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Replying To KingdomBoy1:  "So you think there has been no goal keeper in the 134 year history of the GAA to compare with cluxton ? Man you need to get out more.

John O'Leary Paddy Cullen ? Charlie Nelligan pascal McConnell Diarmuid Murphy .

I gaurentee you if you try to match cluxtons stats to Diarmuid Murphys stats they'll only be one winner and that Diarmuid Murphy.

Murphy played in goals for Kerry for 6 years getting to 6 allireland finals winning 4, also won 3 national leagues titles 4 Munster titles and 3 allstars.

All that in 6 years at intercounty football.

There is more to goal keeping than kicking out the football."
I suppose it's a bit like comparing Giggs to Christiano Ronaldo in terms of their time at Man U. . .

Ronaldo was phenomenal but was only there for 5 years or so.
Giggs was very good, never at Ronaldo's level, but was there for 20+ years.

Plenty are, and have been, better than Cluxton, but he has been part of a competitive, and now very successful, Dublin team for nearly 2 decades.

cavanman47 (Cavan) - Posts: 5020 - 04/06/2019 16:59:32    2190571

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No
One has been better than Cluxton the greatest keeper by a country mile it's not even close.

clondalkindub (Dublin) - Posts: 9926 - 04/06/2019 17:48:46    2190586

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Im around a long time and ive seen some great keepers. Couldn't say Cluxton was any better or worse than them but his kicking ability and his influence on the game in general is unrivalled. He definitely has an aura about him. But by jesus hell be too busy taking the ball out of his own net next sunday to worry about being the best.

lilypad (Kildare) - Posts: 1363 - 04/06/2019 18:43:02    2190611

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Replying To KingdomBoy1:  "So you think there has been no goal keeper in the 134 year history of the GAA to compare with cluxton ? Man you need to get out more.

John O'Leary Paddy Cullen ? Charlie Nelligan pascal McConnell Diarmuid Murphy .

I gaurentee you if you try to match cluxtons stats to Diarmuid Murphys stats they'll only be one winner and that Diarmuid Murphy.

Murphy played in goals for Kerry for 6 years getting to 6 allireland finals winning 4, also won 3 national leagues titles 4 Munster titles and 3 allstars.

All that in 6 years at intercounty football.

There is more to goal keeping than kicking out the football."
Whatever about the other 3 you mention but for you to talk about pascal McConnell and Diarmuid Murphy in the same breath as Clucko i think really exposes you as someone who hasn't a clue what he's talking about, and by the way im old enough to have seen those 3 lads when they were at the top of their game but none of them come anywhere close to Cluxton as i said earlier the problem you have with Cluxton as you have with all Dublin players is that they've sent your lot packing and you know deep down that Kerry will never dominate football the way they did in most parts of the 70s and 80s, the days of you strutting along and playing 3 or 4 games to win an all Ireland with little opposition because you played in hurling province are gone and you know Dublin won't be going any time soon!

DUBJOHN (Dublin) - Posts: 932 - 04/06/2019 18:44:21    2190612

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Replying To jimbodub:  "Cluxton would hate this thread"
I doubt he'd have time to be reading anything on HS anyway Jimbo id say he's too busy polishing all the silverware accumulated over the last few years!

DUBJOHN (Dublin) - Posts: 932 - 04/06/2019 18:49:33    2190616

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Replying To clondalkindub:  "No
One has been better than Cluxton the greatest keeper by a country mile it's not even close."
Charlie Nelligan 15 years as an intercounty goal keeper, seven senior allirelands 9 Munster titles 3 national league titles 2 allstars and a club allireland title as well.

KingdomBoy1 (Kerry) - Posts: 14092 - 04/06/2019 19:11:55    2190619

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Replying To DUBJOHN:  "I doubt he'd have time to be reading anything on HS anyway Jimbo id say he's too busy polishing all the silverware accumulated over the last few years!"
He be better off practicing under a high ball or a bit of shot stopping, you know goal keeping stuff.

KingdomBoy1 (Kerry) - Posts: 14092 - 04/06/2019 19:21:40    2190621

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Replying To lilypad:  "Im around a long time and ive seen some great keepers. Couldn't say Cluxton was any better or worse than them but his kicking ability and his influence on the game in general is unrivalled. He definitely has an aura about him. But by jesus hell be too busy taking the ball out of his own net next sunday to worry about being the best."
Hup the Lillies!!!

lilylanger (Kildare) - Posts: 758 - 04/06/2019 19:22:02    2190622

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Replying To KingdomBoy1:  "He be better off practicing under a high ball or a bit of shot stopping, you know goal keeping stuff."
He's time enough doing that after the August Bank Holiday weekend!

DUBJOHN (Dublin) - Posts: 932 - 04/06/2019 19:58:29    2190631

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Replying To DUBJOHN:  "He's time enough doing that after the August Bank Holiday weekend!"
Is it true that jim Gavin and cluxton are walking away from intercounty football once they do the 5 in September?

KingdomBoy1 (Kerry) - Posts: 14092 - 04/06/2019 21:47:31    2190673

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Great longevity Stephen Cluxton

David (Meath) - Posts: 567 - 04/06/2019 22:14:52    2190683

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Replying To clondalkindub:  "No
One has been better than Cluxton the greatest keeper by a country mile it's not even close."
Martin Furlong was a far better keeper.

BliainanÁir (Laois) - Posts: 598 - 04/06/2019 22:32:54    2190694

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The football forum is dominated by Dubs with clicky fingers on the like button. Even here there sheer weight of numbers are giving them a huge advantage.

They hunt in packs, chasing down anyone who goes against the group think that 'Clucko' is the greatest.

Revolutionising kickouts does not the greatest footballer make. Stick him centre forward, in his prime, like the Gooch v Dublin in 2013 and see how orchestrates the attack. Put him midfield and see how many high balls he'll field.

He has a limited repoittre of skills. They involve kicking a dead ball off the ground. A very admirable skill but hardly an all rounder. And of course longevity. Shur that's par for the course with goalkeepers.

Nah the love in ain't for me.

BliainanÁir (Laois) - Posts: 598 - 04/06/2019 22:42:12    2190700

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He is a goalie. Why would you stick him in centre forward. How good would Cooper be as a goalie? Silly comparison. Agree about the love in however.

Jackeen (Dublin) - Posts: 4097 - 04/06/2019 23:12:25    2190709

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Replying To Jackeen:  "He is a goalie. Why would you stick him in centre forward. How good would Cooper be as a goalie? Silly comparison. Agree about the love in however."
Ok pick someone like Marc O'Se etc give them a shot in all positions you'd soon see who the better all round player would be. Give them marks out of 10 for every position.

A goalie can't be the GOAT as you need a limited amount of skills compared to other positions on the field like a midfielder like Anthony Tohill. He could kick frees, catch high ball, distribute from the hand, take on players with skill and power and i'm sure if he had to drop into goal he could do a decent job. Now Cluxton can save shots, take frees, distribute off the ground.. less of an all round skill set. He definitely is poor in the air.

BliainanÁir (Laois) - Posts: 598 - 05/06/2019 08:59:20    2190740

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Longevity doesn't have a whole lot to do with being the greatest. Once you reach 10-12 years that should suffice if you were in consistently excellent form.

Was Stanley Matthews the greatest ever soccer player because he played until he was 52 at a high level?

BliainanÁir (Laois) - Posts: 598 - 05/06/2019 09:02:05    2190742

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Replying To BliainanÁir:  "The football forum is dominated by Dubs with clicky fingers on the like button. Even here there sheer weight of numbers are giving them a huge advantage.

They hunt in packs, chasing down anyone who goes against the group think that 'Clucko' is the greatest.

Revolutionising kickouts does not the greatest footballer make. Stick him centre forward, in his prime, like the Gooch v Dublin in 2013 and see how orchestrates the attack. Put him midfield and see how many high balls he'll field.

He has a limited repoittre of skills. They involve kicking a dead ball off the ground. A very admirable skill but hardly an all rounder. And of course longevity. Shur that's par for the course with goalkeepers.

Nah the love in ain't for me."
What a ridiculous comparison to make! Goalkeeper is the most scrutinised position on the field, bar none. Any error is magnified ten fold to an error elsewhere on the pitch. If a forward misses a high catch, a pick up, gives a misplaced place then he receives nowhere near the criticism the GK gets because more than likely the keeper will have cost his team a score. Concentration, awareness of what's around you, execution of kick outs, game management.. the list goes on of things that a keeper must be top class at and Cluxton has them all. Your comparison is nonsense, sure I wonder would Virgil Van Dijk cut it at no.9 and bang in the goals like Salah? Of course he wouldn't but then again I suppose he has a limited repertoire of skills. I mean he only has to clear the ball and make a few tackles ;)

TrueBlue35 (Dublin) - Posts: 206 - 05/06/2019 09:03:45    2190744

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Replying To TrueBlue35:  "What a ridiculous comparison to make! Goalkeeper is the most scrutinised position on the field, bar none. Any error is magnified ten fold to an error elsewhere on the pitch. If a forward misses a high catch, a pick up, gives a misplaced place then he receives nowhere near the criticism the GK gets because more than likely the keeper will have cost his team a score. Concentration, awareness of what's around you, execution of kick outs, game management.. the list goes on of things that a keeper must be top class at and Cluxton has them all. Your comparison is nonsense, sure I wonder would Virgil Van Dijk cut it at no.9 and bang in the goals like Salah? Of course he wouldn't but then again I suppose he has a limited repertoire of skills. I mean he only has to clear the ball and make a few tackles ;)"
Overall skill levels.

Paulo Maldini may be the greatest ever defender but can he do things with a ball that both Ronaldos, Messi, Maradona could. They all have great concentration levels, game management etc.

Same with Cluxton. He may be one of the best in his position but the GOAT. Lol! He even has trouble with some of the bread and butter aspects of his position.

BliainanÁir (Laois) - Posts: 598 - 05/06/2019 09:33:22    2190750

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Replying To BliainanÁir:  "Ok pick someone like Marc O'Se etc give them a shot in all positions you'd soon see who the better all round player would be. Give them marks out of 10 for every position.

A goalie can't be the GOAT as you need a limited amount of skills compared to other positions on the field like a midfielder like Anthony Tohill. He could kick frees, catch high ball, distribute from the hand, take on players with skill and power and i'm sure if he had to drop into goal he could do a decent job. Now Cluxton can save shots, take frees, distribute off the ground.. less of an all round skill set. He definitely is poor in the air."
My understanding from the OP is that he thought he was the GOAT goalie? Not player. And surely that's subjective.

Jackeen (Dublin) - Posts: 4097 - 05/06/2019 09:37:28    2190753

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Replying To Jackeen:  "My understanding from the OP is that he thought he was the GOAT goalie? Not player. And surely that's subjective."
I don't even care if they think he's the best or not (we all know he is it's not even close)but to not all come on and say "wow what an achievement to be the first player to make a 100 even if I don't agree with you calling him the Goat"


But no jealously and hatred for all things Dublin is as strong as ever.

clondalkindub (Dublin) - Posts: 9926 - 05/06/2019 10:19:32    2190766

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