Cluxton the greatest, I'm not top of the pops down the South West at the mo! ;)
Just that stat caught my eye and my thinking just spiraled, you know I enjoy your posts and you can tell I read thouraghly the fact I picked up on it.
Greatness is an interesting concept but a subjective one. It might mean medals won, it might be longevity, it might mean adversity it's a very individual thing. But I'd be a big advocate of having the courage of your own opinion and conviction around it.
Stephen could win his 7th this year and that wouldn't mean he is great in my eyes. Why I think he is great is he emerged from 30 and more men, in the last minutes of All Ireland final, having never won an All Ireland, playing for a county that hadn't won one in 16 years, playing a team they hadn't beaten in the championship for decades, who were debatably one of the best teams of that era. You either stand up and be great or you fail. It takes greatness to execute that skill, under huge pressure as any player never mind a keeper. I consider Joe Canning a great player, he missed the carbon copy of that free in the hurling final last year. Cilian O Connor has done it a few times. Great players produce the greatest moments on the greatest occasions.
He's gone since we know to do so much more, but that marked him for me. Of course there are other great keepers, I think Beggen has taken it on a bit he's mastered Cluxtons skill but has added distance and power. But will probably never win the All Ireland no offense. Brody is excellent to.
Historically and this won't be popular amount my county men, I didn't really rate Paddy Cullen a good shot stopper on occasion, but was always shaky for me, right place at the right time. John O Leary was a good keeper, for me he regressed as he got older and stayed on to try and live the dream for to long. Don't get me wrong I've huge respect for both, but both were no where near Cluxtons class or diverse skill set, something he's worked hard on. I rate young Comerford coming through highly, I think we will have a very skillful almost like for like replacement Stephen, something he will grow into and when he gets his fling we will need to be patient. If we do one thing we'll its longevity of keepers.
Ha funny you should say Top 10 guitarists I went to see Mark Knoffner a few weeks back, he was at his peak before my time. But wow that man can make a guitar sing, I've seen some great ones live but he's hard bet.
You going to make Croker at the weekend a Chara?" Knoffner is a very underrated guitarist, and has written some cracking songs, Id say he puts on a good show.
Yes I am going but Im not sure what is really going to happen. Play like we did v Donegal in Ballybofey and Armagh in Navan we will win. Play like we did v Offaly in Navan we will lose. Laois are real tricky opposition. We have only won 1 of our last 5 matchs with laois. They have some real good players like O loughlin, Begley, Carroll and of course the excellent Kingston. And they will be really up for this. Its a 50 50 game. Some have said to me that Laois lack pace. So manybe McEntee, McMahon and Sullivan and G Reilly and Conlon ( from the bench) can expose that. I just dont know. I still think it is going to be so hard for up and coming team like Meath to peak in one year , look how badly the last 4 teams who were promoted from div 2 did in the following championship eg Cavan and Roscommon in 2018, and kildare and Galway in 2017. But at times this year Meath have looked really good. When you see Donegal v Tyrone and then you look at Meaths both good performances v Donegal, hopefully that is a good sign. Meath are going in the right direction, and Vinny Murphy said he think it will year or two before Meath really make a real impact, he could be right, But if we win today and reach our first leinster final in 5 years and win our first game in Croker in 5 years it would seem we are really improving well. But we will see. Today was always going to be a very tough game for Meath, laois are always tough opposition when they are going well.
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The more I think about this the more I feel personally I haven't given Stephen enough credit due to tetchyness with posters.
Congratulations Stephen on 100 games for the Sky Blues, your skills, temperament and modesty, plus doing the nation a service in clocking a certain soccer player :)
Best wishes for the rest of your career.
BliainanÁir (Laois) - Posts: 598 - 09/06/2019 13:26:50
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Replying To Furlong1949: "Knoffner is a very underrated guitarist, and has written some cracking songs, Id say he puts on a good show.
Yes I am going but Im not sure what is really going to happen. Play like we did v Donegal in Ballybofey and Armagh in Navan we will win. Play like we did v Offaly in Navan we will lose. Laois are real tricky opposition. We have only won 1 of our last 5 matchs with laois. They have some real good players like O loughlin, Begley, Carroll and of course the excellent Kingston. And they will be really up for this. Its a 50 50 game. Some have said to me that Laois lack pace. So manybe McEntee, McMahon and Sullivan and G Reilly and Conlon ( from the bench) can expose that. I just dont know. I still think it is going to be so hard for up and coming team like Meath to peak in one year , look how badly the last 4 teams who were promoted from div 2 did in the following championship eg Cavan and Roscommon in 2018, and kildare and Galway in 2017. But at times this year Meath have looked really good. When you see Donegal v Tyrone and then you look at Meaths both good performances v Donegal, hopefully that is a good sign. Meath are going in the right direction, and Vinny Murphy said he think it will year or two before Meath really make a real impact, he could be right, But if we win today and reach our first leinster final in 5 years and win our first game in Croker in 5 years it would seem we are really improving well. But we will see. Today was always going to be a very tough game for Meath, laois are always tough opposition when they are going well." I presume this is Mark Knopfler lead guitarist with Dire Straits. Watch the video for Alchemy Live to see his real genius at work. Not only a great guitarist but a fantastic lyricist too. Not a big fan of his solo work but he was dynamite with Dire Straits.
Joxer (Dublin) - Posts: 4700 - 09/06/2019 13:42:39
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Replying To Joxer: "I presume this is Mark Knopfler lead guitarist with Dire Straits. Watch the video for Alchemy Live to see his real genius at work. Not only a great guitarist but a fantastic lyricist too. Not a big fan of his solo work but he was dynamite with Dire Straits." Yeah but would he be able to kick the winning point like Clucko did in the dying minutes of an all Ireland final! Lol!
DUBJOHN (Dublin) - Posts: 932 - 09/06/2019 14:24:33
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Replying To Furlong1949: "Knoffner is a very underrated guitarist, and has written some cracking songs, Id say he puts on a good show.
Yes I am going but Im not sure what is really going to happen. Play like we did v Donegal in Ballybofey and Armagh in Navan we will win. Play like we did v Offaly in Navan we will lose. Laois are real tricky opposition. We have only won 1 of our last 5 matchs with laois. They have some real good players like O loughlin, Begley, Carroll and of course the excellent Kingston. And they will be really up for this. Its a 50 50 game. Some have said to me that Laois lack pace. So manybe McEntee, McMahon and Sullivan and G Reilly and Conlon ( from the bench) can expose that. I just dont know. I still think it is going to be so hard for up and coming team like Meath to peak in one year , look how badly the last 4 teams who were promoted from div 2 did in the following championship eg Cavan and Roscommon in 2018, and kildare and Galway in 2017. But at times this year Meath have looked really good. When you see Donegal v Tyrone and then you look at Meaths both good performances v Donegal, hopefully that is a good sign. Meath are going in the right direction, and Vinny Murphy said he think it will year or two before Meath really make a real impact, he could be right, But if we win today and reach our first leinster final in 5 years and win our first game in Croker in 5 years it would seem we are really improving well. But we will see. Today was always going to be a very tough game for Meath, laois are always tough opposition when they are going well." An underrated guitarist?
Hardly , he's well know and revered as a guitarist. Himself and the late Chet Atkins done an album which would demonstrate how good both men were with the instrument.
Anyway, It's a different type of artistry we'll be hoping for this afternoon.
Laois will put it up to Meath but will fall short by about 5-6 points in the finish.
catch22 (USA) - Posts: 2148 - 09/06/2019 14:27:36
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Replying To Jackeen: "Jesus wept.....you asked why you got red thumbed. I replied telling you why I red thumbed you. When someone who already has an account on hoganstand sets up another account just for the purpose of stirring its quite obvious. That's why I red thumbed." So now you are answering the question? Make up your mind!
Again as i said i posted why i have a new account but it wasn't put up. The give you the short version is was because of posters like yourself and many others who are on this very topic!
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Replying To oneoff: "So now you are answering the question? Make up your mind!
Again as i said i posted why i have a new account but it wasn't put up. The give you the short version is was because of posters like yourself and many others who are on this very topic!" The feeling is entirely mutual.
Jackeen (Dublin) - Posts: 4097 - 09/06/2019 21:09:33
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Replying To Jackeen: "The feeling is entirely mutual." So now you're saying you're setting up other accounts?
oneoff (UK) - Posts: 1380 - 10/06/2019 15:02:04
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Cluxton put in an excellent shift yesterday in the shot stopping department
Fine photo of his save on Hoganstand news page
Clean sheet #51
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Replying To jimbodub: "#30" And counting, that's like 6 All Ireland's in old money.
TheUsername (Dublin) - Posts: 4445 - 10/06/2019 20:40:22
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Replying To TheUsername: "And counting, that's like 6 All Ireland's in old money." 12 if you're from Kerry
jimbodub (Dublin) - Posts: 20601 - 10/06/2019 20:43:09
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Replying To jimbodub: "#30" Is that how many millions it costs to win 5 in a row jim ?
KingdomBoy1 (Kerry) - Posts: 14092 - 11/06/2019 01:23:06
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Its seems there was a video montage of Cluxton before the game on Sunday.
What are the thoughts on that? I do believe there is a case to mark a milestone like this and celebrate the career of one of the greatest and most successful footballers of all time. However, I would say its not very appropriate to do it in the manner it was done i.e., a 4-5 min video at Croke Park before a Leinster SF. Its probably something that could have been arranged by Dublin GAA differently?
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