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Question for you Bliain, would you like Cluxton to be the Laois gk or you happy with who you have?
DUBJOHN (Dublin) - Posts: 932 - 06/06/2019 10:47:11 2191111 Link 0 |
Excellent post furlong .you did some mighty research there. Personally though and this is only my opinion I'd have Charlie and Murph a bit higher up the list, Charlie's career includes minor U21 and senior medals and club not to mention leagues as well. Murph played for 6 years , got to 6 finals in a row winning 4 and won 3 league titles and 4 Munster medals. Special mention as well for Johnny Cullothy from Killarney legion who won 5 allirelands as goalie. KingdomBoy1 (Kerry) - Posts: 14092 - 06/06/2019 11:04:43 2191120 Link 0 |
If you had your way you would have all the first 5 Kerry and not a Dub in the top 20
witnof (Dublin) - Posts: 1604 - 06/06/2019 12:08:32 2191140 Link 1 |
That's not true, If I was to pick my all time 15 i would have Ciaran Duff in my 15 all day long. Ciaran Whellan was a brilliant footballer as well. 2 hard nuts for any team to try and crack. KingdomBoy1 (Kerry) - Posts: 14092 - 06/06/2019 13:25:53 2191156 Link 0 |
It's an unbelievable achievement Jackeen he's a credit to the game and to Dublin I hope he knows how much he's loved by all Dubs and respected. If anything good comes from it it's that Dan O Keefe from the 40's is better ha. I promise this is my last post on this. clondalkindub (Dublin) - Posts: 9926 - 06/06/2019 13:41:09 2191159 Link 6 |
So when looking for the greatest keeper of all time we should only look at keepers from the last 19 years? Football had been played for the last 134 years it didn't just start in 2011 and I'm sure lads back in the early days gave the sport as much effort as possible back then as the lads do now and deserve to be considered. KingdomBoy1 (Kerry) - Posts: 14092 - 06/06/2019 14:19:53 2191173 Link 0 |
The mark of a truly great player is to be loved and admired by their own county and to be begrudged and villifed elsewhere, they bring pain everywhere except their own home. Id be worried, if everyone was sending warm and fuzzies our direction. Its ultimately unimportant, hes the biggest fish is the biggest pond and he wont ever have to argue about his greatness or buy a pint for that matter. ;) TheUsername (Dublin) - Posts: 4445 - 06/06/2019 14:25:56 2191177 Link 8 |
Dan O'Keeffe had to.put his cigarette out when the they came under attack, which was rare enough. realdub (Dublin) - Posts: 8597 - 06/06/2019 15:23:43 2191193 Link 5 |
Thanks for the comments Kingdomboy1and Juicy above. Kingdomboy1 looking at the list again you could bump Charlie Nelligan up a few places. Probably have him scored a bit low. His achievements particularly winning 3 under 21 All Irelands in a row as a goalie is extraordinary. I think I have Charlie placed to low. Its hard to judge. I think u can move many of players around on the list but I do think if you have a list of the best goalkeeper's ever you have to have Billy Morgan and Martin Furlong on the list. The only goalkeepers who have ever won Footballer of the Year awards. Johnny Geraghty has to be one greatest goalkeeper's ever , to win 3 All Irelands in a row and not concede a goal in the 3 years in the championship as goalkeeper will we ever see something like that again. The other change you could make is swap Cluxton with Dan O Keefe. And if you say Cluxton is the greatest goalkeeper ever you have a very strong case. But he does have competition for that place. Dan O Keefe was the Stephen Cluxton of his day. I just put Dan O Keefe ahead because of his selection on team of the century and team of the Milleniun. But it was a close call. And u could easily put Cluxton number 1. Its just my list. Its not a definate list. To be fair to Cluxton if there was a team of Milleniun revisted this year he is the only player from this decade that would walk onto the team. Even tough Colm Cooper would be in running for corner forward position. The same way Henry Shefflin would be only hurler from this decade to get on the hurling team. Tommy Walsh would be considered but I think Brian Whelehan would be still be considered best number 5 of all.time. Its hard to pick. If u asked who was best goalkeeper's I ever saw it was John O Leary. And I think O leary was a better all round goalkeeper then Cluxton. But Cluxton would have to be considered greater in the way Cluxton changed the face of goalkeeping. But O leary was so consistent , rarely made a mistake and he was under pressure from the first round of leinster championship and it was a time when goalkeeper's received no protection from referees and high ball. and balls where being landed in the goalmouth and O Leary had to deal with Bomber liston and Colm O Rourke charging in. For me O leary was the best goalkeeper I ever saw. But u still would have to have Johnny Geraghty ahead of him as well as Dan O Keefe in that they changed. and impacted on goalkeeping so much. And of course Cluxton also has had such an impact. And if Dublin win 5 in row , Cluxtons reputation will only grow in the coming decades as a five in row winning captain who captain 5 years in a row wins in every year that will mean his reputation and standing will grow and grow in the coming years. But we must also mention the Johnny Geraghtys , the Dan O Keefes , the Paddy Cullens , the Billy Morgans and the Martin Furlongs also. Football has a long tradition of great players and when we look at greats we just dont consider modern players. In soccer Pele is still considered best soccer player ever even though there is very little. footage of him playing when he was a club player in Brazil in 60s. Smokey Robinson is pound for pound greatest boxer of all.time. Yet his last fight was in the 50s. Nobody would place Anthony Joshua ahead of Mohammad Ali. And in America Babe Ruth is still considered greatest baseball player of all.time even though his heyday was in 1920s and he was in todays world technically obese. We need to honour the greats of todays . And Cluxton is definitely one of the greats of today and one of the greatest of all time. And we must also remember the greats of yesterday. Who is the greatest is always a great debate in every sport. It can hard to compare players from different eras. But greatness is always obvious. For us who love gaelic football the greatness of Sean Purcell Jack O Se Kevin Higgins Sean O Neill and Stephen Cluxton will be talked about for generations more. Its only right we remember the greats from today and yesteryear. Furlong1949 (Meath) - Posts: 1067 - 06/06/2019 15:38:51 2191200 Link 6 |
60 inter county appearances in 14 years, that works out about 4.2 appearances a year, jeepers thats a short run and jump to be winning 7 All Irelands for Mr O Keefe. TheUsername (Dublin) - Posts: 4445 - 06/06/2019 16:39:50 2191216 Link 5 |
100 in 20 seasons is an average of 5 per season. .hardly a world of difference to 4.2
cavanman47 (Cavan) - Posts: 5021 - 06/06/2019 16:58:57 2191218 Link 1 |
I would have a bee in my bonnet if he was from another county. And said poster is basically shoving it in our face. Playing the victim card that everyone is against the Dubs etc.
BliainanÁir (Laois) - Posts: 598 - 06/06/2019 17:13:10 2191222 Link 1 |
'Just leave it at that'. Basically there's no right to reply to posters in your book? 'Leave it at that' let's end discussion because someone is a contrary voice? Also if I was just anti Dub i wouldn't make statements like Brian Fenton is on his way to being the best midfielder i've ever seen. BliainanÁir (Laois) - Posts: 598 - 06/06/2019 17:15:40 2191224 Link 0 |
Much happier with Graham Brody. Cluxton will be retired in a year or 2, Brody is 24/25 and as good. Bar a slip up in the div 3 league final :) Infact he probably should have won an all star. Nominated last year. Excellent kickouts, better at saving than Cluxton by a long way. By the way you phrased your post it seems like you never heard of the Laois goalie! BliainanÁir (Laois) - Posts: 598 - 06/06/2019 17:18:49 2191227 Link 0 |
Ok Cluxton has 9 games. This year. But at least 4 maybe 5 will be uncompetitive games. Dublin before super 8 would have played 6 games to win Sam. The leinster q final leinster semi final and leinster final were uncompetitive games for last 5 years that Dublin won in second gear by an average of 15 points a game. They were challenge games at best. Cluxton could have played leinster championship blindfolded for last 5 years after he did every kickout , put on a blindfold and Dublin still would have won by 10 points. The last 5 years has been the most uncompetitive leinster championship in 140 years. We have never seen anything like the uncompetitiveness in leinster as we have seen in the last few years. Dublin have not faced consitent div 1 opposition in leinster in 17 years. At the end of 90s there was 4 top division 1 teams in leinster. For most of this decade in leinster , most team in leinster have been in div 3 and div 4. So for most seasons Cluxton has had 3 competitive games a year. The same number O Keefe wud have had in 30s and 40s. This year more then likely Cluxton will have maybe 4 competitive games. He might play 5. But already his team won with their first game , for most of the game with 14 men by 20 plus points. Yes Cluxton might play more games in 1 season then O Keefe. But in terms of competitive games he probaly played the exact number O Keefe did in 1 season. Prior to Super 8 the quater finals in last 5 years , has been at best challenge games for Dublin. Dublin dont have to break a sweat til August evety year. 3 or 4 games every year in leinster for Dublin have been a joke. So its not comparable to say O Keefe had only 3 games a year when Cluxton only has really 3 games a year that are actual games in terms of competitiveness . The leinster q final semi final and final every year in the last 5 years have been consistently the most uncompetitive championships in gaa history. Kerry always had Cork. Cork in every year up to recently Cork for 80 years in every year where in the top 5 or 6 teams in the country. Dublin have not faced a top 5 or 6 team in the country in leinster since 2001 , 18 years ago. Yes it is hard to compare. But what we can say a goalkeeper on team of the century, on the team of Milleniun, played til he was 41 at intercounty. Was the first player ever to win 7 All Irelands. Holds the record for most Munster titles eg 13 titles. Playing inter county for 17 years. And was the first truly great gaa goalkeeper of and also revolutionised goalkeeping in his era. U have to consider O Keefe when ur talking about the greatest ever. Pele played in the Brazil league in 1960s , little tv footage. How competitive or good was Brazil league in 1960s. How good really was Pele. We have seen every single second of Messis career. A poll recently a masive worldwide poll asked who was the greatest soccer player ever. The landslide winner was not Messi it was Pele. Greatest can be measured in many ways. Percentages can show many things. But greatness is remebered and measured in many ways. In any sort of anaylsis when you talk about the greateat goalkeeper ever of course Stephen Cluxton has to be considered. But u must also consider Dan O keefe. His record and achievements deserve to be considered and mentioned also. Furlong1949 (Meath) - Posts: 1067 - 06/06/2019 17:24:34 2191229 Link 5 |
Its 100 Championship appearances for Cluxton (excluding league) as opposed to 60 intercouny appearances for Mr O Keefe. At least that how i read, apologies if thats wrong or Furlong meant Championship as opposed to Intercounty appearances. TheUsername (Dublin) - Posts: 4445 - 06/06/2019 17:42:04 2191235 Link 5 |
Good keeper is Brody.
TheUsername (Dublin) - Posts: 4445 - 06/06/2019 17:44:39 2191237 Link 4 |
Oh I've heard of him alright just couldn't remember if he was still playing or not and therein i rest my case, everyone knows Cluxton!
DUBJOHN (Dublin) - Posts: 932 - 06/06/2019 18:44:24 2191249 Link 1 |
Stephen Cluxton! Rory Beggan will tell you who he is, sure Rory modelled his game on Clucko as did many other keepers!
DUBJOHN (Dublin) - Posts: 932 - 06/06/2019 18:47:23 2191251 Link 2 |
Exactly cavanman47, and I can gaurentee you that at least 50 of Mr O'keeffes games were played away from home .
KingdomBoy1 (Kerry) - Posts: 14092 - 06/06/2019 19:01:45 2191257 Link 1 |